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Unpopular opinion: GPU shortage is actually a good time

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This isn't a troll thread, but for real not everything is bad during GPU shortage. There are some great things about it:
1) It's the best time to appreciate low end hardware
2) It forces people to know which settings to adjust in order to get a better experience
3) It forces people to be more creative, when it comes to graphics card buying
4) It's the best time to revisit classic PC games
5) It's a good time to just appreciate what you already have
6) It certainly helps to reduce conspicuous consumerism
7) If GPU shortage lasts a long time, then PC game makers will be forced to make games that run on lower end specs and that's good news for low end gamers (also FSR)

Frankly those threads about "oh no, RTX 3080 isn't available" are getting annoying. And to be honest, I never liked high end hardware. This GPU shortage just uncovered how much snobbism there is and it seems that most people that are into PC gaming aren't in PC gaming at all, but instead are just into buying high end shit and anything that isn't running at Ultra settings at 4K and at least 60 fps is literally unplayable to them. Thankfully, these times are doing a good job of getting rid of such people. And that said, in long term PC gaming may get cheaper and more accessible, that is if GPU shortage lasts long enough and instead of going bankrupt, game makers will make games that run on lower end hardware.
 
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That is a very positive outlook for a situation most people find frustrating. You must be a glass half full person which great! :laugh:
 
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I agree with each of your observations. Perhaps the glass is truly half full....:).

Best,

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I still think it will speed development of video cards; miners will drive computational power.
 
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That's pretty much my thoughts on the situation as well.
I'm still taking advantage of whatever's left of this mining boom. Sold my 2060S, bought 3060, sold it and got a few 1070Ti's for my small mining rig.
My outlook on this situation, is for the past few months I'm getting paid for self-education and honing my skills in spider solitaire. Less distractions from work, more time to do stuff at home etc. Also managed to beef-up my rig to a proper workstation level. Between videocards I was rocking a hefty "special edition" GT730 with a physical PCIe x1 slot, and AFAIK it did not interrupt my workflow a single bit. The only cons are 30FPS on my 4K monitor and no 4K Youtube, but that's not really a big deal.
 
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I see your point and it's valued points. But it doesn't change my feeling about it. I really hate this shortage, I had been looking for quite a lot to get RTX 3080 OR 3080 TI. To finnally experience a 144 Hz monitor (comming from a 10 year old 1080P 60 Hz monitor) and above 120 fps gaming after so many have talked about it and told me about how great it is. I get a 27" 1440P 144 Hz monitor and a great new system based on Zen 3 5600X and 5950X cpu. To only get gtx 1660 super as the best gpu available and still not capable of trying it out for real cause I can't get my hands on a proper gpu for it.

So even though it's annoying here others complaining about it. I do also hope you understand why some people are utter disappointed about the whole situation right now like me.
 
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The high prices is going to push people to consoles eventually, PC gaming will decline, supply will become saturated, prices will plummet. I will buy up stock at a fraction of the MSRP

A guy can dream can't he?
 
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I'll agree with you, but only because I managed to get my 5950X and my 3090 at MSRP. :laugh:

Nah, i'll be honest with you. What bothers me the most about the current situation is any unforeseen hardware failures. Ouch. It's gonna sting, with RX 570-4GB's fetching the same price the RTX 3060 Ti launched for in my country. I could always survive with what I had before, but yep... may the computer gods help us all and ensure our rigs have a very healthy life this generation.
You also forgot to mention that it's an amazing time to pay some mind to those components we usually gloss over as "good enough", like the monitor, keeb, mouse, and even the chair :toast:
 
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I still think it will speed development of video cards; miners will drive computational power.

More money = more R&D resources. Once the supply issue is solved it can only be a positive IMO.
 
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Well I don't like this current situation but as a budget-at most mid range user I can relate tho those points.

I did want to upgrade earlier this year but nothing ground breaking or fancy, just my usual performance uplift I do every ~3 years.
In this case I was planning to upgrade my RX 570 4GB to a RX 5600 XT/5700 or a RTX 2060 maybe Super before the prices went up and to be honest I was also fine with the borrowed 1660 Super I tried.

Didn't happen cause I was too late 'had no spare/saved up money before the prices went up' so I missed my chance.

That being said I'm still gaming alright/daily basis on my 570 just gotta mind the settings in new games but that I'm used to anyway since I never used/bought high end hardware.
There are few selected new games that I rather not play like this but eh there are more than enough older games in my backlog that runs with no issues even on higher/max settings + I don't care about high FPS/refresh gaming either.

In reality I can still find myself enough games to last me a year or two if not more, especially since Lost Ark is finally coming to NA/EU and I might give MMO gaming a last chance. 'tried the Russian version for a month and I liked it'

I still do hope that this situation will go away sooner or later cause yea if my 570 dies on me I will have to buy something and the second hand market prices aint funny where I live.
 

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think its garbage. It sounds like you're happy people that can afford high end hardware can't get it, because you can't afford it, bringing them down to your level, rather than you aspiring to do better and you're using a whole load of specious reasoning to justify it. There's a world of difference between them and I know, because I've had both.
 
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Everyone likes a glass half full-type person, but there's really gotta be a limit to what constitutes a "good time" like come on :laugh: are we gonna start picking positives out of SARS and coronaviruses and calling it a good time because people started working from home?

I can only appreciate those points because I bought a 2060 Super to replace my 1070 in Oct 2019. People told me I was wasting my money on a dead generation, people told me I replaced a card that didn't need replacing, people laughed at 2080 Ti owners for wasting their money......those same people aren't laughing anymore. I sold my 1070 to my friend for a reasonable price by pre-pandemic standards, and now we both have a good 1440p GPU.

I think my 4650G mini SFF HTPC is great, so great that I'll probably move to a 5600G in a month and a half. Take away my 2060 Super and that opinion will change real fast when all of a sudden about 2 of the 10 or so games remain playable, even on a heavily OC'd Vega 7 with 4200CL16.

And that said, in long term PC gaming may get cheaper and more accessible, that is if GPU shortage lasts long enough and instead of going bankrupt, game makers will make games that run on lower end hardware.

Yeah you see, now you're just dreaming. The Xbox and PS5 exist, Apple will continue pushing GPU efficiency and power, and GPU performance doesn't just stop for want of supply. If you think future AAA titles along the lines of Halo Infinite / next COD / BF2042 are going down in hardware requirements just because "gamers" can't buy graphics cards, you're in for a very, very nasty surprise.
 
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To only get gtx 1660 super as the best gpu available and still not capable of trying it out for real cause I can't get my hands on a proper gpu for it.
There's tons of cool older games that will satisfy your 1440p 144Hz display. Borderlands was easy enough for my old GTX950 2GB to run @1440p and playable 60-ish FPS with some setting tweaks. 4K also worked, but with dips to 30. Same for the good-ole Rage. Bioshock Infinite will do as well, or some indie shooters like QCDE or Amid Evil. Source engine games, Arkham series, Anything with DLSS, lots of MOBA/MMO-related titles etc. etc. etc. Hell, Spider Solitaire probably looks wa-a-a-y cooler at 144Hz :D
 
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There's tons of cool older games that will satisfy your 1440p 144Hz display. Borderlands was easy enough for my old GTX950 2GB to run @1440p and playable 60-ish FPS with some setting tweaks. 4K also worked, but with dips to 30. Same for the good-ole Rage. Bioshock Infinite will do as well, or some indie shooters like QCDE or Amid Evil. Source engine games, Arkham series, Anything with DLSS, lots of MOBA/MMO-related titles etc. etc. etc. Hell, Spider Solitaire probably looks wa-a-a-y cooler at 144Hz :D
Problem is just that It's not old games I want to play now on a completely new system. I want new games. All ready waiting for Far cry 6 and Dying Light 2 and the new Forza Horizon 5. Just to name a few.

Old games was fine with X58, but I have something new now. I also want to play the new stuff. No my gpu needs will not be satisfied before I have a proper gpu capable of running newest games at ultra And high fps at 1440P. Until then I will be unsatisfied.
 
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there are loads of games on my backlog that gtx 1070 can run just fine still, so im fine.

that being said... if I made more money than I do, I wouldn't mind having an elite system all the time. its fine either way. it all just depends how you look at it and your current situation in life.

shortage won't last forever.
 
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there are loads of games on my backlog that gtx 1070 can run just fine still, so im fine.

that being said... if I made more money than I do, I wouldn't mind having an elite system all the time. its fine either way. it all just depends how you look at it and your current situation in life.

shortage won't last forever.

Sry for the off just curious.
I take it you managed to sell your AMD system? The one with 5600X and the 6800 if I recall.

But yea 1070 is still more than capable of running bunch of good games. :)
 
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That is a very positive outlook for a situation most people find frustrating. You must be a glass half full person which great! :laugh:
Oh, that's totally not true. However, I always notice that I'm oddly positive during bad times and oddly negative during good times.

Before my current setup I used to own AMD FX 6300 and AMD RX 560 4GB. It was a good combo back then and it could run games really well. That RX 560 could run GTA 5 at 1440p medium-high settings with maxed out textures, CoD WW2 at 1440p, low settings + 2xAA + maxed out textures and mostly 50 fps. Most people dismissed RX 560 as sub 1080p card and yet that wasn't my experience at all. I got it in 2018, but soon it became clear that it wasn't going to cut it anymore. Once Far Cry 5 came out, it couldn't really do any adequate fps at 1080p and it was usable only at 1600x900 or less. It was a shame, because for me RX 560 defined Polaris. It was phenomenally cool card, that consumed around 40 watts (because I got a rarer version without 6 pin connector) and it could play games at 1440p and it was really cheap. It was a great card while it lasted, but when it ran out of steam I got RX 580. Of course it gets good fps at anything and runs games at 1440p without any problems, but imo my specific model (Powercolor Red Dragon V2) runs hot and loud and it was so stupidly loud that I could barely hear games over fan noise. I pretty much hated it since the day I bought it. It didn't help it any that it also consumes a lot of power. It basically delivers 2.5 times better performance, but at like 6 times the power consumption, when compared to RX 560. It really is a stupid card and I wish that I got some GTX 1060 6GB model instead of this.

And then once I bought a new motherboard, RAM and CPU I wanted to put the whole system together and accident happened. I pushed CPU cooler too strongly and not only that bent motherboard pins, but some of them fell off. And I couldn't go back to FX 6300 as for some reason motherboard was no longer stable and it was very picky with RAM until it eventually stopped booting at all. So during the worst of lockdowns, I started to use my "retro" gaming computer as my main computer and it had Athlon X4 870K, 8GB DDR3, GTX 650 Ti, 1TB HDD and Windows 7. It absolutely had to work, because I was relying on it to complete my university work, but when I didn't work, I played games and it turned out to be oddly capable machine. It could run GTA 4 at 1440p well, it ran Test Drive Unlimited at 1440p Ultra and got over 60 fps, Test Drive Unlimited 2 at 1440p Ultra, CoD 2 at 1440p Ultra, Colin McRae Rally 2005 at 1920x1440 Ultra, Victoria 2 at 1440p Ultra, SimCity (2013) at 1440p Ultra, UT 2004 at 1920x1440p Ultra, Monopoly Plus at 1440p Ultra, CS:GO 1440p High. It maybe even played FEAR at 1440p Ultra. I really didn't expect 650 Ti to run TDU2 at 1440p and Ultra settings, but it did and ran at over 60 fps. Seriously, that 650 Ti was surprisingly good at what I used it for. And the most surprising thing out of all is that that system could run GTA 5 at 1080p Normal and get 40-50 fps, also run Doom 4 at 1024x768 low and sort of run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 640x480 low with some nV control panel tweaks. And yet that machine was never supposed to do so much. Knowing that GT 1030 GDDR5 runs GTA 5 at 1080 high settings and it gets 50-60 fps, buying and using something like that wouldn't be all that bad. It likely still runs all games, just at low settings and some lower resolution. It never really was out of stock in most of this world. If it's really faster than 650 Ti, then I'm 100% sure that during lockdown you could have had a decent gaming experience in older games and often good enough experience in new games. In my region, it was the fastest card that was still at acceptable price and mostly available (although at one point people got so desperate, that they bought out all GT 1030s, GT 730s and even GT 710s, strangely enough even GeForce 210 sold quite well. There was even a local short shortage of Quadros and Radeon Pros). Right now even RX 550 4GB is somewhat available and 190 Euros. It's over MSRP, but still quite sanely priced card and it's faster than GT 1030. If there was another lockdown and that's all you could afford for entertainment, it really wouldn't be all that bad. And if you stick to older or low spec friendly games like Overwatch, Valorant or Genshin Impact, it will be totally fine. I assume that in US, it was possible to get RX 560 or even GTX 1050 and in used market I saw some RX 570s at under 200 Euros. If you needed a card that could get you by during GPU apocalypse, there were some good options and most of that camping near Microcenter drama was utterly useless. At less than ideal settings, those cards can run any game at acceptable fps.

And now that my main computer is fixed, I can now suffer in RX 580 again. The stupid thing is that with wattage reduced by 35% it's cool and quiet. I tried to mess with vBIOS and permanently lock it at that, but after a month I started to get some random black lines on screen and once I lost video output at all and also fan behaviour was odd and broken. The main fault of my work was that I have no idea what is the real difference between TDP, small power limit and maximum power limit. I probably set one of them too low and once GPU core is loaded, there may not be enough power budget left for RAMDAC and fans, explaining their not so good behaviour. It's a bit hard to explain it that way as those faults mostly happened when computer was idling, although once that happened during a mild load.

Despite RX 580 being an awful card, I will wait until those times, when it won't be able to play games at 1080p low and maybe then I will think of upgrading it. Current hardware lasts quite a while, so there's no need to upgrade it often. RX 580 still runs most titles at 1080p high and 50-70 fps. It will probably take 5 years for RX 580 to become truly obsolete and FSR just made made it last quite a bit longer.

Everyone likes a glass half full-type person, but there's really gotta be a limit to what constitutes a "good time" like come on :laugh: are we gonna start picking positives out of SARS and coronaviruses and calling it a good time because people started working from home?
Most people didn't get C19 and about 50% of people actually preferred working from home, rather than in physical workplace. Due to special conditions I found time to spend about 1 hour outdoors and enjoy thick snow without seeing another almost any people during any day of the weak in middle of the city. That wasn't so bad at all and I sometimes walked for 3 hours and managed to reach some places on foot that I have never walked to. I also started growing small ginger root at home and managed to get Emerald badge at WCG's Open Pandemics project. I personally had a great time during lockdown. My relatives had either neutral or slightly negative experience. Some people certainly didn't like lockdowns, but some people loved them. It's complicated and depending on your specific conditions, it could have turned out well or awfully.


Yeah you see, now you're just dreaming. The Xbox and PS5 exist, Apple will continue pushing GPU efficiency and power, and GPU performance doesn't just stop for want of supply. If you think future AAA titles along the lines of Halo Infinite / next COD / BF2042 are going down in hardware requirements just because "gamers" can't buy graphics cards, you're in for a very, very nasty surprise.
Eh, who knows. I don't really expect that, but it would be rather logical step. And during GPU shortage sure those things exist, but you also have same limited supply issue and currently a pricing issue too. Obviously those AAA titles won't have any lower spec friendly settings as game development takes years and there's a lot of planning ahead and making some deals ahead of time. Pretty much everything about them is already pre-planned, so GPU shortage would need to be truly long and likely even more severe for games to become lower spec friendly. But who knows, maybe some devs will manage to make something easier to run on lower end hardware. Indie devs are more likely to react to such things, if their game development time is quite short.
 
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Despite RX 580 being an awful card, I will wait until those times, when it won't be able to play games at 1080p low and maybe then I will think of upgrading it.

Hardly an awful card......when my main rig is down for whatever reason, I'd love to have RX580/GTX1060-level performance in a 75W low profile card.

If you had a regular 10400 and had to make do with UHD 630, I'm sure you would have a very different opinion lol.

Eh, who knows. I don't really expect that, but it would be rather logical step. And during GPU shortage sure those things exist, but you also have same limited supply issue and currently a pricing issue too. Obviously those AAA titles won't have any lower spec friendly settings as game development takes years and there's a lot of planning ahead and making some deals ahead of time. Pretty much everything about them is already pre-planned, so GPU shortage would need to be truly long and likely even more severe for games to become lower spec friendly. But who knows, maybe some devs will manage to make something easier to run on lower end hardware. Indie devs are more likely to react to such things, if their game development time is quite short.

Indie games are always going to be simpler, smaller, less demanding. That has nothing to do with the GPU shortage.

Most people didn't get C19 and about 50% of people actually preferred working from home, rather than in physical workplace. Due to special conditions I found time to spend about 1 hour outdoors and enjoy thick snow without seeing another almost any people during any day of the weak in middle of the city. That wasn't so bad at all and I sometimes walked for 3 hours and managed to reach some places on foot that I have never walked to. I also started growing small ginger root at home and managed to get Emerald badge at WCG's Open Pandemics project. I personally had a great time during lockdown. My relatives had either neutral or slightly negative experience. Some people certainly didn't like lockdowns, but some people loved them. It's complicated and depending on your specific conditions, it could have turned out well or awfully.

Happy to hear that you were able to find new experiences and enjoyment in the pandemic, it for sure ain't easy. Unfortunately, not everyone had that sort of experience.

I have a less well-off friend who had the misfortune of finally pulling the trigger on getting into PC gaming, on the eve of the GPU shortage. Man's stuck with a physically questionable GTX 650 Ti - if it kicks the bucket, the entire PC is unusable, because he's on a second-hand X99 that he got for cheap. He doesn't have the resources to get a scalper card or a scalped 2nd hand card, and doesn't have the money to buy/resell an OEM PC for the GPU. His line of work also doesn't afford him the opportunity to work from home, or have time to go out and explore, or honestly other hobbies of any kind. In light of current financial pressures and stresses from other life events for him, gaming is proving quite a bit more important than just a privileged side hobby that he should put down in favour of going outside for a walk.

By the time I knew of his intentions, I had already sold the 1070 to my other friend. Had I known, I would've told had him get a 1660 Super (available at the time) so the 1070 could go to someone who actually really needs it.
 
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Hi,
I'd add more worth wild hobbies in the same price range
I can buy a freaking little car for 2k.us same price as a 3090 lol
 

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I had the money to buy the 5700XT I wanted but I thought "well they're most likely going to release the 6700 so I'll wait for that." this was just after the 6900 and 6800 were just released and I had no idea it would be this way. I am sad
 

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I always skip generations anyway. I think for people that generally bulk build machines like myself all at once instead of throwing parts at it every 6 months are less affected than others.

I feel for people who wanted or needed to upgrade this gen, but TBH the shortage doesnt affect me at all.
 
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I sort of have always not minded when hardware stagnates, secretly.

It means less upgrading. Yes there are drawbacks but it helps at Christmas time to know my rig is still good... lol.

The last time I remember thinking this was when Intel was dominating the CPU market, and my X58 was holding up way too well for what I could justify to upgrade. But still.

I mean, I probably have no room to talk being I actually finally got an Ampere at msrp, but yeah, I did anyways lol.
 
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I got my RTX 3080 FE at MSRP.

The problem with this half glass full theory, at least in the UK many sold their old cards seeing the inflated market, thinking it wouldnt be too hard to get a new one and now have rigs with no GPU in.

I didnt sell my old GPU until I managed to get my 3080.
 
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I always skip generations anyway. I think for people that generally bulk build machines like myself all at once instead of throwing parts at it every 6 months are less affected than others.

I feel for people who wanted or needed to upgrade this gen, but TBH the shortage doesnt affect me at all.
Hi,
I skipped 20 series it was tough but makes skipping 30 easier for sure
I picked up a evga b stock 980ti for 150.us just before all this nonsense hit wish I would of got two or three lol
 
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If I was able to get a hold of low-end cards, then I would agree. But seeing as I am generally unable to get anything other than an occasional GT730, I do not agree.

Even using older low end hardware is generally fine, my sister have a 1050Ti in her computer, as I have in my laptop as well, and its does just fine for my gaming needs really. I very much prefer the RTX3070 in my desktop but I dont need it to enjoy my games. I can enjoy games all the way down to 30fps without concern. I would however enjoy them a lot more at 120fps for that extra smoothness.

But as it is now, I had to try and find a GPU for computers in which the GPU had died, and I just can't. There arn't any, of any kind. And I am not paying twice the old new price for a 5 year old used GTX 960.
So instead one has to sit there and spam f5 for days on end to find anything and I do not see that as a positive experience at all because it doesn't lead me to appreciate low end hardware, it leads to me no hardware at all
 
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