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Unpopular opinion: GPU shortage is actually a good time

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Mods do. They are pretty strict about intended topic even if you are OP. Just sayin'
It seems like a pointless rule to me. FI everyone is fine with that, what's the point of enforcing strict adherence to topic?
 
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So you weren't really able to boot at 1.35V, it clearly didn't work correctly. And it seems that your memory can't properly handle those timings and speed without overvolting it a lot. 1.2 volts is standard for DDR4 and some modules can do 3200MHz with that. Yours clearly fails and requires a massive overvolt. I remember 1.65V being quite high for DDR3, meanwhile 1.5V was standard and there were some low power DIMM doing 1.3V stock. 0.2V increase for DDR4 is a lot.
I was able to boot at 1.35V. It just acted weird.
When it did boot, it passed memtest86 fine. Bumping it up to 1.4V solved the every-other-boot problem since I like not having to hit the Reset button every time I restart.
Here's my timings:
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Remember, this is a mixed kit on a B350 board, I'm running a CR of 1T, and my sticks are older (2x 2017, 2x 2019).
Here's what CPU-Z reports for SPD:
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Noticing a theme with the voltage?
1.35V, 1.35V, 1.35V, 1.35V, on all sticks. Adding 0.05V fixed my stability problems, since I increased the frequency by 66 MHz or 133 MT/s and tightened the timings.
It sure does create some noise, there's no such thing as noiseless fan.
It definitely creates noise, but I can't hear it, thus no noise penalty. Noiseless =/= noise penalty.
Fans are only for memory overclocking.
And that's exactly what this is. Memory overclocking.
Does it provide any performance improvement over the XMP profile of C16-18-18-36? Probably not. Maybe it will help very slightly in memory-intensive workloads but I don't think any of the programs I run are.
Do I care though? No. I got it to go faster with no penalties to my system. Maybe I could get it to 3400 with an IMC voltage to 1.125 from 1.1 (stock XMP settings), since it POSTed twice at 1.35V RAM 1.1V IMC. Perhaps I'll do that tomorrow.
 
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I was able to boot at 1.35V. It just acted weird.
When it did boot, it passed memtest86 fine. Bumping it up to 1.4V solved the every-other-boot problem since I like not having to hit the Reset button every time I restart.
Here's my timings:
View attachment 207086
Remember, this is a mixed kit on a B350 board, I'm running a CR of 1T, and my sticks are older (2x 2017, 2x 2019).
Here's what CPU-Z reports for SPD:View attachment 207087
Noticing a theme with the voltage?
1.35V, 1.35V, 1.35V, 1.35V, on all sticks. Adding 0.05V fixed my stability problems, since I increased the frequency by 66 MHz or 133 MT/s and tightened the timings.
So in other words it wasn't stable at 1.35V, which is already a lot more than stock 1.2V. I have used memtest86 myself before and it's a joke. It never detects clearly barely functional memory or very unstable memory. Don't use it for stability testing.

Does it provide any performance improvement over the XMP profile of C16-18-18-36? Probably not. Maybe it will help very slightly in memory-intensive workloads but I don't think any of the programs I run are.
Do I care though? No. I got it to go faster with no penalties to my system. Maybe I could get it to 3400 with an IMC voltage to 1.125 from 1.1 (stock XMP settings), since it POSTed twice at 1.35V RAM 1.1V IMC. Perhaps I'll do that tomorrow.
Whatever floats your boat, pretty much anything beyond XMP is essentially useless and XMP itself is barely useful in terms of performance gains.
 
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Updates at caseking:
3060's are down to around €640
Single 3060 Ti LHR SKU for €770
3070's Ties are down to €888 for the cheapest model in stock (and that is FTW3 from EVGA, so not exactly entry level)
3070's LHR are within the €850-930 range, regular models are €1100+
3080's LHR are nowhere to be seen (except for one model for €1200), regular are priced at €1500+
3080 Ties start at €1660

Looks like Nvidia is trying to make the most out of the situation by flooding the AIB's with chips for 3070 Ties and 3080s Ties.

On AMD front:
6700 XT goes for a minimum of €780
6800 - €1100
6800 XT - €1190

6900s and 3090s are in their own league with prices in the range of €1600-2500 and €2000-2700, respectively.
 
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Updates at caseking:
3060's are down to around €640
Single 3060 Ti LHR SKU for €770
3070's Ties are down to €888 for the cheapest model in stock (and that is FTW3 from EVGA, so not exactly entry level)
3070's LHR are within the €850-930 range, regular models are €1100+
3080's LHR are nowhere to be seen (except for one model for €1200), regular are priced at €1500+
3080 Ties start at €1660

Looks like Nvidia is trying to make the most out of the situation by flooding the AIB's with chips for 3070 Ties and 3080s Ties.

On AMD front:
6700 XT goes for a minimum of €780
6800 - €1100
6800 XT - €1190

6900s and 3090s are in their own league with prices in the range of €1600-2500 and €2000-2700, respectively.
That stuff is expensive. The real good thing is that lower end hardware is now back to normal:
GT 1030 GDDR5 - 97.63
RX 550 2GB - 95.97
GTX 1650 GDDR5 - 193.85
GTX 1650 Super - 202.79

Now it's finally possible to get a decently performing card at close to reasonable price. Particularly 1650 Super is a great deal.
 
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The best graphics in the world will not make a shit game design any more fun to play.
Meanwhile, some of the best games I've ever played aren't graphically intensive.
 

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That stuff is expensive. The real good thing is that lower end hardware is now back to normal:
GT 1030 GDDR5 - 97.63
RX 550 2GB - 95.97
GTX 1650 GDDR5 - 193.85
GTX 1650 Super - 202.79

Now it's finally possible to get a decently performing card at close to reasonable price. Particularly 1650 Super is a great deal.
1650s can run Forza 4 at 80fps with ultra settings. Considering that someone with 200 budget will most likely have a max 1080 monitor:


Don't feel burned that you can't get a better card, couple your purchase with this Xbox controller for PC
 
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That stuff is expensive. The real good thing is that lower end hardware is now back to normal:
GT 1030 GDDR5 - 97.63
RX 550 2GB - 95.97
GTX 1650 GDDR5 - 193.85
GTX 1650 Super - 202.79

Now it's finally possible to get a decently performing card at close to reasonable price. Particularly 1650 Super is a great deal.
€95.97 is not the "normal" price for the RX 550 2GB. This was US$65 a year ago when I purchased one.

This isn't really a gamer's card, it was the entry-level card in the RX 500 series when it introduced over four years ago (April 2017). The RX 550 is essentially just a cheap card for CPUs that don't have integrated graphics. The 2GB VRAM doesn't provide much headroom for gaming. The realistic value of the RX 550 2GB is $50-55 in 2021 (the launch price was $79). Here in the USA, it is still going for nearly 4x what it was last year before the price gouging started. That's nuts.

The RX 550 isn't sufficient for decent gaming with even five-year old games. If the game is about 8-10+ years old, it'll suffice for 1080p gaming. Trust me, I play plenty of old games.

I don't anticipate US GPU prices to reach a "normal" level until 2023.
 
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€95.97 is not the "normal" price for the RX 550 2GB. This was US$65 a year ago when I purchased one.
It's pretty normal, that's for how much it always went here in EU.


This isn't really a gamer's card, it was the entry-level card in the RX 500 series when it introduced over four years ago (April 2017). The RX 550 is essentially just a cheap card for CPUs that don't have integrated graphics. The 2GB VRAM doesn't provide much headroom for gaming.
I don't see any reason why it's not a proper card. It's a little bit downspecced RX 560, which I used in 2018 to play latest AAA games at 1440p and often medium-high settings and got 40-50 fps, sometimes more. Obviously it can't run Cyberpunk at either that resolution or framerate, but the most important thing is that at least it can likely do that at 720p. If person just wants something to have that plays quite a bit of games it's not a bad card. It should run pretty much every AAA game from 5 years ago at 1080p or higher. It certainly isn't futureproof, but it doesn't need to be. It only has to meet a modest criteria and it does that just fine.


The realistic value of the RX 550 2GB is $50-55 in 2021 (the launch price was $79). Here in the USA, it is still going for nearly 4x what it was last year before the price gouging started. That's nuts.
Strong disagree here. First of all, it always retailed for at least 95 Euros (it's not USA here) and wasn't out of production since launch. Another thing is that the old normal is gone like Atlantis. Forget that it ever existed, as market isn't going to return to "sanity" anytime soon. Considering current conditions RX 550 2GB is a fair deal at 96 Euros. Unless you get a really good local deal, you can't really find many performance equivalents at eBay at same price. For same price you can only get GTX 750 Ti, GTX 770, GTX 480, GTX 660 Ti, GTX 950, R9 280. None of them have close power consumption and all of them are used, meaning no warranty. In terms of performance, GTX 770 is a match for GTX 1050 Ti and according to TPU database it's 2 times faster. But it's also out of driver support. All I can say is that used deals don't look at great or are quite risky. RX 550 is adequate. If I needed a card today and needed it cheap, I would get RX 550. It's still faster than 1030 GDDR5 and is cheaper, so RX 550 is a no brainer deal. It's essentially waht Radeon x670 tier cards were a decade ago. Not great, but they got you by fine.


The RX 550 isn't sufficient for decent gaming with even five-year old games. If the game is about 8-10+ years old, it'll suffice for 1080p gaming. Trust me, I play plenty of old games.
I guess your computer is broken then. RX 550 can certainly run 5 year old games at 1080p. I know it can, I used to play games with RX 560 and at 1440p, it worked quite well. Now there's RIS and FSR, so it gives a little bit of push for it. It's totally fine. That is unless you try to run games at Ultra (there's no point in doing that).


I don't anticipate US GPU prices to reach a "normal" level until 2023.
Okay. But my post clearly wasn't about US. Not that it changes anything, EU is like US, but availability is poorer and everything is more expensive. Also retailers are even bigger scalpers than US scalpers.
 
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I guess your computer is broken then. RX 550 can certainly run 5 year old games at 1080p. I know it can, I used to play games with RX 560 and at 1440p, it worked quite well. Now there's RIS and FSR, so it gives a little bit of push for it. It's totally fine. That is unless you try to run games at Ultra (there's no point in doing that).
I don't have any interest in playing games in Medium; I play games in Ultra on two systems. I have two good cards (RTX 3080 and RTX 2070 SUPER). The latter drives a 165Hz 1440p monitor. Pretty good. The former is driving a 4K LG OLED TV. Looks great.

I have an RX 580 8GB for my Mac mini 2018 (via a Sonnet external eGPU enclosure). I don't game on this system, the graphics card is for video and photo editing.

The RX 550 is used in a productivity system. Not worth it for gaming. With only 2GB VRAM, by definition this is not a card for Ultra gaming. This is the entry level model in the RX 500 generation. The RX 580 on the other hand was a capable gaming card when it was released 4+ years ago.

If I was really interested in gaming in Medium, hell I'd pick up a PS4 Pro instead. Heck, I can get 4K/120 gaming via a $500 PS5 right now if I wanted to. One thing for sure, right now $500 isn't going to buy a PC graphics card that will let you play at 4K.

Okay. But my post clearly wasn't about US. Not that it changes anything, EU is like US, but availability is poorer and everything is more expensive. Also retailers are even bigger scalpers than US scalpers.
You know, I mention US prices only because I don't have the time nor interest in following the vagaries of local market price patterns on a global scale.

Regardless where you live, the global GPU shortage is good for nobody except scalpers.

If people resort to playing 5+ year old games because they can't get their hands on an affordable modern graphics card to play a demanding new release like Cyberpunk 2077 or Microsoft Flight Simulator, that isn't an ideal situation for game studios and their employees now, is it?
 
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This isn't a troll thread, but for real not everything is bad during GPU shortage. There are some great things about it:
1) It's the best time to appreciate low end hardware
2) It forces people to know which settings to adjust in order to get a better experience
3) It forces people to be more creative, when it comes to graphics card buying
4) It's the best time to revisit classic PC games
5) It's a good time to just appreciate what you already have
6) It certainly helps to reduce conspicuous consumerism
7) If GPU shortage lasts a long time, then PC game makers will be forced to make games that run on lower end specs and that's good news for low end gamers (also FSR)

Frankly those threads about "oh no, RTX 3080 isn't available" are getting annoying. And to be honest, I never liked high end hardware. This GPU shortage just uncovered how much snobbism there is and it seems that most people that are into PC gaming aren't in PC gaming at all, but instead are just into buying high end shit and anything that isn't running at Ultra settings at 4K and at least 60 fps is literally unplayable to them. Thankfully, these times are doing a good job of getting rid of such people. And that said, in long term PC gaming may get cheaper and more accessible, that is if GPU shortage lasts long enough and instead of going bankrupt, game makers will make games that run on lower end hardware.
I fully agree, people are just all about themselves 95% of them, people like you, me and a few others are rarer than people really think.

Also the glass half empty folk are quick to make illogical decisions and emotional ramblings pretending they know anything and it is usually popular opinion that drowns out the rest.

I like your attitude, but on a balance I wouldn't call it a good time, so much money has gone to the 'wong' people, depending on your perspective. I'd probably do a few of your suggestions if I missed out, but that's just making the best of a bad situation.

I count myself exceptionally lucky (despite putting in the 'work' at launch time) to have gotten a launch 3080, especially with the insane market and now 3080Ti being abysmal value even if you compare MSRP vs MSRP. In Australia, we always get hit with higher prices, but even my $1399 AUD TUF 3080, is not only perpetually out of stock, but is listed at $2049 AUD straight from the retailer.

I suppose I'd have been fine on my GTX1080 still if I hadn't gotten so lucky, but I skipped a gen waiting for this series, I can readily admit I wouldn't have your rosy attitude if I missed out, and still didn't have one. Power to you.
People are intelligent, they understand that if a price rises, they can make money, it is simple and on a base level this is human survival instinct. Gathering as much resources as one can.

To think these are wrong people is to deny basic human nature.

This is a good read.


Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think its garbage. It sounds like you're happy people that can afford high end hardware can't get it, because you can't afford it, bringing them down to your level, rather than you aspiring to do better and you're using a whole load of specious reasoning to justify it. There's a world of difference between them and I know, because I've had both.

Everyone likes a glass half full-type person, but there's really gotta be a limit to what constitutes a "good time" like come on :laugh: are we gonna start picking positives out of SARS and coronaviruses and calling it a good time because people started working from home?

I can only appreciate those points because I bought a 2060 Super to replace my 1070 in Oct 2019. People told me I was wasting my money on a dead generation, people told me I replaced a card that didn't need replacing, people laughed at 2080 Ti owners for wasting their money......those same people aren't laughing anymore. I sold my 1070 to my friend for a reasonable price by pre-pandemic standards, and now we both have a good 1440p GPU.

I think my 4650G mini SFF HTPC is great, so great that I'll probably move to a 5600G in a month and a half. Take away my 2060 Super and that opinion will change real fast when all of a sudden about 2 of the 10 or so games remain playable, even on a heavily OC'd Vega 7 with 4200CL16.



Yeah you see, now you're just dreaming. The Xbox and PS5 exist, Apple will continue pushing GPU efficiency and power, and GPU performance doesn't just stop for want of supply. If you think future AAA titles along the lines of Halo Infinite / next COD / BF2042 are going down in hardware requirements just because "gamers" can't buy graphics cards, you're in for a very, very nasty surprise.
The simple answer is... it's a graphics card, you already own graphics cards...

None of which are likely holding you back, your need to satiate a desire is why you can't hold back and give in to temptation, again also basic human nature but more complex than the other I mentioned as this is where greed comes from.

You deny the OP because you are jealous of others gathering those resources, really you want them too.

I have an R9 280x on Ebay if you like, it's at 5.00 pounds bid right now.
 
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I don't have any interest in playing games in Medium; I play games in Ultra on two systems. I have two good cards (RTX 3080 and RTX 2070 SUPER). The latter drives a 165Hz 1440p monitor. Pretty good. The former is driving a 4K LG OLED TV. Looks great.
I don't care about you flexing your poor financial decisions, but tell me, why exactly do you dislike medium settings so much? It's been known in enthusiast circles for over decade that ultra settings often give next to none visual benefit over high settings and often reduce fps by two times. And in last 5 years many games even on low do look quite good. So that's even more reason to don't care about ultra settings. The only time when they are good for something is when game becomes legacy and you can max it out, when you get another graphics card, otherwise ultra is just too hard to justify.

The RX 550 is used in a productivity system. Not worth it for gaming. With only 2GB VRAM, by definition this is not a card for Ultra gaming. This is the entry level model in the RX 500 generation. The RX 580 on the other hand was a capable gaming card when it was released 4+ years ago.
Not sure what else did you expect. It was marketed as one and delivers like it was marketed. Nothing wrong with card itself.

If I was really interested in gaming in Medium, hell I'd pick up a PS4 Pro instead. Heck, I can get 4K/120 gaming via a $500 PS5 right now if I wanted to. One thing for sure, right now $500 isn't going to buy a PC graphics card that will let you play at 4K.
Consoles imo are out of discussion in PC sites. Console is not a PC, even if it can run games, it's not the same. You can't use MS/KB with console, many games never come to consoles, there's a strong preference to increase graphics at cost of fps, often poor backwards compatibility, you don't own your own games, DRM owns you, TCO is a lot higher, due to games being more expensive on consoles, online multiplayer still requires paid services, consoles almost never have free titles, consoles don't have emulators, consoles often have design flaws that you aren't supposed to fix yourself. Simply put, a console isn't PC and PC isn't a console, two entirely different things that aren't directly comparable. And a very important thing that people often miss is that owning a console ends up being a lot more expensive than owning a computer, due to multiplayer subscriptions and games being more expensive than on PC. So the console itself might be cheap, but the rest isn't.

You know, I mention US prices only because I don't have the time nor interest in following the vagaries of local market price patterns on a global scale.
Same for me, I have no interest in following US market. Anyway, when I mention European hardware shop, then I really don't expect some out of context comments about how same cards were a lot cheaper in la la la land. Those prices weren't ever real here, so I don't care how they might had been at some point radically different on the other side of pond.

Regardless where you live, the global GPU shortage is good for nobody except scalpers.
Good or not, but my argument is that it doesn't nearly affect anyone as much as they make it out to be (particularly gamers and TPUers).

If people resort to playing 5+ year old games because they can't get their hands on an affordable modern graphics card to play a demanding new release like Cyberpunk 2077 or Microsoft Flight Simulator, that isn't an ideal situation for game studios and their employees now, is it?
But I don't care about them, especially for studios that can't make reasonably optimized code. That's entirely their issue that they did such an awful job at making their shit playable. More importantly, I don't get what's the big deal about playing the latest games. It's an entertainment a type of media, so as long as it works and is enjoyable, its age is irrelevant. Imagine the insanity of people complaining that songs from 1920s don't sound nearly as crispy as modern songs, due to them being on vax cylinders and putting them into landfills, just due to some hardly important technical aspect. Or doing the same to movies... Sure in computer gaming space tech moves fast and things get incompatible rather quickly, so many games are simply lost due t that, but as long as they function and are enjoyable, there's no point in replacing them. Same for hardware, as long as it lets you do what you want, there's no point to replace it, even if there is something better. Just because there is something better, doesn't mean that you should upgrade to that. Particularly today, when you mostly don't even get any new features and only differentiating factor between hardware is generally performance (although argument for power consumption and some specific compatibility oddness, could be made too).
 

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The simple answer is... it's a graphics card, you already own graphics cards...

None of which are likely holding you back, your need to satiate a desire is why you can't hold back and give in to temptation, again also basic human nature but more complex than the other I mentioned as this is where greed comes from.

You deny the OP because you are jealous of others gathering those resources, really you want them too.

I have an R9 280x on Ebay if you like, it's at 5.00 pounds bid right now.
What? Your post makes no sense.
 
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Then there is no use in me trying to explain further. :)
Nah, don't push it back onto me. You haven't explained anything.

Looks like you're trying to criticise me in some way, but what you've written is an incoherent mess that doesn't make sense and I've done you the courtesy of giving you a chance to write it properly.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in criticism from some rando on the internet and don't have to justify myself to you, so if you wanna rewrite it properly or leave it here, I'm good either way.
 

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People are intelligent, they understand that if a price rises, they can make money, it is simple and on a base level this is human survival instinct. Gathering as much resources as one can.

To think these are wrong people is to deny basic human nature.
Sorry dude but scalpers are the wrong people to buy these cards, they literally never had the intention of anything other than taking advantage for personal gain. Sure it may be a part of human nature that a certain subset of people have no moral issues doing it, but the same could be said for all sorts of other acts that are generally considered immoral by greater society or even illegal. But hey, your opinion and all, you're allowed it as am I. If you meant miners, they contributed to the supply shortages for gamers, so they weren't really the intended audience but they just bought a product for their use case, I don't like it but they don't quite have that special place in hell that scalpers do.
 
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Nah, don't push it back onto me. You haven't explained anything.

Looks like you're trying to criticise me in some way, but what you've written is an incoherent mess that doesn't make sense and I've done you the courtesy of giving you a chance to write it properly.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in criticism from some rando on the internet and don't have to justify myself to you, so if you wanna rewrite it properly or leave it here, I'm good either way.
You like being right, you also can't stand criticism.

I don't know what part of what I said made no sense, just sounds like you pretending so that no responsibility is taken.
I understand what I wrote, I am sure many do.

Sorry dude but scalpers are the wrong people to buy these cards, they literally never had the intention of anything other than taking advantage for personal gain. Sure it may be a part of human nature that a certain subset of people have no moral issues doing it, but the same could be said for all sorts of other acts that are generally considered immoral by greater society or even illegal. But hey, your opinion and all, you're allowed it as am I.
Morals are subjective, it is all so that we remain in control, you also want a peice of the pie though so whats the difference?
You would not buy up a few cards and sell them on if you could?

If given to you, you would also not put them up on Ebay at a competitive price to the market value right now?

Lets say a RTX 2070 goes for 600 and you put it up for 559 to ensure it sells, no?

It's easy to have a stance and then not follow it as no one knows what you do on Ebay other than you and is easily bullcrapped. Words are words.
I don't trust anyone as most will stab me in the back anyway.

The hollier than thou crew who can't get what they want then when they do, will literally do the same.
 
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as someone who was lucky and had a rx 6800 and rx 5600x system. then sold it, because frankly i realized i wasn't using the horsepower it gave me. as most of the games i am enjoying are indie, FFXIV, or older backlog games that my gtx 1070 already handles just fine at 1080p 165hz.

I'm very happy with my decision. modern AAA games simply don't interest me like they used to. /shrug
 

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Morals are subjective, it is all so that we remain in control, you also want a peice of the pie though so whats the difference?
You would not buy up a few cards and sell them on if you could?

If given to you, you would also not put them up on Ebay at a competitive price to the market value right now?
I wanted the card to game with, which is what I do, I didn't buy it just to sell it and turn a profit, disadvantaging someone else that wants to actually own and use the product. And no I wouldn't buy anything at all just to scalp them either, a chance which I've had and have not taken.

Selling something you genuinely don't want or use anymore and asking market value isn't quite the same, but it can make it hard to tell those real cases apart from people who 100% went into it with the intention to scalp.

If morals are subjective then here's my subjective take. F**K scalpers.
 
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as someone who was lucky and had a rx 6800 and rx 5600x system. then sold it, because frankly i realized i wasn't using the horsepower it gave me. as most of the games i am enjoying are indie, FFXIV, or older backlog games that my gtx 1070 already handles just fine at 1080p 165hz.

I'm very happy with my decision. modern AAA games simply don't interest me like they used to. /shrug
To be honest, that looks a bit like a waste. I'm not sure the current state of vBIOS modding of RX 6000 cards, but at least logically thinking it would have made some sense to set power limit to half of stock (essentially to 125 watts only), so that you would be left with big core, that works at more power efficient clock speed range. It should be more power efficient than GTX 1070 and still a bit faster. And when you will feel the need for more power, you can just roll back stock power limit.
 
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I wanted the card to game with, which is what I do, I didn't buy it just to sell it and turn a profit, disadvantaging someone else that wants to actually own and use the product. And no I wouldn't buy anything at all just to scalp them either, a chance which I've had and have not taken.

Selling something you genuinely don't want or use anymore and asking market value isn't quite the same, but it can make it hard to tell those real cases apart from people who 100% went into it with the intention to scalp.

If morals are subjective then here's my subjective take. F**K scalpers.
The market value is the scalper price is the point I was making so you are by definition eating your own words.
 
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To be honest, that looks a bit like a waste. I'm not sure the current state of vBIOS modding of RX 6000 cards, but at least logically thinking it would have made some sense to set power limit to half of stock (essentially to 125 watts only), so that you would be left with big core, that works at more power efficient clock speed range. It should be more power efficient than GTX 1070 and still a bit faster. And when you will feel the need for more power, you can just roll back stock power limit.

nah, i'm happy with my decision. pricing won't stay bad forever. onceTSMC comes online with new factories next year the market will be flooded with supply by december 2022. im in no rush
 

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The market value is the scalper price is the point I was making
The market value is ~the scapler price, but the persons intentions and actions are the moral difference, it's not exactly black and white, but there are important delineations there.
 
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