Unpopular opinion: GPU shortage is actually a good time

[eidairaman1]

@The red spirit I wrote the words "very a like" relating to gcn arch, I did not say "exactly the same."

GCN 3, 4, 5 are improvements upon gcn 1 and 2. GCN 5 is inclusive of 1-4.

 

[The red spirit]

@The red spirit I wrote the words "very a like" relating to gcn arch, I did not say "exactly the same."

GCN 3, 4, 5 are improvements upon gcn 1 and 2. GCN 5 is inclusive of 1-4.

The only alike thing in them is that they are backwards compatible architecture level, but there were some quite major rehauls. Big rehuals were GCN 2, GCN 4. GCN 5 was a moderate rehaul. GCN 3 was more like refresh.

 

[arni-gx]

i dont get it about all that argument .....

but, i just wanna know about this news.....

Ethereum mining will soon be obsolete, as 'London' update moves key deadline to December

is that true, because of that...... is ALL nvidia and radeon GPU price, it will be coming back to MSRP on Q3-Q4 in this year ?? ASAP ???

 

[eidairaman1]

The only alike thing in them is that they are backwards compatible architecture level, but there were some quite major rehauls. Big rehuals were GCN 2, GCN 4. GCN 5 was a moderate rehaul. GCN 3 was more like refresh.

Ok from what im understanding is that you would disagree with me about the sky being blue.

Anyways hows the modded 580 holding up?

 

[The red spirit]

Ok from what im understanding is that you would disagree with me about the sky being blue.

Anyways hows the modded 580 holding up?

My last tweak was setting it to 100 watt power limits and locking clock speed up to 1100 MHz. That sounds quite drastic, but it works out well for me. Performance loss is small, I can go play games at same settings and I can't tell that they run much poorer. I can still play GTA 5 with Vsync on and that requires 60 fps or more. It works without low speccing. In terms of fan speed, I don't see more than 1400 rpm at all. Temperature is great, I haven't seen it reaching 70C in both gaming and mining. Pretty good. Unfortunately, now it's cold outside and I can't test thermals as well (it was over 30C everyday and now it's 11-14C), but I'm pretty sure that it will fare well. In terms of power limit, it might be set a bit too low, I likely could get clock speed up to 1200MHz, maybe even 1250 MHz, but I opted for non variating 1100Mhz. It turned out that something like ReLive actually takes up a lot of power budget, so I think I should get more consistent performance with 100 watt tune. I haven't tested ReLive yet and I actually wasn't at home for whole week, so I don't have much experience with my final tune.

 

[eidairaman1]

My last tweak was setting it to 100 watt power limits and locking clock speed up to 1100 MHz. That sounds quite drastic, but it works out well for me. Performance loss is small, I can go play games at same settings and I can't tell that they run much poorer. I can still play GTA 5 with Vsync on and that requires 60 fps or more. It works without low speccing. In terms of fan speed, I don't see more than 1400 rpm at all. Temperature is great, I haven't seen it reaching 70C in both gaming and mining. Pretty good. Unfortunately, now it's cold outside and I can't test thermals as well (it was over 30C everyday and now it's 11-14C), but I'm pretty sure that it will fare well. In terms of power limit, it might be set a bit too low, I likely could get clock speed up to 1200MHz, maybe even 1250 MHz, but I opted for non variating 1100Mhz. It turned out that something like ReLive actually takes up a lot of power budget, so I think I should get more consistent performance with 100 watt tune. I haven't tested ReLive yet and I actually wasn't at home for whole week, so I don't have much experience with my final tune.

Im dealing with a 570/580 GA user that needs a bios that will do over 90W.

 

[The red spirit]

Im dealing with a 570/580 GA user that needs a bios that will do over 90W.

Assuming that cooling solution is adequate, shouldn't this be an easy fix in SRB Polaris or PBE?

 

[eidairaman1]

Assuming that cooling solution is adequate, shouldn't this be an easy fix in SRB Polaris or PBE?

Not necessarily due to voltage differences between a 90W and 148W level card. I only found 1 bios that seems a direct fit by Dev ID and Subsys ID.

With the price of gpus stoll too high, might as well go Buy a Switch and have fun lol

 

[nguyen]

Dusted off an old PC with Intel 2600K + XFX R9 290 for my wife to play Genshin , repasted with Thermagic ZF-EX and the R9 290 stay in the 60C and remain silent even with 30C ambient, i can still feel the amount of heat coming off of it though

 

[The red spirit]

Not necessarily due to voltage differences between a 90W and 148W level card. I only found 1 bios that seems a direct fit by Dev ID and Subsys ID.

With the price of gpus stoll too high, might as well go Buy a Switch and have fun lol

I wonder if it isn't possible to use BIOS off some other RX 580 with same RAM chips instead. I have never seen RX 580/570 vBIOS with stock 90W vBIOS. I would assume that regular RX card would have higher voltage. If it is branded as RX 570, then my guess is that for some reason there was limited edition of reused RX 470 cards, that are flashed to be "RX 570".

I personally avoid Switch now. It's way too old at this point and its hardware seems to be very weak. It can't play many titles at native resolution and 30 fps, it drops resolution and often fps too. R9 290 should still be quite similar to RX 570 in terms of gaming capabilities, so it's not a bad card. It doesn't lack VRAM, so it should be still quite okay. However, that FX is just too far gone. Sorry mate, but AMD FX in 2021 is simply not good enough, even 5 GHz one. You may be losing as much as 20-30% fps due to it causing bottlenecks. Even something as simple as i5 11400 would be a massive upgrade for your system. I owned FX 6300 as long as it was bearable and pretty much once FC5 rolled out, it became clear that it's the end for FX CPUs. There's not much point in getting new GPU for you, FX chips do bottleneck RX 570s/580s. Here is what owning FX nowadays looks like:

Many titles can't be played at 60 fps due to CPU bottlenecks. Even a 65 watt i5 will be faster than FX 8 core at 5 GHz. As for cards, there are some local deals perhaps. Where I live, I was able to find RX 570s 580s still for 140 Euros used, working. Not great, not bad, but beats paying scalpers. There are eBay auctions and you may score some older card that people aren't well aware of. Perhaps a Fury X?, or some GTX Titan version, maybe even Quadro or Radeon Pro stuff. There's also Aliexpress, Alibaba. There are some deals if you look for them.

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Dusted off an old PC with Intel 2600K + XFX R9 290 for my wife to play Genshin , repasted with Thermagic ZF-EX and the R9 290 stay in the 60C and remain silent even with 30C ambient, i can still feel the amount of heat coming off of it though

Those R9 cards were notorious for being loud and hot. I still remember one review, where reviewer said that card so getting so loud, that he almost wanted to cancel benchmarking as he was afraid that it could fry. I personally really loved that they brought a lot of value for money, but they certainly were horrendous in thermals (or noise). And then AMD came out with that R9 295x2 monster card, that had 2 R9 290Xs slapped on one PCB. I have no idea how that stuff didn't catch on fire immediately, but somehow it worked with puny 120mm AIO. And so far it is the card with highest TDP I have ever seen, a whopping 500 watts. Obviously, it consumes even more watts in reality. It is probably the most insane thing that ever came out from AMD. To this day I'm still mystified how a single 120mm AIO could cope with all that heat. 120mm AIOS usually are one par with 120mm air coolers and those aren't known for being able to dissipate 500 watts of heat. And then there was Sapphire, the only OEM that had balls to overclock that thing. I wonder if their legal department actually had to deal with burnt down houses.

 

[nguyen]

Those R9 cards were notorious for being loud and hot. I still remember one review, where reviewer said that card so getting so loud, that he almost wanted to cancel benchmarking as he was afraid that it could fry. I personally really loved that they brought a lot of value for money, but they certainly were horrendous in thermals (or noise). And then AMD came out with that R9 295x2 monster card, that had 2 R9 290Xs slapped on one PCB. I have no idea how that stuff didn't catch on fire immediately, but somehow it worked with puny 120mm AIO. And so far it is the card with highest TDP I have ever seen, a whopping 500 watts. Obviously, it consumes even more watts in reality. It is probably the most insane thing that ever came out from AMD. To this day I'm still mystified how a single 120mm AIO could cope with all that heat. 120mm AIOS usually are one par with 120mm air coolers and those aren't known for being able to dissipate 500 watts of heat. And then there was Sapphire, the only OEM that had balls to overclock that thing. I wonder if their legal department actually had to deal with burnt down houses.

Yeah the stock blower cooler on the R9 290 is incredibly loud, the core temperature reaches 94C easily and it sounds like a leaf blower (actual meme).
Not that hard to fix though, I just replaced the stock blower with the Accelero IV cooler and it was dead silent. Sadly that R9 290 died when an AMD driver botched up the fan speed (locking it at 20%) and frying the VRM/VRAM (GPU thermal was still fine because of the massive heatsink)
Later I bought this XFX R9 290 for my nephew and it surprise me how quiet this AIB model is, can't hear it even without side panel.

 

[The red spirit]

Yeah the stock blower cooler on the R9 290 is incredibly loud, the core temperature reaches 94C easily and it sounds like a leaf blower (actual meme).
Not that hard to fix though, I just replaced the stock blower with the Accelero IV cooler and it was dead silent. Sadly that R9 290 died when an AMD driver botched up the fan speed (locking it at 20%) and frying the VRM/VRAM (GPU thermal was still fine because of the massive heatsink)
Later I bought this XFX R9 290 for my nephew and it surprise me how quiet this AIB model is, can't hear it even without side panel.

Ahem, stock blower:

I just wonder what rpms it reaches at full speed, if it wasn't screwed, it might take off. I also wonder what's worse, nVidia FX 5800 Ultra with mtn dew leafblower or reference R9 290x, both are more known for their noise than actual capabilities. Anyway, here's the OG blower:

If that blower wasn't enough fail for nV, nV released FX 5950 Ultra. I wonder how much louder it was than original FX 5800 Ultra. It's crazy that such products even existed. When FX 5800 Ultra launched, there was faster, cooler, quieter and not cheating in benchmarks ATi Radeon 9700 Pro (and 9800 XT). There just wasn't any reason to get nV card. When R9 295x2 launched, there already was GTX 980, which was almost as fast, but with way lower power consumption, almost as good performance and much lower price.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ahem, stock blower:

I just wonder what rpms it reaches at full speed, if it wasn't screwed, it might take off. I also wonder what's worse, nVidia FX 5800 Ultra with mtn dew leafblower or reference R9 290x, both are more known for their noise than actual capabilities. Anyway, here's the OG blower:

If that blower wasn't enough fail for nV, nV released FX 5950 Ultra. I wonder how much louder it was than original FX 5800 Ultra. It's crazy that such products even existed. When FX 5800 Ultra launched, there was faster, cooler, quieter and not cheating in benchmarks ATi Radeon 9700 Pro (and 9800 XT). There just wasn't any reason to get nV card. When R9 295x2 launched, there already was GTX 980, which was almost as fast, but with way lower power consumption, almost as good performance and much lower price.

My 290 is very quiet lol

 

[The red spirit]

My 290 is very quiet lol

That's surprising, I remember that back then in many benchmarks they ran quite loud or hot. After all R9 290 (non X) is rated at 275 watts, so quite a bit of lower end models likely got reference cooler or some other small cooler. R9 290X was rated at 290 watts and those were almost never quiet or cool. I just looked up your model at TPU database and I see why it was different. It was quite rare triple fan model. Most R9 cards that people bought were blowers or dual fan cards, so adding a third fan reduced noise and improved thermals. Also most reviewers got reference models for reviewing, so it was quite rare to actually see anything else. And some triple fan cards were also loud, due to vBIOS bias towards better thermals, rather than reduced noise.