• We've upgraded our forums. Please post any issues/requests in this thread.

Upgrade advice needed

Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#1
As you can see in my sig, my GPU is pretty much bottle-necked by the CPU. Would the money be better spend on getting Z77 board with 3570K or just buy 8350 and keep the current mobo?
Any suggestion on the new board should I go with Intel?

Thanks for your help :toast:
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2011
Messages
1,240 (0.50/day)
Likes
503
#2
Getting just the CPU is much cheaper. If the motherboard is in good shape (not too old and you had a good PSU), just stick with it and go for the 8350.
 
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Messages
6,263 (1.75/day)
Likes
3,364
Location
S.E. Virginia
System Name Barb's Domain/Barb's Cruncher#2/Barb's Laptop
Processor i7 3930k@4.37ghz/i7 860 @ 3.3ghz/AMD E300
Motherboard ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition/Gigabyte P55-UD3R/Proprietary
Cooling Deep Cool Assassin/Corsair A50/stock
Memory 16gig DDR3 1600/4gig DDR3 1600/3gig DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) GTX 1070 OC'ed 2GHz core/mem/MSI HD7770/HD6310
Storage Seagate 2tb Hybrid SSHD/Caviar Blue 160gb/Toshiba 500gb
Display(s) HP ZR30W 30" 2560*1600/SOYO Topaz S 24" 1920*1200
Case SilverStone Fortress FT04/NZXT Source 210 Black
Audio Device(s) Realtek High Definition Audio
Power Supply XFX 750W XXX edition/PC Power Cooling Turbo Cool 860
Software Windows 10 Pro 64 bit /Windows 7 Ult 64 bit/Windows 8.1 Pro
#3
Going with Intel and replacing your motherboard will not net you any noticable performance gains compared to just getting a 8350.
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
14,554 (3.97/day)
Likes
8,060
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K at stock (hits 5 gees+ easily)
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (4 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme Edition
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Green 4TB
Display(s) BenQ XL2720Z | Asus VG278HE (both 27", 144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair HX 850W v1
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
#4
That's a good card you've got there. I reckon you should replace the mobo and CPU and get something like an Intel 3570K to really let that graphics card fly.
 
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
4,624 (1.65/day)
Likes
1,995
Location
Redditch, Worcestershire, England
System Name RyZen Reynolds
Processor Ryzen 1600 6c/12t -3.8Ghz@1.26v
Motherboard Asrock AB350m
Cooling Wraith Spire
Memory 16GB DDR4 2800
Video Card(s) PNY GTX 780 Ti
Storage Seagate 1TB - 128GB SSD
Display(s) BenQ G2420HD
Case Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-01
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair VS 550w
Mouse Zalman ZM-M401R
Keyboard Razor Lycosa
Software Windows 10 Home x64
#5
Getting just the CPU is much cheaper. If the motherboard is in good shape (not too old and you had a good PSU), just stick with it and go for the 8350.
Going with Intel and replacing your motherboard will not net you any noticable performance gains compared to just getting a 8350.
That's a good card you've got there. I reckon you should replace the mobo and CPU and get something like an Intel 3570K to really let that graphics card fly.
Going Intel i5 3*** will net around 10-15% better than upgrading to a 8350, whether it's worth the outlay to the OP only he can answer.
 
Joined
Feb 9, 2009
Messages
1,469 (0.45/day)
Likes
381
Location
Toronto
Processor i7-2670QM / Q9550 3.6ghz
Motherboard laptop / Asus P5Q-E
Cooling laptop / Cooler Master Hyper 212
Memory 2x4gb ddr3sd / 2x2gb ddr2
Video Card(s) 570m / MSI 660 Gaming OC
Storage ST9750420AS / ST1000DM003
Display(s) BenQ FP241VW / BenQ GW2265HM
Case MSI gx780 / Corsair 500r
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply laptop / Corsair 750tx
Mouse Steelseries Kinzu V2 / Logitech M120
Keyboard Logitech Deluxe 250 / Logitech K120
Software Windows 7
#6
i would go intel (& OC it for an even bigger boost), what's your budget??


can you post some benchmark numbers? i think my OC q9550 is close to phenom ii quads & want to know what will happen when i get a 7970

hawken in particular has one map that dips into 20fps for me, now i know CF takes up cpu power so... i sure hope it wont stay at 20 with a new card
 
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#7
Thanks, NdMk2o1o. Intel may not seem like the most obvious choice in this case but it does have some upgradeability. I usually play FPS if that makes any different.

@kn00tcn what benchmark would you like to see? Also, my budget is ~£200 can spend a little more if needed.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2011
Messages
1,240 (0.50/day)
Likes
503
#8
Thanks, NdMk2o1o. Intel may not seem like the most obvious choice in this case but it does have some upgradeability. I usually play FPS if that makes any different.
Intel CPUs are better, but that's not always shows in every game and in every setup/configurations

1, in what resolution are you going to play? (monitor's native 1080p?)
2, can you name 3-5 games what you are planning to play the most?
3, do you play at the highest possible settings/detail in games?

ps.: I personally prefer Intel CPUs, but I still recommended the 8350 to you because that's the logical choice.
 
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#9
I game at 1080p, mainly BF3, FarCry 3 and probably Crysis 3 when it's released. I also play on PS2 emulator (PCSX2) a lot, not sure if that's better on Intel system.
 

erocker

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
42,381 (10.17/day)
Likes
18,023
Processor Intel i7 8700k
Motherboard Gigabyte z370 AORUS Gaming 7
Cooling Water
Memory 16gb G.Skill 4000 MHz DDR4
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 1080
Storage 3 x Samsung Evo 850 500GB, 1 x 250GB, 2 x 2TB HDD
Display(s) Nixeus EDG27
Case Thermaltake X5
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Zowie EC1-B
Software Windows 10
#10
If your budget is £200, definitely get the 8350. Much better than getting a very cheap Intel board and the 3570K.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2011
Messages
1,240 (0.50/day)
Likes
503
#11
I game at 1080p, mainly BF3, FarCry 3 and probably Crysis 3 when it's released. I also play on PCSX2 a lot, not sure if that's better on Intel system.
If you play at 1080p and you use enthusiast (highest or ultra settings) in games, there would be not much performance gain by going for an Intel CPU because you are (and you will be) GPU limited in 95% of the games (including the ones you listed)

However, PCSX2 - like most of the emulators - is only dual core (Dolphin can use the third core a little bit), so Intel would perform better with that program, but - on the other hand - that's not a very demanding emulator if you enable some of the speedhacks.
 
Joined
May 18, 2010
Messages
3,416 (1.23/day)
Likes
1,049
System Name My baby
Processor Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.5GHz, 1.45v, NB @ 2700Mhz, HT @ 2700Mhz - 24hr prime95 stable
Motherboard Asus M4A785TD-V EVO
Cooling Sonic Tower Rev 2 with 120mm Akasa attached, Akasa @ Front, Xilence Red Wing 120mm @ Rear
Memory 16 GB G.Skills 1600Mhz
Video Card(s) ATI ASUS Crossfire 5850
Storage Samsung 1Tb EcoGreen hard drive
Display(s) Hanngs-G 19"
Case Antec VSK 2000 Black Tower Case
Audio Device(s) Onkyo TX-SR309 Receiver, 2x Kef Cresta 1, 1x Kef Center 20c
Power Supply OCZ StealthXstream II 600w, 4x12v/18A, 80% efficiency.
Software Windows Vista X64
#12
Drop in an FX 8300. Makes no sense changing boards.
 
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#13
Seems a lot of people reckon I should keep the board, thanks for your advice. Just to make it clear how much more I would have to spend if I were to go with Intel, can anyone recommend a decent board to go with 3570K (or any on-going deal for that matter)?
 
Joined
May 18, 2010
Messages
3,416 (1.23/day)
Likes
1,049
System Name My baby
Processor Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.5GHz, 1.45v, NB @ 2700Mhz, HT @ 2700Mhz - 24hr prime95 stable
Motherboard Asus M4A785TD-V EVO
Cooling Sonic Tower Rev 2 with 120mm Akasa attached, Akasa @ Front, Xilence Red Wing 120mm @ Rear
Memory 16 GB G.Skills 1600Mhz
Video Card(s) ATI ASUS Crossfire 5850
Storage Samsung 1Tb EcoGreen hard drive
Display(s) Hanngs-G 19"
Case Antec VSK 2000 Black Tower Case
Audio Device(s) Onkyo TX-SR309 Receiver, 2x Kef Cresta 1, 1x Kef Center 20c
Power Supply OCZ StealthXstream II 600w, 4x12v/18A, 80% efficiency.
Software Windows Vista X64
#14
Seems a lot of people reckon I should keep the board, thanks for your advice. Just to make it clear how much more I would have to spend if I were to go with Intel, can anyone recommend a decent board to go with 3570K (or any on-going deal for that matter)?
It's not just about the money. It's about the time wasted installing the motherboard, cleaning the HDD, installing drivers, OS, games - It can kill like 2 days to get your rig back to normal and you'll be moving from AM3+ which has a decent upgrade path to LGA 1155 which is almost dead.

For a "OK" LGA 1155 starts from £100, the 3570K costs £177 so you'll be looking at £277 at minimum, whereas the FX 8350 is only £162.

You'd be spending a minimum of £115 for a slight gaming boost you won't notice and potentially lose performance in well optimized games or future games.

You could even sell your current Phenom II X4 955 BE for £60 on Ebay for a quick sale, then think of the FX upgrade as a discount ;)


AMD FX-8350 4GHz Socket AM3+ 16MB Cache Retail Box...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-336-AM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-086-AM

Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache.....

Edit:

Thanks, Dent1 for making me see sense. Although I'm not really bothered about re-installing the whole thing, that £100 of money wasted is too much and instead better spend on some SSD.
And more memory, not that you'll need it, but it'll ensure rig longevity. 8GB kits are only £35 now. So there is no excuse not to have 16GB total.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#15
Thanks, Dent1 for making me see sense. Although I'm not really bothered about re-installing the whole thing, that £100 of money wasted is too much and instead better spend on some SSD.
 

Mindweaver

Moderato®™
Staff member
Joined
Apr 16, 2009
Messages
6,583 (2.08/day)
Likes
3,915
Location
Charleston, SC
System Name Sechs / EyeSeven
Processor i7 5820k @ 4.5ghz / i7 2600k @ 4.0Ghz
Motherboard X99S GAMING 7 / ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
Cooling CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Extreme / Stock cooler... H50 leaked!..
Memory G.Skill DDR4 2800 16GB 4x4GB / G.Skill DDR3 1600 8gb 2x4GB
Video Card(s) PNY Quadro K2000 / MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4Gb
Storage Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD /Intel 240gb, corsair 120gb SSD, 3x 1 tb s storage
Display(s) 2x Acer G276HL 27" 1080p / 3x Acer 22" Nvidia surround
Case Phanteks “Enthoo Pro series”/ Cooler Master Storm Scout
Audio Device(s) Azalia Realtek ALC1150 / SB X-Fi Gamer
Power Supply Corsair CXM CX600M / Corsair 600w
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Chroma / Razer DeathAdder
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow Ultimate /
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 / Windows 10 Pro x64
#16
I'd get the 8350 for sure. The new Vishera Piledriver CPU's are a lot better than the Bulldozer Zambezi CPU's. :toast:
 
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
71 (0.02/day)
Likes
16
Location
London
System Name Haswell Revived
Processor Intel i5 4670K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Corsair H90
Memory 2 x 8GB HyperX Fury @ 1866 MHz
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme
Storage Crucial M500 480 GB, Samsung F3 1 TB
Display(s) ViewSonic 2365wb
Case Corsair 350D
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Dell Basic Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro
#17
Thanks a lot for your advice guys. I think I'm going with 8350 since it makes more sense financially.
Saves me a lot of trouble re-installing my OS and games, too.