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Upgrade AM4 CPU or go for Intel 1700?

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Tricky situation. Your CPU is just good enough to where your probably getting at least 90+ FPS on most games.

Whether to upgrade will depend on what games you favor along with if your happy or not with the performance you currently getting


To be fair the £500 your fine spending now along with the £150ish you could sell your current motherboard/cpu/ram combo should be enough to get into a good Zen 4 setup

It's not like your going to be wasting money, it's be basically the same price.
I am currently terrified of the DDR5 RAM prices. Decent 32GB kit costs more than double of a really good DDR4 kit with same capacity.

EDIT: I play a lot of different types of games. Simulators, FPSes, MOBA, AAAs...

I'd also recommend the 5800X3D, as it is the simplest upgrade for your current rig. You already have good RAM and a powerful video card. The 5800X3D will utilize them to their fullest. Since your primary use is gaming and you're not planning on overclocking, this CPU appears to be the obvious choice.

A word of caution, however. If you end up getting the 5800X3D, you will need much more capable cooling than your Fera. This cooler will definitely throttle the CPU in multicore scenarios, and may even be inadequate for sustained single-threaded loads.
What CPU cooler would you recommend? I am currently looking at Noctua NH-U12S Redux and it looks to be a good cooler
 
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I am currently terrified of the DDR5 RAM prices. Decent 32GB kit costs more than double of a really good DDR4 kit with same capacity.
And the performance isn't much better. Your platform is very solid and with the 5800X3D you mentioned earlier, you'll have a system that will meet your needs for several years to come.

I am currently looking at Noctua NH-U12S Redux and it looks to be a good cooler
That will do very well!
 
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I am currently terrified of the DDR5 RAM prices. Decent 32GB kit costs more than double of a really good DDR4 kit with same capacity.
Just basic non RGB DDR5 4800/5200 has dropped like 30% in price just in the last 3 months. No telling how much more it will drop from now to Zen 4

Plus lets be real, if your willing to drop £500 on a CPU then paying an extra £50-70 for DDR5 isn't a huge concern money wise, especially considering you could simply just start with 2x8GB (which negates most of the price difference) and then add more later.

I'm not for or against upgrading this current system (both ideas are solid choices) i'm just pointing out the equity you have selling your current system + the £500 you have now can easily get you into Zen 4, you wouldn't get ripped off if you went Zen 4
 
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Plus lets be real, if your willing to drop £500 on a CPU then paying an extra £50-70 for DDR5 isn't a huge concern money wise, especially considering you could simply just start with 2x8GB (which negates most of the price difference) and then add more later
But that would mean a new motherboard as well which would completely kill the budget and negate the point of the upgrade. The OP's existing platform is very good and does not need updating. A newer CPU is all they need.
 
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But that would mean a new motherboard as well which would completely kill the budget and negate the point of the upgrade. The OP's existing platform is very good and does not need updating. A newer CPU is all they need.
I know, I said either option was fine. My point was his original stance (which was having to pay an early adoption fee/going over budget) wouldn't actually be reality given his large budget.

£500 he has now plus the £150-175 he could sell his current sytem for would easily be enough money to get into Zen 4.

Same price as just buying the 5800X3d but you'd get a faster system, more modern features, and possiblity the abillity to upgrade to future chips if AMD plans on doing what they did with AM4 (which was making the platform compatable for multiple generations)
 
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What CPU cooler would you recommend?
I'd go with a top-end air cooler, but you may run into compatibility issues with height and RAM clearance. What case do you have?
 
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Then I'd suggest the NH-D15S or the NH-U12A. They offer similar performance in stock configuration, although the D15S can be upgraded with a front fan. Both of them are more capable than the U12S, which can throttle the 5800X3D in all core AVX loads.

These solutions aren't particularly cheap, but honestly neither is the CPU. Its single CCD design is a bit of a challenge to tame temperature wise. You'd want the best cooling possible to make it truly shine.
 

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I'd also recommend the 5800X3D, as it is the simplest upgrade for your current rig. You already have good RAM and a powerful video card. The 5800X3D will utilize them to their fullest. Since your primary use is gaming and you're not planning on overclocking, this CPU appears to be the obvious choice.

A word of caution, however. If you end up getting the 5800X3D, you will need much more capable cooling than your Fera. This cooler will definitely throttle the CPU in multicore scenarios, and may even be inadequate for sustained single-threaded loads.

I Suggest for Single tower 140 MM class, Thermalright ARO-M14, Macho, True Spirit 140, Scythe Mugen Max, Ashura. Dual Towers from both companies and maybe DeepCool.
 
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I Suggest for Single tower 140 MM class, Thermalright ARO-M14, Macho, True Spirit 140, Scythe Mugen Max, Ashura. Dual Towers from both companies and maybe DeepCool.

Not recommending a Noctua cooler? :D
 
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Nice case! Yes, you'll have room for the cooler mentioned above.
Thanks! It is not the most premium case you can get but it gets it's jobs done.
I am currently looking at other options other than Noctua and I have stumbled upon https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak620-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/. It seems to be a pretty good performance wise. It will most likely be a very tight fit since my case should theoretically fit a cooler with height of 162 mm. This cooler is 160 mm tall :D
And it looks very sleek IMHO.
 
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Raw numbers just isn't the main key with the 5800X3D. It also has much much better 1% lows which gives a much smoother playback
Thanks for seconding me on that because that follows what I said earlier about it.
It's always minimum FPS you'll notice and complain about, never about max FPS unless you're benchmarking for points.
 

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Not recommending a Noctua cooler? :D
Nope

Thanks! It is not the most premium case you can get but it gets it's jobs done.
I am currently looking at other options other than Noctua and I have stumbled upon https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak620-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/. It seems to be a pretty good performance wise. It will most likely be a very tight fit since my case should theoretically fit a cooler with height of 162 mm. This cooler is 160 mm tall :D
And it looks very sleek IMHO.

I Suggest for Single tower 140 MM class, Thermalright ARO-M14, Macho, True Spirit 140, Scythe Mugen Max, Ashura. Dual Towers from both companies and maybe DeepCool.
 
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with that ram kit i'd sell the ryzen plus board and buy a 12700K, OC it to 5Ghz with that Ram in Gear 1.
with a z690 pro a DDR4 for 200 bucks you would maybe pay ~400 bucks for the upgrade.
 
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With your budget just upgrade to a 5800X3D when it drops to under 500 Eur. If gaming is your primary use case there isn't anything better for your socket and likely never will be.


A 12700k only makes sense if you plan on doing more than gaming and can get the CPU and Mobo for less than the 5800X3D it also would require a much better cooler if you plan on overclocking it so factor that into the cost.
 
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With your budget just upgrade to a 5800X3D when it drops to under 500 Eur. If gaming is your primary use case there isn't anything better for your socket and likely never will be.


A 12700k only makes sense if you plan on doing more than gaming and can get the CPU and Mobo for less than the 5800X3D it also would require a much better cooler if you plan on overclocking it so factor that into the cost.
By the time the AM4 is not enough 6 will be out.

1700 is a bad deal at this rate, AM4 launched in 2017 and is just only being Surplanted by AM5, 5 years of the same Socket, Intel went through how many again?

with that ram kit i'd sell the ryzen plus board and buy a 12700K, OC it to 5Ghz with that Ram in Gear 1.
with a z690 pro a DDR4 for 200 bucks you would maybe pay ~400 bucks for the upgrade.

A 5800 oem is a considerable boost for less.

$262 on ebay because they claimed it was a 5800X $362 and I called him out on it.
 

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5800X3d ftw, just upgrade the cpu and you are golden. If you buy 1700 it will be unnecessary waste, as they will release another platform the following year rendering the 1700 obsolete.

Another route is to wait for AM5.

Which is what i would do, performance cannot be all that bad really.

But if he cannot wait would be tempted in the 5800X3D, how ever if i was on a b350 mobo not to sure.
 
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There are a few loserbenchmark.... ahem... I mean userbenchmark entries of your Prime b350-Plus board running with a Zen 3 CPU. These are with the most recent Beta BIOS versions with AGESA 1.2.0.7 or 1.2.0.6b.

I don't think Intel's ADL is on the table for you because of how well the R7 5800x3d handles games. Intel can only match the Gaming performance of the 5800x3d with their flagship offerings, which is beyond your specified budget. There's no reason to jump to ADL if your board can handle a 5800x3d. Other processors like the 5700x or 5900x are also good picks. Here in the USA, the R9 5900x is only $92 dollars more than the 5700x. I don't know what prices are like in your location but here in the USA the 5900x is a better value than the R7 5700x and 5800x offerings.

The only question I have is what kind of 1440p monitor are you using? If you're gaming on a 60hz or 75hz monitor then you probably won't see much of a benefit in upgrading the CPU. With the R5 3600, you shouldn't be having too many issues with a Game that doesn't challenge the CPU like Metro Exodus. Also, it wouldn't hurt to check your cooler, temperatures, and per thread CPU usage before upgrading. The 5800x3d, 5900x, and 5800x don't run as cool as the R5 3600, so you may need a new CPU cooler as well.

DDR5 prices have come down a bit since it first came out late last year. AMD seems to be hoping that DDR5 RAM will be even cheaper when Zen 4 comes out later this year. At some point in the future, DDR5 prices won't be a factor but that might take a year. Personally, if I was going to jump to a new platform, then I would wait until a few months after Raptor lake and Zen 4 come out, otherwise I would pick up a Zen 3 CPU. Jumping to an Intel platform also would require you to take care of your Windows key because of a new board and a new CPU cooler.... and on top of that your motherboard isn't worth much these days and your R5 3600 is maybe worth $120usd at the most.
 
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Thanks for seconding me on that because that follows what I said earlier about it.
It's always minimum FPS you'll notice and complain about, never about max FPS unless you're benchmarking for points.
Ye
There are a few loserbenchmark.... ahem... I mean userbenchmark entries of your Prime b350-Plus board running with a Zen 3 CPU. These are with the most recent Beta BIOS versions with AGESA 1.2.0.7 or 1.2.0.6b.

I don't think Intel's ADL is on the table for you because of how well the R7 5800x3d handles games. Intel can only match the Gaming performance of the 5800x3d with their flagship offerings, which is beyond your specified budget. There's no reason to jump to ADL if your board can handle a 5800x3d. Other processors like the 5700x or 5900x are also good picks. Here in the USA, the R9 5900x is only $92 dollars more than the 5700x. I don't know what prices are like in your location but here in the USA the 5900x is a better value than the R7 5700x and 5800x offerings.

The only question I have is what kind of 1440p monitor are you using? If you're gaming on a 60hz or 75hz monitor then you probably won't see much of a benefit in upgrading the CPU. With the R5 3600, you shouldn't be having too many issues with a Game that doesn't challenge the CPU like Metro Exodus. Also, it wouldn't hurt to check your cooler, temperatures, and per thread CPU usage before upgrading. The 5800x3d, 5900x, and 5800x don't run as cool as the R5 3600, so you may need a new CPU cooler as well.

DDR5 prices have come down a bit since it first came out late last year. AMD seems to be hoping that DDR5 RAM will be even cheaper when Zen 4 comes out later this year. At some point in the future, DDR5 prices won't be a factor but that might take a year. Personally, if I was going to jump to a new platform, then I would wait until a few months after Raptor lake and Zen 4 come out, otherwise I would pick up a Zen 3 CPU. Jumping to an Intel platform also would require you to take care of your Windows key because of a new board and a new CPU cooler.... and on top of that your motherboard isn't worth much these days and your R5 3600 is maybe worth $120usd at the most.
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Thanks! It is not the most premium case you can get but it gets it's jobs done.
I am currently looking at other options other than Noctua and I have stumbled upon https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak620-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/. It seems to be a pretty good performance wise. It will most likely be a very tight fit since my case should theoretically fit a cooler with height of 162 mm. This cooler is 160 mm tall :D
And it looks very sleek IMHO.
That's a much better cooler, but also more costly and physically larger, though I don't believe it's much taller if at all. You shouldn't have any problems fitting it into that case. This cooling will be good if you plan to overclock. If you're not going to OC then that Noctua you mentioned earlier will be more than you need.
 
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Case Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 Rev.B / Lots of nice cheap cases!
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar AE 7.1+Razer Tiamat 7.1/, Onboard for the rest of them...
Power Supply Corsair RM1000x V2 /Corsair RM750x V2 / Silverstone SST-ST55F-G
Mouse MSI Interceptor DS300 + Lots of optical mice!
Keyboard Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth /steelseries 6G V2
Software Win10 x64 x 3
Upgrade. It makes no sense to buy a whole new platform when you can just plop a better CPU in and keep going


It's been proving with the 6800s and 3080s and above see barely a 5% difference when using PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0. So how is potential wasted when there wouldn't even be a 5FPS difference.

The only time it ever seemed to make a difference is with this low bandwidth limited GPUs like the RX 6400/6500XT
What resolution is this claim made for? & to say 5% = 5fps is stretching it imo.
 
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