Upgrade AMD or swap to Intel??

[TristanD27]

Tristan ill provide links to see your cooler in action. Iirc the 8350 is cooler than the 8150

but in due honesty the 6300-83** are worthy upgrades to be considered in performance and overall cost of upgrades.

I highly believe your existing cooler can handle the 8350.

Thank you for that, I think I will just get the 8350 then, I most likely wont OC it because as you said, it doesn't need to be OC'd to get good performance and like I said before, it is far better then what I currently have and even my Phenom II is running everything I have tried on max settings at decent FPS, combined with a 770 I think the 8350 will do me perfectly fine, I'm happy at 60FPS and to be honest, I can handle the render times, anything better is just nice but not necessary, I work full time anyway so if needs be I can render stuff while I'm out.

 

[Vario]

Thank you for that, I think I will just get the 8350 then, I most likely wont OC it because as you said, it doesn't need to be OC'd to get good performance and like I said before, it is far better then what I currently have and even my Phenom II is running everything I have tried on max settings at decent FPS, combined with a 770 I think the 8350 will do me perfectly fine, I'm happy at 60FPS and to be honest, I can handle the render times, anything better is just nice but not necessary, I work full time anyway so if needs be I can render stuff while I'm out.

Save some cash and get the 8320 then! Its the same processor and its cheaper. Just set its clock to the same as the 8350 since you weren't gonna overclock it and then enjoy a fatter wallet!

 

[suraswami]

If this is the cooler u have,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186059

then it says it supports upto 320W. So you should be good.

Trust me going from PII X6 @ 3.2 to FX 8320 @ 4.2 gave me a nice grin!

 

[TristanD27]

Save some cash and get the 8320 then! Its the same processor and its cheaper. Just set its clock to the same as the 8350 since you weren't gonna overclock it and then enjoy a fatter wallet!

Yeah I think ill do that, although it's still 8 cores and if I OC it to the speed of the 8350 won't I have the same issue as OCing the 8350? I was told earlier in this thread that OCing an 8 core on my board might result in blowing the VRAM, if that's not the case then I would OC the 8350.

If this is the cooler u have,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186059

then it says it supports upto 320W. So you should be good.

Trust me going from PII X6 @ 3.2 to FX 8320 @ 4.2 gave me a nice grin!

Yup that's the one. Glad to know you had one better then mine and was still very happy with the upgrade

 

[Xzibit]

Yeah I think ill do that, although it's still 8 cores and if I OC it to the speed of the 8350 won't I have the same issue as OCing the 8350? I was told earlier in this thread that OCing an 8 core on my board might result in blowing the VRAM, if that's not the case then I would OC the 8350.


Yup that's the one. Glad to know you had one better then mine and was still very happy with the upgrade

The arctic freeze a30 is more then enough. It has 4x8mm DC pipes. No need to buy a different one.

Keep it and if need be switch the fan for ease of mind or better performance when you Overclock with a Noctua NF-F12 or Cougar
CF-V12HP improving performance while maintaining silence.

 

[suraswami]

Yeah I think ill do that, although it's still 8 cores and if I OC it to the speed of the 8350 won't I have the same issue as OCing the 8350? I was told earlier in this thread that OCing an 8 core on my board might result in blowing the VRAM, if that's not the case then I would OC the 8350.


Yup that's the one. Glad to know you had one better then mine and was still very happy with the upgrade

Your board is good for OCing.

Check the VRM database

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Just stick 2 x 40mm fans on the VRM sink like I did or stick a 80mm fan if you can, best bet would be Antec spot cool.

8320 will save you few bills and will OC to 4.2 with ease (I have even undervolted the chip), 8350 will OC with ease to 4.4 no issues.

So its upto you now.

I can see you are pulling out your credit card and waiting to hit the Order now button!



Here is my build log,

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/xpredator-x3-devil-red-build.187335/#post-2953958

Ofcourse the video card is no longer 6970. Also I added that chipset fan to get better temps on the NB.

 

[Vario]

8320 and 8350 are the same thing basically. The 8320 8350 9370 and 9590 are all the same chip, but at different speeds. Since the 8320 has an unlocked multiplier, you can set it to equal the speeds of a stock 8350, possibly as high as a 9370 depending on how lucky you are. You might even get 9590 speeds. Every chip is different, but AMD has essentially "hand selected" the better cpu's that come off the assembly line to go into the 9590 and 9370 product lines.

The reason the 8320 requires less power is because it is set to a lower speed. If you set a 8320 to the same speeds as a 9590 (and it somehow worked because you were incredibly lucky with the silicon lottery) you would use the same power as a 9590.

Because the 8320 is cheaper than the 8350, and you aren't a hardcore overclocker, you should get the 8320 over the 8350. I would venture to say that most 8320 should be able to reach the same clock speeds as a stock 8350 (4.0ghz with 4.2ghz turbo). The 8320 is 3.5 ghz with 4.0ghz turbo. If it is unstable at 4.0ghz its likely a pretty bad 8320.

 

[newtekie1]

Agreed with Vario. I've built several systems around the 8320, and every single one of them has been able to hit 8350 clocks with no voltage increase with the stock cooler. I'd go with that. IMO, the 9370 and 95900 aren't worth it for normal consumers. They are really just there for the extreme overclockers that know how to take advantage of the better silicon, or the people that are dead set against overclocking and want a 5GHz AMD FX.

 

[eidairaman1]

8320 i can suggest its considerably cheaper than the 8350 n suraswami thx for info. I got busy earlier with grocery shopping. You wont be disappointed on either 8320/50, best part you dont have to swap any other hardware or format.

 

[-1nf1n1ty-]

I thought I read something about you using blender on here, I'm an animator so I use maya frequently throughout the day. Even try rendering and what not every now and then. If you can find a cheaper intel 3770k or a 4770k then I would go with that because if you also play video games then thats a plus. My personal opinion regardless that I have a 4770k now, I would still go for AMD cause like everyone is saying, it's cheaper the extra money could go to a new tablet for photoshop or something. I saw some benchmarks AMD vs Intel when it came to photoshop and Intel pretty much blew it away :http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=836

But if I were you I'd go with the cheaper option, cause honestly rendering takes a long as time regardless and unless you have a render farm then don't worry about it lol. My vote goes towards the 8350: the cheaper solution.

ALSO, I read that Autodesk actually makes use of AMD's cores, however I have looked everywhere but I haven't found any benchmarks. Now I dont know if thats true but if it is that is pretty ridiculous. So +1 for AMD

TLDR Both about the same I am guessing go with cheaper option

http://www.behardware.com/articles/880-7/amd-fx-8350-review-is-amd-back.html

AMD 8350 running 3DS Max

MORE EDITS!

guy has a 8350 and a FirePro W5000

 

[Rock N Roll Rebel]

i like amd my self but if you want to be able to upgrade in the future you be better going with intel because amd is not going to put out any more 86x cpu's they are only doing apu's so intel is the only kid on the block in the future.

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Dude save your money and just upgrade your cpu. You have a good board and the right memory to run the 8350, So why not? You may have to set the memory to 1866 manually in the bios. I run a 8350 on a Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 with 16gb of 1866 memory and love it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Apus are x86 units smh...

 

[arskatb]

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/12
http://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/13

read and choose for yourself what you want, FX is good enought

 

[Melvis]

Trust me going from PII X6 @ 3.2 to FX 8320 @ 4.2 gave me a nice grin!

This is very true as I went from a PII 965 to my 8350 and the performance increase in multi threaded games nearly doubled.

When it comes to encoding or anything in that nature again the 8350 just blew the rest of my CPU's out of the water (PII 965, PII 1050T, i7 940) the only CPU I have now that just beats the 8350 in encoding is my i7 970, but only by 15fps at most.

You will see a good performance increase from the 8350 for sure

 

[RCoon]

OP, you talked about finance. This is when I get serious, and think you should pretty much ignore everything said in this thread regarding any upgrades except your CPU. Buy within your means. Your motherboard has support for the 8350, and it will provide what the CPU needs. It will run at 4Ghz on that board without any problems, and it will render faster than the 960, and play games faster than the 960. It will make you proud, it will server your purpose in your current situation, and I can pretty much guarantee, as long as you don't play Total War games, you'll be sat on very good average FPS above or around 60.

Yes Intel is faster at gaming
Yes it has lower power draw (but this arguement is total BS, because the price difference in electricity is about £10-20/year, so people can shove that arguement elsewhere)
Point is, you're buying on finance. For this reason alone, just buy an 8320 or an 8350, and you will be happy. I could quite happily remove my 780 from my 4670 system, drop it into the 8350 that's sat next to it, and notice almost no difference at all. I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Intel and AMD processors, but in light of the information in this thread, I see the Intel choice being a foolish idea.

 

[TristanD27]

Thanks to everyone for the time and help you've given me. I'm going to go for the 8350, it's £30 more then the 8320 but it's not too bad and even without OCing it's 4.0Ghz. That combined with a gtx 770 and an SSD for the OS will show massive improvements on a system that I'm still happy with so I won't be able to complain. Thanks RCoon for suggesting the Samsung Evo SSD, it's only £1 more then the PNY and as you say, there's not many reviews for the PNY but very good ones for the Evo.

 

[HammerON]

Good call
You should be really happy with your new rig once it is complete. Post some pics when you get it together

 

[RCoon]

Post some pics when you get it together

Most important part of the thread

 

[TristanD27]

I will do guys, for now I can show you the before shots I have lying around, the first few are the old board and stock cooler, also have one not great picture of the new board and A30.
http://s518.photobucket.com/user/ttmaster4444/slideshow/PC

 

[RCoon]

I will do guys, for now I can show you the before shots I have lying around, the first few are the old board and stock cooler, also have one not great picture of the new board and A30.
http://s518.photobucket.com/user/ttmaster4444/slideshow/PC

Damn son, nice clean case you got there. Reminds me of the Rosewill Thor V2. Post your PC pic > here <
TPU also has free image hosting @ http://www.techpowerup.org/
Just put your picture URL into [image][/image] brackets

 

[TristanD27]

Damn son, nice clean case you got there. Reminds me of the Rosewill Thor V2. Post your PC pic > here <
TPU also has free image hosting @ http://www.techpowerup.org/
Just put your picture URL into [image][/image] brackets

Thanks, I love white cases, they look clean and futuristic, think of every sci-fi film you've ever seen, the white weapons, big white rooms, white clothes.. I love it.
Thanks for that, didn't realise they have image hosting, I will upload the upgrade pics there.
What do you think of my cable management, took me about an hour to sort out. I might replace the blue cold cathodes with white LED strips, and when I eventually upgrade the board I'll get a black one and try to get some white RAM. One small thing I am going to include in my current upgrade is some white braided extensions for the 8pin CPU, 2x8pin GPU and two sata power splitters one for the blur-ray and dvd and one for the HDD and SSD, just need to find some white sata data cables and a white 24pin extension and I will be happy.

 

[Vario]

Shelf makes me nervous.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4904560&csid=_61
or
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009O7YU56/?tag=tec06d-20

8320 $150

 

[suraswami]

@MC 8320 is $99 and I think the sale ends either tomorrow or this weekend. Of course OP can't buy (since not in US) but others who are watching this thread and interested can jump on to this deal.

BTW like OP I have the X3 Predator Black and Red combination case and it looks awesome.

 

[TristanD27]

Shelf makes me nervous.

Try sleeping with your head under it, it is not a light PC, but it's pretty sturdy, might put an extra bracket or two on though for piece of mind.