Upgrade from 9700K to 7600X + B650 mobo for current RTX 3080. Advice needed, which parts to pick?

[droid99]

Hi, guys!

I'm planning to build new PC with new AM5 platform. I was thinking about 13600K/13700K but since November i can't find a good Z790 DDR5 mobo from MSI there in my country, even on amazon EU. Sold out atm or i need to wait. Only Z790 DDR4 motherboards are available right now.

My idea was build PC with 7600X then switch it with Ryzen 7000 3D cache in 2023. So 7600X is temporary solution for me. Performance of 7600X should above 9700K anyway and enough for gaming.

My current PC:

CPU: 9700K
Mobo: MSI Z390 Gaming Edge
Cooler: Dark Rock 4
RAM: Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Black (CMW32GX4M2C3200C16)
GPU: MSI RTX 3080 Suprim
SSD: Samsung 970 PRO 512GB
PSU : Fractal ION 860W Platinum (1 version)
Case: Phanteks Evolv X

Monitor: Acer Predator 25" 1080p 280hz

New PC platform would be looks like:

CPU: 7600X
MOBO: MSI B650 Carbon or Edge. For sure MOBO should be futureproof to handle Ryzen 7000 3D cache.
RAM: CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30 or F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR Link to compare Corsair vs G.Skill
SSD: Corsair MP600 LPX 1TB, WD SN850X 1TB or MSI Spatium M480 Play 1TB. Which one you would choose? MSI's SSD would match to MOBO
GPU: MSI RTX3080 Suprim for now (but if AMD RX 7000 XTX will be better i may switch to RX 7000 next year)

Cooler: I was thinking about good AIO with ARGB. Please, advice me what to pick. Or air cooler enough?
My list of AIO:

1) Fractal Lumen 360mm RGB
2) be quiet! Pure Loop 2 FX 360mm
3) MSI MAG CORELIQUID C360
4) MSI MPG CORELIQUID K360 V2
5) MSI MEG CORELIQUID S360

PSU: Is my current PSU good? I can order Corsair HX1000 Platinum

Case: Since Evolv X is pretty much closed case without enough airflow, would you recommend to change case or do i need just change stock fans to better one?

My case list looks like if i would change Evolv X:
Fractal Meshify 2 RGB
Eclipse-G500A-DRGB there is no dust filters, only mesh on top and front. I guess Fractal has better dust filters.
Corsair iCue 5000X RGB

OS: Windows 11 PRO 64bit

BUDGET - around 1500 +/- EURO. Country Poland.
PURPOSE OF THE BUILD - FPS games like quake champions and casual usage
ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE - In need - new cpu, mobo, ram, ssd, cooler. I have - case and psu.
OVERCLOCK OR NOT? - NO

I would like to have fast, responsible silent beast PC after 4 years of using my current 9700K setup.


Feel free if you have extra questions, I will be happy to answer.

Thank you guys for help!

 

[dark2099]

Looking at the Linus Tech Tips PSU Tier list, the ION line by Fractal is in their top tier, but if you share the UL code, someone can cross-reference who makes it actually, and give you the better idea, but should be fine for the new system. I'd go for whichever motherboard is more robust, chances are the 7xxxX3D that you end up going with, will benefit more. If price is equal, Corsair RAM since it has better timings, on paper will help with framerates. If the SSD is under a cooler, brand doesn't matter, and the minor differences, go for lowest cost. For AIO, I feel like the be quiet! might be the best option, their doing very well in the cooler space currently. I know some of the MSI AIOs are good, others aren't so look at the reviews.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I have the evolv X swapped all the fans for 140mm silent wing 3 high speed, cooling is much better vs the stock fans which are more meant to be quiet vs good performing. I would do 6 total 3 in front, 1 in rear, and 2 in the top rear position and run them at similar rpm.

As far as ram goes just make sure it has an expo profile both kits are decent the corsair one is technically better but I'm not sure it'd be noticeable. I would get a decent X670E for the much better connectivity over a B650 but if that's not important to you just get a board that offers everything you need. Everything else looks decent enough.

3080 to 7900XTX likely won't be a worthwhile upgrade at 1080p most games will already be cpu limited regardless of what cpu you go with maybe less so once 7000X3D drops but you'll likely still hit a wall in a lot of games.

 

[maxfly]

Your Fractal ION 860W is built by High Power, is backed by a 10yr warranty and reviews well. All of the ocp rails are set high so if you haven't run into any issues with your 3080 to date, you likely won't with your new gear either.
GL with the new rig!

 

[Tech_fanatic]

I would suggest you to go for at least a B650E motherboard (preferably X670E if you can) if you are going to keep that system for a while and as you will be upgrading to a 7XXX3D I think it will stay with for atleast 4-5 years. By that time you will have PCIe 5.0 Gfx cards in the market and also NVME PCIe 5.0 SSDs. Hence future-proofing your system. Also as history has shown X series chipsets provide better upgradability.
As for your PSU I would suggest you keep the one you have for now.
Also get a new case with better airflow and support for AIOs like the ones you have mentioned already. Case isn't a thing which can easily be swapped after you have built your system.

 

[droid99]

Thank you guys for answering!

I would suggest you to go for at least a B650E motherboard

Too bad that MSI didn't show B650E mobo, as alternative i can get Asus B650E Strix E or ASRock B650E Taichy ( but there i don't like those brown elements :/)
But as i have MSI gpu i didn't want software conflicts for example with Asus, thats why i prefer mobo from same company.

 

[eidairaman1]

Make sure that Corsair Ram has a Ryzen badge, it has been a bane for Ryzen ddr4 platform. Id say GSkill or Crucial

 

[droid99]

Guys, small update

i ordered 7600X, MSI B650 Carbon,

cooler will be air one - DeepCool AS500 PLUS, with AIO only problems haha

I decided to leave my Evolv X case and PSU, i will change only fans to better one. Actually new Phanteks M25 fans inside new case - G500A are pretty good in techpowerup review https://www.techpowerup.com/review/phanteks-eclipse-g500a-performance/10.html 3pack of 140mm size costs 50 euro there. Need to wait 10 days.

And ram will be Corsair 6000mhz cl36(cl30 is not available) https://skinflint.co.uk/corsair-vengeance-rgb-grau-dimm-kit-32gb-cmh32gx5m2d6000z36k-a2829597.html

I need to choose right SSD , do you think heatsink on MSI B650 Carbon could cool down SSD ? Or I should buy SSD with prebuilt heatsink?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Get a decent gen 4 nvme drive the stock m.2 heatsinks will be fine.

 

[droid99]

@oxrufiioxo

I ordered Corsair MP600 Pro LPX 2 TB for 210 euro few min ago, probably best SSD deal so far.

Thank you!

 

[droid99]

Ram is ordered CMH32GX5M2D6000Z36K

 

[P4-630]

since November i can't find a good Z790 DDR5 mobo from MSI there in my country, even on amazon EU.

Some left in stock here: https://www.amazon.nl/s?k=z790+msi&...U3T6&sprefix=z790+msi,aps,76&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

 

[droid99]

Omg MSI z790 edge WiFi DDR5 671.02 euro.

That why i ordered and collected Ryzen 7600x today. I cancelled b650 carbon from Amazon btw. I can get Asus B650E-E Strix Gaming for just 50 euro more.

And Asus B650e has 650E chipset, 8layer PCB, post code, better audio

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Omg MSI z790 edge WiFi DDR5 671.02 euro.

That why i ordered and collected Ryzen 7600x today. I cancelled b650 carbon from Amazon btw. I can get Asus B650E-E Strix Gaming for just 50 euro more.

And Asus B650e has 650E chipset, 8layer PCB, post code, better audio

Good swap that B650E board is pretty legit and offers pretty much everything a person could need.

 

[droid99]

@oxrufiioxo

I ordered also this

Thermal Grizzly TG Shield to apply on 7600X CPU capacitors https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/385-tg-shield-en
New Arctic MX-6 4 gr thermal paste

Btw there is also new motherboard from Asus, i found it

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x670e-a-gaming-wifi-model/spec/

What do you think, is it better than B650E-E Gaming? To be honest i don't care about more than one fast M.2 SSD + maybe 1x sata 2.5 ssd 2tb like Samsung 870 EVO, but one fast M.2 is enough atm.

 

[Tech_fanatic]

@oxrufiioxo

I ordered also this

Thermal Grizzly TG Shield to apply on 7600X CPU capacitors https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/385-tg-shield-en
New Arctic MX-6 4 gr thermal paste

Btw there is also new motherboard from Asus, i found it

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x670e-a-gaming-wifi-model/spec/

What do you think, is it better then B650E-E Gaming? To be honest i don't care about more than one fast M.2 SSD + maybe 1x sata 2.5 ssd 2tb like Samsung 870 EVO, but one fast M.2 is enough atm.

In short: Yes
Longer version:
That board is clearly better than the B650E but will you be able to use it to its full potential (unless you do extreme RAM and cpu overclocking)? If you plan on keeping the system for atleast 4-5 years to come then you can go for the X670E. That ASUS Strix X670E is pretty high end and more expensive than your average X670E. But do you really need that many M.2 slots or the myriad of usb slots it offers? If you really do then I would suggest you to go for the Asrock Taichi X670E as it has better VRM for overclocking and has all the bells and whistles.
But if you really think that you won't be needing more m.2 slots in the future then a B650E board will be much better value and more than sufficient for you needs. B650E boards also offer PCIe 5.0 for future NVMe drives. They are a pretty good deal I would say.

 

[droid99]

Thank you @Tech_fanatic

I need only decrease temps and power for comfortable using. No need overclock to push to the limit CPU. I don't even know how to overclock Ryzen 7000.

I'm planing order Phanteks M25 140 PWM Argb fans. I hope 6x are enough. 3x on front, 2x on top, 1x on rear.

I hope it won't be too bright in case.

 

[Tech_fanatic]

Thank you @Tech_fanatic

I need only decrease temps and power for comfortable using. No need overclock to push to the limit CPU. I don't even know how to overclock Ryzen 7000.

I'm planing order Phanteks M25 140 PWM Argb fans. I hope 6x are enough. 3x on front, 2x on top, 1x on rear.

I hope it won't be too bright in case.

In that case a B650E will be the best fit for you. They offer the same features as an X670E but at a more affordable price. Also if you plan to run your cpu (7600X) cool just use PBO CO negative values (-15 will be a safe value but if your cpu supports it you can go lower) and your done. Any decent 240/280mm AIO will be sufficient for the 7600X with the negative CO settings. I have done so with my 7900x and now it stays mostly within 70C even while running all core benchmarks.
Also those many case fans will be more than enough if you fit them in correct push pull configuration (3x front intake , 1x rear exhaust and 2x top exhaust should do the job just fine).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

@oxrufiioxo

I ordered also this

Thermal Grizzly TG Shield to apply on 7600X CPU capacitors https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/385-tg-shield-en
New Arctic MX-6 4 gr thermal paste

Btw there is also new motherboard from Asus, i found it

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x670e-a-gaming-wifi-model/spec/

What do you think, is it better than B650E-E Gaming? To be honest i don't care about more than one fast M.2 SSD + maybe 1x sata 2.5 ssd 2tb like Samsung 870 EVO, but one fast M.2 is enough atm.

I did a build with that X670E board it's pretty great but so is the B650E board you've chosen just go with the cheaper one.

 

[Hyderz]

just out of curiosity, 9700k is a pretty fast cpu.
What made you decided to upgrade your parts?

 

[droid99]

@Hyderz

I bought 9700k 4 years ago yeas it's still great CPU, but there is few reasons

- with am5 platform i could easily swap to 3D cache CPU in 2023 ( should gives amazing boost in games)
- 9700K is pretty old, i will sell it as soon as possible if it's worth something on market. I bet I'm gonna lose a lot of money if i still will keep it in 2023
- i want to to try AMD platform just from curiosity, check all tweaks in bios, check performance in games etc
- upgrade path till 2025 with AMD
- also i don't know how will be situation with PC market in 2023, i heard price will go too high with every electronic stuff, so is better to do upgrade now for me.



I could upgrade to Raptor Lake, but motherboards price for Z790 Ddd5 kills my willing and is simply too high for "dead platform"

 

[JrRacinFan]

upgrade path till 2025 with AMD

I would say even longer than that if they stick to their current marketing model. Remember their flagship ryzen 1st gen SKUs released in 2017, so id say a good 5-6yrs.

 

[P4-630]

for "dead platform"

It shouldn't be a problem if you keep it at least 4 years.

 

[droid99]

@P4-630

i didn't want to keep for 4 years Z790 just because i can't upgrade for better CPU/next gen CPU.

And i know Raptor Lake are one of best Intel's CPU, very powerful.

And 3D cache Ryzen looks.more interesting i guess.

It is what it is.

 

[Hyderz]

@droid99

fair enough, those are valid reasons
Am5 would be an awesome platform to swap to because of amd promise of multiple cpu generation support.
initial build would be slightly costly but it allows you drop in more powerful cpu later down the path without a newer chipset upgrade.