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hello Tekkies,

my current rig is this :

cpu : i5 2500k (not overclock)
cooler : enermax LiqTech ELC-LT120X-HP (not AM4 compatible)
mb : asrock b75m itx (no overclocking possible)
ram : 16Gb ddr3
ssd : 2x256 Go
gpu : evga gtx 1070
psu : be quiet system power 7 350W 80+ BRONZE
case : cooler master elite 130 (only itx mb)
monitor : samsumg 2233rz 1680 x 1050

I would like to upgrade with a limit of 400€.
I would like to keep the 2 ssd, psu, gpu, monitor, case and perhaps the cpu cooler.
I am only playing games.
So I need the best gaming performance for the money upgrade.

I was looking at 2 upgrades one Intel and one AMD.

Intel
cpu : i5 10400F
ram : corsair 16Gb ddr4 3200
mb : asrock z490m itx/ac
price : 370€

AMD
cpu : ryzen 3 3100 (3300x not available)
cooler : Arctic Liquid Freezer II 120
ram : corsair 16Gb ddr4 3200
mb : asrock b550m itx/ac
price : 350€

What do you think ? Thanks in advance.
 

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i5 10400F all the way. More cores/threads than the R3 3100 make it a no brainer
 
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based on those two options the intel platform is the better choice

 
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Hi,
Always best for gaming is intel
Not a 10400k but good idea of what base is
 
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The stock cooler that comes with the R3 3100/3300 is more than capable in ways that you could maybe get a r5 3600 at the expence of the aftermarket cooler you listed there and them stock ones are by far not close to beeing loud at full speed. I gandered looks at speedier alternatives for the other build, but all them options all go above your listed budget.
 
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thanks for the replay is the any other cpu to consider ?
Hi,
Your budget not really.
I'd be looking at a better intel mother board though.
Gigabyte or cheap asus tuf.
 
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The stock cooler that comes with the R3 3100/3300 is more than capable in ways that you could maybe get a r5 3600 at the expence of the aftermarket cooler you listed there and them stock ones are by far not close to beeing loud at full speed. I gandered looks at speedier alternatives for the other build, but all them options all go above your listed budget.
I need a watercooling system because of the airflow and I dont like the loud.

cpu : i5 10600k
mb : cheap h410 itx
What about this ?
 
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The 3100x is still a good buy. You should easily be able to find a cheap 3600 or 3700 when you are ready to upgrade. A board like the Asus B550 Prime M would be great in this scenario.
 
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The 3100x is still a good buy. You should easily be able to find a cheap 3600 or 3700 when you are ready to upgrade. A board like the Asus B550 Prime M would be great in this scenario.
I will also be able to upgarde to zen 3 architecture 4XXX, that is why I am asking advice.

On one hand i5 10400f good performance upgrade and on the other ryzen 3 3100x weak performance upgrade but nice upgrade in the future (zen 3).
 
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I need a watercooling system because of the airflow and I dont like the loud.

cpu : i5 10600k
mb : cheap h410 itx
What about this ?
Won't h410 lock you out of overclocking the k cpu?

It's like you're doing it all wrong. First you pair a budget cpu with a high end board, next you pair a a high end cpu with a low end board.
 
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Won't h410 lock you out of overclocking the k cpu?

It's like you're doing it all wrong. First you pair a budget cpu with a high end board, next you pair a a high end cpu with a low end board.
I agree have you any advice ?

The main issue with Intel mb, you need a z490 chipset to achieve the full cpu performance (ram speed).
 
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I will also be able to upgarde to zen 3 architecture 4XXX, that is why I am asking advice.

On one hand i5 10400f good performance upgrade and on the other ryzen 3 3100x weak performance upgrade but nice upgrade in the future (zen 3).
Exactly my point. I have had the 3300X in an Asus B450 Prime and I was able to OC to 4.4 GHZ easily the B550, with double the chokes should be able to handle whatever comes next. If you have been on AM4 from the beginning the performance improvement is tangible. The next gen should be at least as good in terms of performance improvements as going from 1st to 2nd Gen AM4 where the 2600 was tangibly faster than the 1700.

I need a watercooling system because of the airflow and I dont like the loud.

cpu : i5 10600k
mb : cheap h410 itx
What about this ?
If you want Watercooling I would advise Alphacool. They have a plethora of products readily available on Amazon and do sell directly to the public. The quality is really good too and they have a quick connect system that makes Watercooling a little easier and they have G 1/4 specs. Corsair is interesting because they are a large vendor who just jumped into the market. With that you can find rads and reservoir pump combos for decent pricing. I recently was able to get a 280MM rad for $85 (Canadian). You could use a combination of both to have a really nice and quiet system for both the CPU and GPU.
 
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I agree have you any advice ?

The main issue with Intel mb, you need a z490 chipset to achieve the full cpu performance (ram speed).
You want to save money go 10400F + cheap motherboard.

Going by pcpartpicker the exact intel build you initially listed goes for 395€.

With a 10400 and a H410 you're down to 330€. Also, 10400 not F, because it's 1€ difference between the two and you get iGPU just in case.

Long story short you're paying 65€ extra just a couple percent here and there.

Possible upgrade paths are completely different deal because that will mean basically rebuilding your PC from ground up. PSU, case, cooling, etc will have to exchanged. Also you'll probably have a sideways upgrade path on Intel and a max of 1 gen on AMD (assuming they will ditch the AM4 after Zen 3) which will come out within few months after your purchase.
 
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hello Tekkies,

my current rig is this :

cpu : i5 2500k (not overclock)
cooler : enermax LiqTech ELC-LT120X-HP (not AM4 compatible)
mb : asrock b75m itx (no overclocking possible)
ram : 16Gb ddr3
ssd : 2x256 Go
gpu : evga gtx 1070
psu : be quiet system power 7 350W 80+ BRONZE
case : cooler master elite 130 (only itx mb)
monitor : samsumg 2233rz 1680 x 1050

I would like to upgrade with a limit of 400€.
I would like to keep the 2 ssd, psu, gpu, monitor, case and perhaps the cpu cooler.
I am only playing games.
So I need the best gaming performance for the money upgrade.

I was looking at 2 upgrades one Intel and one AMD.

Intel
cpu : i5 10400F
ram : corsair 16Gb ddr4 3200
mb : asrock z490m itx/ac
price : 370€

AMD
cpu : ryzen 3 3100 (3300x not available)
cooler : Arctic Liquid Freezer II 120
ram : corsair 16Gb ddr4 3200
mb : asrock b550m itx/ac
price : 350€

What do you think ? Thanks in advance.
Just wait for the AMD Ryzen 4000 serie, they are almost here. Or take a AMD Ryzen 3600.
 
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375€ here in germany

Just wait for the AMD Ryzen 4000 serie, they are almost here. Or take a AMD Ryzen 3600.
Yes the 3600 is an option with a bit more money 420€

I think Lindatje is right I will wait for AMD Ryzen 4000.

Now I am still able to play all games with high quality, I can wait a couple of more months.
 
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Firstly, welcome to TPU, also where are you from so I can get a better understanding of price/performance in your country.

2nd I noticed is you wanted to keep your PSU... Bequiets a good brand but 350W bronze is pushing it, I'd upgrade that before getting new parts but the problem is that PSU's have gone up in price & no to mention the lack of availability in some countries, just a consideration.

If your main thing is gaming, go Intel, a 10400F paired with a decent itx B460/H410 mobo will do the job, 16gb RAM kit 3000mhz from any respectable brand will suffice, you don't need to waste $$ on higher clocked RAM as Intel limits it to 2666/2933mhz on their budget boards, not sure if your CPU cooler will support LGA 1200 but the 10400F does come with Intel's "amazing" stock cooler anyways.

Like others have mentioned, yes you can go AMD & wait for their 4000 series, will have a better upgrade path most likely but hey, if you want your new PC now, I say just get it now, up to you. Hope this helps. :toast:
 
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Firstly, welcome to TPU, also where are you from so I can get a better understanding of price/performance in your country.

2nd I noticed is you wanted to keep your PSU... Bequiets a good brand but 350W bronze is pushing it, I'd upgrade that before getting new parts but the problem is that PSU's have gone up in price & no to mention the lack of availability in some countries, just a consideration.

If your main thing is gaming, go Intel, a 10400F paired with a decent itx B460/H410 mobo will do the job, 16gb RAM kit 3000mhz from any respectable brand will suffice, you don't need to waste $$ on higher clocked RAM as Intel limits it to 2666/2933mhz on their budget boards, npt sure if your CPU cooler will support LGA 1200 but the 10400F does come with Intel's "amazing" stock cooler anyways.

Like others have mentioned, yes you can go AMD & wait for their 4000 series, will have a better upgrade path most likely but hey, if you want your new PC now, I say just get it now, up to you. Hope this helps. :toast:
Firstly, thank you all you answers.
I am from France but I can buy in Germany (cheaper).
Why should I change PSU gtx 1070 consume 150W peak and i5 10400f 160W peak so all system peak 310W.
About the cooler the socket 1200 don't have change the cooler compatibility (so far I know).
 
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It only provides 300w on the 12v rail which powers pretty much everything including gpu cpu motherboard drives etc and it's 8 years old, you're asking for big trouble running that unit with a 1070
 
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It only provides 300w on the 12v rail which powers pretty much everything including gpu cpu motherboard drives etc and it's 8 years old, you're asking for big trouble running that unit with a 1070
Thank you so I need more money :)

I will wait 6 more months and buy a good PSU + the 400€ upgrade.
 
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If your main thing is gaming, go Intel, a 10400F paired with a decent itx B460/H410 mobo will do the job
If you do that, you blow the chance to "OC" the non "K" CPU's. Get a Z490 motherboard.

cpu : i5 10400F
Having the i5-10400 with the iGPU helps with troubleshooting and also some programs can use it as well.
 
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If you do that, you blow the chance to "OC" the non "K" CPU's. Get a Z490 motherboard.


Having the i5-10400 with the iGPU helps with troubleshooting and also some programs can use it as well.
Well yes but spudknife has a limited budget. hence why I mentioned the non K series, having the integrated Intel GPU is definitely handy but as before, was thinking of his budget, if he/she can get a well priced Z490 board, definitely go for it, Intel's non K CPU's boost with high clock speeds with a decent cooler anyways under certain loads.
 
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Just curious, how much more for the i5-10400?
 
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