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Upgrade to 7700K was a let down!

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by mcraygsx, Jan 13, 2017.

  1. mcraygsx

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    Just updated our main platform from X99 to Z270 and I must say I am not that impressed at all. Upgraded from 5930K to 7700k and Asus X99 Deluxe to Maximus IX Hero and even got a decent discount at Overland Park Microcenter for combo purchase.

    Positives:
    X.M.P worked much better on this Z270 platform then it ever did on X99.
    Decent Turbo boost of 4.5Ghz by default
    Type-C port is a plus for my Lumia 950.
    Noctua NH-D15 still rocks and is compatible.

    Cons:

    1151 Socket type feel very cheap and frail when compared to 2011-V3
    5930K overclocked just as good
    Miss the Quad channel memory
    Higher cache 15MB vs 8 MB.
    Most in game benchmark seem to perform worse as compare to overclocked 5930K.
    X99 Platform offers the benefit of 40 PCIe lanes thus SLI will run at 16x instead of 8x on Z270.

    You may call it a buyers remorse but for the first time I understood the meaning of Entry level platform!

    Any thoughts if I should just return the whole combo and just upgrade to Broadwell-E since I already have a decent X99 mb.

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  2. MT Alex

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    I'm wracking my brain trying to come up with a more diplomatic and less caustic way to say "No duh" but I'm getting nothing.
     
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    So you downgraded from a 6c12t setup to a 4c8t setup and you're telling us youre disappointed with the loss of performance?

    ::edit::

    I apologise but you must be a special kind of stupid :roll::roll:
     
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  4. mcraygsx

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    Right my expectations were to get a superior single core performance out of 7700k. I am not comparing the argument of two extra cores here. .
     
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    5930k is Haswell... Skylake was barely an improvement over Haswell clock for clock and Kaby Lake is a mere refresh of Skylake.
     
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    I mean.. what are your bench comparisons for single threaded performance.. Seems this is the place to share some numbers??
     
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    [X] go back to the X99 platform and return those mainstream parts.
     
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    X99 is currently the flagship platform....you downgraded.
     
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    You could overclock a lot further if you put fans on the Noctua, of course it can be used passively like you show in the picture, but that is far from it's actual true cooling potential.

    I just bought a 7700K and the same motherboard as you, but I'm upgrading from a 3770K clocked at 5ghz, planning to run the same 5ghz clock with the 7700K.

    Then hopefully the performance difference from the 3770K to the 7700K will not be a wasted upgrade, we'll see?

    My CPU should be delivered tomorrow.
     
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    Ok how on earth are the 7700K and 5930K doing the same clocks. Most 7700Ks should do 4.9GHz or more. Most 5930Ks top out around 4.6G. As for performance at the same clock there will be little difference in single threaded and the 7700K will alway lose in any multi threaded test.
     
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    With that cooling I'm sure you can... let's just hope the small generational gains are enough for you :toast:
     
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    For the first time I am not going to argue why does INTEL ask premiums prices for their Extreme edition platform.

    i7 7700K had a negative impact on FPS in both rainbow six siege and Armored Warfare. Basically all the game I have tested thus far suffer from minor performance despite the fact 7700K runs at higher frequency out of the box. Once I do fresh installation of OS, will post some 3DMark scores.



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    Really dude. I could of told you that from comparing my Rig to skt 2011-3 using CPU-Z. Tpu benched this cpu and there truly isn't a gain from 6700
     
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    Reviews are online for a reason....
     
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    wait you swapped a proc and mobo.. I would post some benches after a fresh install.

    I can only assume the 7700k would be slightly better at everything than a 4790k..

     
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    Sigh; where have ya been? It's been known for months that Kabylake is same (give or take 1%) with Skylake. And the gap between Skylake and Haswell is small already (single digit).

    U downgraded.
     
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    Part of me wants to sympathize with you for wasting your money, but I just can't. You could've figured this out in less than the time it took to complete your order. You're about 3 months too early for an April 1st thread.

    ... It isn't April buuut...
     
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    Why on Earth have you replaced your HEDT platform for mainstream one? 7700K is essentially a Core i7 9xx series on steroids and with only dual channel memory. Basically a 7 years old design/arrangement with new node process and few tweaks. The 58xxK/59xxK come with more lanes, more cores and for the most part clock nearly as high. When I was buying new platform I was looking at 6700K and then decided for 5820K. It is a year later and I'd still do the same now. 6700K and 7700K are just pointless. Unless you're coming from I don't know, Pentium 4, Core 2 Duo/Quad or something actually that old. Haswell-E might be 2 years old, but it still has the grunt and it'll continue to have it for far longer than any Skylake or Kaby Lake...

    EDIT:
    I think buying a Broadwell-E refresh would make more sense. It would still be a waste of money since they aren't much better than Haswell-E, but it's at least the same design with new node process and tiny bit refreshed IPC. The loss in money would be a lot smaller including just CPU than entire platform with mobo and everything.
     
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    Upgrading from X99 to Z270 is from one side maybe and downgrade, but 100% is not upgrade.
    You had nice chance to increase life time of your platform and replace for Skylake Xtreme in the end of 2017.
    I upgrade on X chipset because I couldn't look any more new chipsets after 10 months. Here same chipset work 3 years.

    You should invest in 6850K or wait Skylake-Xtreme depend of money in pocket.
    Much better option was to evolve completely from HDD to SSD and M.2.
    Example 512GB M.2 + 1/2TB SATA III SSD.
    Or 1TB M.2 + 1TB SSD or something like that.
    That was far more important than changing platform.
    ASUS sell Intel Kaby Lake more than Intel, because nice motherboards and customers than upgrade even before time.
    I searched for some cheaper i7-6850K ES or something like that, if not I will stay on i7-5820K 4.2GHz until Skylake Xtreme, than I will sell 5820K and RVE and invest in 6 core CPU, I will need to pay only for new Rampage motherboard, that will be investment. Memory will even stay mine first 2 months until more memory models show up, than I will cross on 32GB and I change nothing until new chipset/Socket 2021.

    If you have any chance to back on X99 you should use i7-6850K OC him on 4.2GHz and that's same as i7-5930K on 4.5GHz. That's best at the moment for enthusiast because very small benefits from 8 and 10 Cores and they cost a lot. I think and Intel try to move as much possible gamers on cheaper version of X99 6 cores and 32GB of memory. That's best at the moment multi purpose platform.
     
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    Why would you downgrade from a 6-core/12-thread i7 5930K to a 4-core/8-trhread i7 7700K?

    Exactly. There's merely a 5% improvement from generation to generation because AMD was sleeping since 2012.
     
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    Maybe you should buy Broadwell-E for your X99 mobo and come right back here to complain how it's not faster than your old Haswell-E
     
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    Really guys?

    Sure he should've done his homework, but to berate him and be assholes to him, or post useless posts is pointless, rude and a waste of space. TPU is about helping others. Every single one of us has made a stupid mistake, to be a dick to someone that is advertising theirs on a forum isn't necessary by any means. Frankly he was nice enough to share his results and thoughts, along with expectations. Seems lesson learned to me.

    A little joking is one thing if you're also helping or making quality suggestions. Sure even I don't agree with seeing the 7700K/Z270 as a platform upgrade from an X99 setup, but there are better ways of telling the OP and really users doing that is part of what not only brought me to this forum, but kept me here. Many of you are fucking that up and it's getting quite old and disappointing.

    Now the OP knows the err in their ways, and shared some of their results, with Pro's and Con's even.
     
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    Frankly I am helped by @mcraygsx's predicament. I'm on a 4.2Ghz Sandy-E 3930k and 5+ years on thinking, surely a new, lightning fast KL at almost 5Ghz will be a vast improvement. This post makes me think I'll wait it out for next month for sure (Zen) and if Zen isn't great, I'll just bloody throw a big tantrum. I'd love to see a benchmark for a fleet of games from a 6 core Sandy to a 4 core Kaby at 4.4Ghz.
     
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    @mcraygsx Armored Warfare isn't optimized for shit at higher 1440p settings. I don't believe that a frame drop in that game actually means anything, since there's so much variance across different maps that a fair comparison cannot be made. Your GTX 780 Ti is definitely not cut out to push Very High / Ultra 1440p Armored Warfare. My GTX 1070 cannot do Ultra above 45 fps, and virtually no single card can. Don't blame that one on the CPU; get a better graphics card.

    I sympathize with your sentiments that Kaby Lake is a hot pile of trash on the desktop scene, but I doubt anyone with their head screwed on straight recommended that you downgrade from Haswell-E to Kaby.
     
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    worth quoting again... oy.

    And you have that.. by a couple % at the same clockspeed. Not much, but known. And you can push the 7700k to 5ghz+.

    If you use all cores, it will be close at the same clocks. Thing is, 5ghz is in the cards for retail 7700K. I bet you are close to being topped out on that 3930K.

    For games, only games which use more than 8 threads will benefit.

    I'd upgrade to kaby and never look back...or wait for zen and see what the landscape looks like at that point.
     
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