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The reviews are clear that AMD's new CPU does not game as well as everybody had hoped. AMD even posted yesterday that "There will be patches!!! Ryzen will get better!!"... Seriously.. A patch? AMD had plenty of time to put a whoppin on intel but they released something that you have to fiddle with (Turn some features off) to get it to game right. That is not something I and other want to deal with. Then there is the post about patches... WHY do you have to patch your CPU.. Did you not test it OVER AND OVER again in every aspect of what it will be used for? I am sorry, I was excited for AMD since I had used it for AGES until I went Intel right when the I7-920 was released.

It reminds me of an old mitch hedburg joke "Hey man you are a good cook but can you farm??"

*Sorry tatty I was typing my post before yours popped up*

Ryzen is an entirely new platform from the ground up, it isn't surprising at all that drivers and software need sorting out. It's only been released for 2 days!!!
 

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Hmm this thread is about a Intel 7700K though...
 

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Good point, back on topic, my bad :p
 

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Right my expectations were to get a superior single core performance out of 7700k. I am not comparing the argument of two extra cores here. .
Do you realize that other than some shitty games, you will never really face single threaded usage now a days?? Hell, even if you are playing an single threaded game and recoding a video on some threads, you wont see any effect on the game / encoding. Because the OS itself is designed to allow you multitasking instead of the pseudo stuff or time sharing that happened before.
 
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Ryzen is an entirely new platform from the ground up, it isn't surprising at all that drivers and software need sorting out. It's only been released for 2 days!!!
That's true. Anyone cursing Ryzen now isn't patient, it's too early to say Ryzen is a sub-par performer in games. We will see, and I'm still sure Ryzen is great.

Don't forget every game and even Windows is optimized to Intel / FX CPUs right now, and not really to Ryzen - only a bunch of games are running well, and in those Ryzen is comparable to even the 7700K and better CPUs of Intel (Crysis 3, BF4/BF1/Farcry 4 without SMT and especially Doom).
 
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Be patient several improvements are coming
 

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5820K is at 4.5ghz, ASUS 1080 max OC, and in a newer game like for honor, I get 200-245FPS.

Maybe the 7700K will bring the minimum up.
No.
 
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As an owner of an X99 system, I don't think it's as stupid as some think.

All fair and well OC'ing a 5820K to reach Skylake/Kaby Lake single core speeds, but an OC'd X99 chip is well known for producing the occasional blue screen of death under heavy load, stable or not (see whea_uncorrectable_error). Then there's the massive increase in power consumption for it.

I've also had trouble on my X99-S board getting the faster M.2 drives to function properly, particularly the Samsung SM951, and I hate the X99 memory training every time the system boots up (due to quad channel). It's something you can turn off granted, but it's not advisable. Speaking of which, it doesn't like those XMP profiles much with the faster speeds. The newer motherboards work flawlessly with quicker memory.

The X99 boards also don't have native USB3.1, at least the ones from 2014/2015.

I could pick all kinds of holes in it, but if i'm being brutally honest unless you are rendering, the X99 platform is a complete waste of space. I naively went from an i5-2400 to an i7-5820K expecting silly speed increases, how wrong was I. Outside of going from a 270x to a 980ti, the only real noteworthy upgrade i've stuck in my computer over the last decade was an SSD.
 
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As an owner of an X99 system, I don't think it's as stupid as some think.

All fair and well OC'ing a 5820K to reach Skylake/Kaby Lake single core speeds, but an OC'd X99 chip is well known for producing the occasional blue screen of death under heavy load, stable or not (see whea_uncorrectable_error). Then there's the massive increase in power consumption for it.

I've also had trouble on my X99-S board getting the faster M.2 drives to function properly, particularly the Samsung SM951, and I hate the X99 memory training every time the system boots up (due to quad channel). It's something you can turn off granted, but it's not advisable. Speaking of which, it doesn't like those XMP profiles much with the faster speeds. The newer motherboards work flawlessly with quicker memory.

The X99 boards also don't have native USB3.1, at least the ones from 2014/2015.

I could pick all kinds of holes in it, but if i'm being brutally honest unless you are rendering, the X99 platform is a complete waste of space. I naively went from an i5-2400 to an i7-5820K expecting silly speed increases, how wrong was I. Outside of going from a 270x to a 980ti, the only real noteworthy upgrade i've stuck in my computer over the last decade was an SSD.
That's because people overclock too much X99. Some of them keep processors 1000MHz overclocked. 8 cores even 1000+ MHz.
I thin perfect speed for i7-5820K is up to 4.2GHz. Better to overclock up to 1.200-1.250V and less chance for degradation.
I kept i7-5820K first on 4.0GHz, that's nothing for him, he worked on stock voltage, performance are 20% better on 4.0GHz.
Now I increase voltage to 1.200V both Core and Cache and Change settings to 4.2/4.0GHz and I will keep like that constantly.
Maybe and my processor could work on 4.5GHz on 1.300-1.350V but I didn't push him, this is enough until Intel X299.
Even if Intel fail with LGA2066, people with X99 have enough performance to wait Intel to develope completely new gen or eventually to think about AM4 1800X.
But if Intel launch something good than I expect X299 to be great platform. Rumors say Skylake-E up to 10 cores and Kaby Lake-E 4 cores. That mean maybe people could choose between processor for multi threaded application and CPU with 4 cores but high frequency, on same chipset. Maybe is not bad idea. But everything is in vain if Intel ask more than 300-350 for 1700X competition and more than 500-550 for 1800X competition. Higher power consumption, more expensive motherboards, many customers will turn to AMD in that case.
Intel must beat 1800X for same price, no matter how, 6 or 8 cores.
For me is X99 platform best after X58. X58 was best investment and for most people best platform in life. People still use Xeons and i7-980X. Many customers both i7-920 and later upgrade to i7-980X. Only X99 is in shadow of AMD now, but without AMD that would be premium platform 2014-2015-2016 and now is 2017. In August 2014 Intel present i7-5820K and ASUS Rampage V Extreme, they are still premium Intel platform and X99 will stay attractive and capable to keep high end hardware up to 2020. That's long life time. People have many options, price of used 8 and 10 cores will rapidly drop after Intel launch X299. Maybe Intel keep their price on Amazon and Newegg, but i7-6950X will cost soon 500$ and no one will pay single dollar over that, special if Intel move little more with LGA2066. i7-6900K and i7-6950X if replace i7-5820K and i7-5930K could seriously to prolongue life time of X99. Owners could freely to invest in some watercooling and no reason to change chipset. Not even on X299.
Overclocked i7-6900K with Cache on 4.0GHz and clock on 4.2GHz is better than best AMD option, CPU and Memory results. And owners of X99 could continue to use 3 years old platform. Only problem is Intel's price. Intel could stay competitive and with so strong AMD, only price is problem.
Their answer should be changing price on X79 level, i7-6900K to cost as i7-4930K and i7-6950X as i7-4960X, I7-6850K same as mainstream generation and i7-6800K 200$ budget variant and Intel is in game again. He dominate in memory even with 2666-3200MHz copy-write-read performance as well. Extraction, unpacking, everything is faster on X99 with overclocked Cache + Core, premium motherboards with better VRM and power section, more options.
 
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That's because people overclock too much X99. Some of them keep processors 1000MHz overclocked. 8 cores even 1000+ MHz.
I thin perfect speed for i7-5820K is up to 4.2GHz. Better to overclock up to 1.200-1.250V and less chance for degradation.
I kept i7-5820K first on 4.0GHz, that's nothing for him, he worked on stock voltage, performance are 20% better on 4.0GHz.
Now I increase voltage to 1.200V both Core and Cache and Change settings to 4.2/4.0GHz and I will keep like that constantly.
Maybe and my processor could work on 4.5GHz on 1.300-1.350V but I didn't push him, this is enough until Intel X299.
Even if Intel fail with LGA2066, people with X99 have enough performance to wait Intel to develope completely new gen or eventually to think about AM4 1800X.
But if Intel launch something good than I expect X299 to be great platform. Rumors say Skylake-E up to 10 cores and Kaby Lake-E 4 cores. That mean maybe people could choose between processor for multi threaded application and CPU with 4 cores but high frequency, on same chipset. Maybe is not bad idea. But everything is in vain if Intel ask more than 300-350 for 1700X competition and more than 500-550 for 1800X competition. Higher power consumption, more expensive motherboards, many customers will turn to AMD in that case.
Intel must beat 1800X for same price, no matter how, 6 or 8 cores.
For me is X99 platform best after X58. X58 was best investment and for most people best platform in life. People still use Xeons and i7-980X. Many customers both i7-920 and later upgrade to i7-980X. Only X99 is in shadow of AMD now, but without AMD that would be premium platform 2014-2015-2016 and now is 2017. In August 2014 Intel present i7-5820K and ASUS Rampage V Extreme, they are still premium Intel platform and X99 will stay attractive and capable to keep high end hardware up to 2020. That's long life time. People have many options, price of used 8 and 10 cores will rapidly drop after Intel launch X299. Maybe Intel keep their price on Amazon and Newegg, but i7-6950X will cost soon 500$ and no one will pay single dollar over that, special if Intel move little more with LGA2066. i7-6900K and i7-6950X if replace i7-5820K and i7-5930K could seriously to prolongue life time of X99. Owners could freely to invest in some watercooling and no reason to change chipset. Not even on X299.
Overclocked i7-6900K with Cache on 4.0GHz and clock on 4.2GHz is better than best AMD option, CPU and Memory results. And owners of X99 could continue to use 3 years old platform. Only problem is Intel's price. Intel could stay competitive and with so strong AMD, only price is problem.
Their answer should be changing price on X79 level, i7-6900K to cost as i7-4930K and i7-6950X as i7-4960X, I7-6850K same as mainstream generation and i7-6800K 200$ budget variant and Intel is in game again. He dominate in memory even with 2666-3200MHz copy-write-read performance as well. Extraction, unpacking, everything is faster on X99 with overclocked Cache + Core, premium motherboards with better VRM and power section, more options.
It would take me less time to read the full story of the Bible than your post:p

Btw, I had a nice read.
 
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It would take me less time to read the full story of the Bible than your post:p

Btw, I had a nice read.
It's only for 1/3 longer than his post.
Nobody force you to read.
 
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Right my expectations were to get a superior single core performance out of 7700k. I am not comparing the argument of two extra cores here. .
Why wouldn't you with all the tripe spoken on the internet about the 7700k s gaming prowess ?? And now some call you wtf..
Comedy abounds in Tpu land.
 
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Right my expectations were to get a superior single core performance out of 7700k.
This.

I think it will shine in the upcoming games . ashes of singularity should score more with your rig.
Keep us updated. Still nice build
 
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looks like you got punkt by all the hype...my 920 @4.4 is just as good 5 plus years ago....what did you really expect..
 
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looks like you got punkt by all the hype...my 920 @4.4 is just as good 5 plus years ago....what did you really expect..
Funny... my 486 dx4 100mhz is just as good as it was 22 years ago. That doesnt mean it can play today's games as well as the latest gen cpu.

The fact is your cpu is holding a lot of games back just because its slow compared to the latest gen or two. Your cpu places a glass ceiling on many titles without even using a high end gpu...

While your statement is true as it reads, when put in context, the chip is pretty played out. ;)

But, OP did get punked. :p
 
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Funny... my 486 dx4 100mhz is just as good as it was 22 years ago. That doesnt mean it can play today's games as well as the latest gen cpu.

The fact is your cpu is holding a lot of games back just because its slow compared to the latest gen or two. Your cpu places a glass ceiling on many titles without even using a high end gpu...

While your statement is true as it reads, when put in context, the chip is pretty played out. ;)

But, OP did get punked. :p
that chip was awesome.
 
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Should have waited for Ryzen. The 7700K gets you an imperceivable FPS boost that you won't see with anything but a 240 Hz monitor. Ryzen will give you a boost in literally everything but games and that''s only for now as we sure as heck know games are going to require more cores over time. The only acceptable reason to be buying a 7700K right now is if you are a hardcore / pro gamer. For everyone else, Ryzen is the best choice not just for it's all around performance now but because it absolutely crushes the 7700K in the future thanks to it's additional cores. Being able to drop in Zen+ and Zen++ into the same mobo is a nice thing to note.
 
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I'm curious, why go from a X99 to Z270?
The small percentage is just not going to be noticeable in every day usage. Unless, there were features on the Z270 you wanted.

Heck, I have several CPUs. Some of them hardly have a difference unless you doing some crazy work loads on them. There are far greater difference in features on the motherboard.
 
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#96
I'm curious, why go from a X99 to Z270?
The small percentage is just not going to be noticeable in every day usage. Unless, there were features on the Z270 you wanted.

Heck, I have several CPUs. Some of them hardly have a difference unless you doing some crazy work loads on them. There are far greater difference in features on the motherboard.
I'd never step down from a ~more or less same gen X platform to a Z platform. I even prefer X79 compared to Z270. For obvious reasons.
 
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...thought this was a joke....
 
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#98
I'd never step down from a ~more or less same gen X platform to a Z platform. I even prefer X79 compared to Z270. For obvious reasons.
You own it. :)

If one uses all the cores (read more than 4), that stance makes sense. But the gap between them isnt as big as one may think either...if tbere is still one. There are four generations of incremental IPC improvements totaling 20%-25% clock for clock. Then the 7700k is a 5ghz chip versus say, a 4.5ghz 3960x... Way less power use, dont need the non-existent improvements quad core ram brings, modern technology like nvme (or if you get a pcie card, booting from nvme), native usb3.1....etc. :)
 
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#99
You own it. :)

If one uses all the cores (read more than 4), that stance makes sense. But the gap between them isnt as big as one may think either...if tbere is still one. There are four generations of incremental IPC improvements totaling 20%-25% clock for clock. Then the 7700k is a 5ghz chip versus say, a 4.5ghz 3960x... Way less power use, dont need the non-existent improvements quad core ram brings, modern technology like nvme (or if you get a pcie card, booting from nvme), native usb3.1....etc. :)
Its true, if someone offered me a free 7700K i would probably go for it. Then again my 3960X clocks higher than 5GHz if I'd care to do it. But I'm not into retarded overclocks for long term usage. My statement wasn't meant like that however. In the end I don't get a free 7700K and buying it to replace my 3960X is simply not worth it. Atm. I'm still fine, though I get a GPU upgrade soon and I'm curious if it will be fine with the 3960X at 4.5GHz. That said I plan to use it for a few years at least, maybe 4 years tops. Maybe Ryzen II is a thing then, the alternative would be to buy a Intel 8 core on a future X platform (I don't like the mainstream platform, again for obvious reasons).
 
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I doubt there are many 5ghz 24/7 3960x out there...just talking 24/7 clocks.

Anyhoo, i get your point... reading between the lines you use all those cores i guess. :)

Youll have the same minor glass ceiling any SB based cpu has with a highdr end gpu. More cores wont help that. ;)