Upgrade to LGA 2011v3 from Lynnfield LGA 1156

[kriegalex]

Hi,

I'm actually running an aging i5 750 with a P7P55D with a GTX 780 Ti. The MB is running at full defaults parameters (I can't even put my RAM to 1666Mhz with XMP profile), so I was thinking that it's time for an upgrade.

The big question is : is LGA 2011v3 worth the investment ? I've seen tons of reviews and most games don't seem to gain from 6 cores and even 2x SLI/CF don't benefit from the 40 lanes because GPU run at same perfs at 8x or 8x/8x compared to 16x or 16x/16x (PCIE 3.0).

But those reviews don't really answer to the question : will the two extra cores better my gaming (or overall) experience in the sense that the game will use let's say 4 cores and others tasks can use the two extra cores (streaming, headsets with usb audio that uses CPU, video, vocals, ...). There is also the fact that hexacores will still be OK in a few years when 6 cores will be mainstream.

In the case that LGA2011v3 is still worth it, is there any reason to take the 5930K ? As I said reviews say that extra PCIE lanes don't benefit GPU perfs (unless maybe using more than 2 GPUs).

Best regards

 

[R00kie]

Depends on what your main focus is:
games - no, not really.
Streaming, video editing/encoding - definite yes.

 

[GhostRyder]

Hi,

I'm actually running an aging i5 750 with a P7P55D with a GTX 780 Ti. The MB is running at full defaults parameters (I can't even put my RAM to 1666Mhz with XMP profile), so I was thinking that it's time for an upgrade.

The big question is : is LGA 2011v3 worth the investment ? I've seen tons of reviews and most games don't seem to gain from 6 cores and even 2x SLI/CF don't benefit from the 40 lanes because GPU run at same perfs at 8x or 8x/8x compared to 16x or 16x/16x (PCIE 3.0).

But those reviews don't really answer to the question : will the two extra cores better my gaming (or overall) experience in the sense that the game will use let's say 4 cores and others tasks can use the two extra cores (streaming, headsets with usb audio that uses CPU, video, vocals, ...). There is also the fact that hexacores will still be OK in a few years when 6 cores will be mainstream.

In the case that LGA2011v3 is still worth it, is there any reason to take the 5930K ? As I said reviews say that extra PCIE lanes don't benefit GPU perfs (unless maybe using more than 2 GPUs).

Best regards

Well as far as upgrading you will see a performance difference that is for sure from going Lynnfield all the way to Haswell-E in games and apps because of the increased clock speed, overclocking potential, and single threaded performance.

Now is it worth investing in for your situation? Well that depends on what you want to do and by the sound of it that involves gaming and things like streaming. You may be better off just going LGA 1150 in your situation depending on your budget because you may not notice some extreme differences especially if your not using more than 2 GPU's or do not use heavily threaded applications that take advantage of the cores. As far as the PCI-E lanes are concerned, depending on the slot you use on the LGA 2011v3 motherboard you can run (On a 5930K or 5960X) 2 cards at 16x PCIE 3.0 speeds or up to 4 cards with 1 running 16 and the others running at 8 times speeds. The difference however is none because PCI-E 3 at 8x is not saturated even on the highest of systems so that makes no difference in reality.

That being said, for your needs if you want to just be a bit more future proof and do not mind spending the extra it maybe wise to look at a decently priced LGA2011v3 board and a i7 5820K. With that chip you get the 6 cores and 12 threads with some good overclocking but with less PCI-E Lanes (24 which is enough for up to 3 video cards). That would be beneficial with concerns to streaming and you will notice some more gaming performance because of the new processor and its better single threaded performance especially if you overclock it.

I would say the best thing to do is formulate a budget and decide how long you want to keep it and what you want to do overall because the extra cores do help out in applications and on multi-tasking but for games it is very dependent on the games since almost no games utilize beyond even 4 cores properly (BF4 is one of the few that makes a valid effort at it). I can safely say I love my new 5930K system and it runs everything really well with no hesitation, but its because I also use a lot of heavily threaded applications and not just gaming.

 

[kriegalex]

I would say the best thing to do is formulate a budget and decide how long you want to keep it and what you want to do overall [...].

Well my budget is not limited in the sense that if I want the LGA2011v3 I just have to wait 1-3 more months, so it's just a question of patience here

Taking in account your responses and knowing that my PC will in general be more game oriented I have reformulated the question :

Will a 4770K/4790K produce less FPS let's say in recent games like BF4 if my G930 wireless headset is using the CPU (usb audio), while I'm watching something on twitch in 1080p with some vocal running (TS3, Mumble, ...) and 3-4 other basic stuff (browser, ...). This is a basic example, just to have some context. I know that right know with Lynnfield, I can observe less FPS when too much stuff is running alongside the game.

I would say FPS won't be affected with more recent CPUs because games are generally GPU limited and not CPU limited but I'm not sure of that.

 

[GhostRyder]

Well my budget is not limited in the sense that if I want the LGA2011v3 I just have to wait 1-3 more months, so it's just a question of patience here

Taking in account your responses and knowing that my PC will in general be more game oriented I have reformulated the question :

Will a 4770K/4790K produce less FPS let's say in recent games like BF4 if my G930 wireless headset is using the CPU (usb audio), while I'm watching something on twitch in 1080p with some vocal running (TS3, Mumble, ...) and 3-4 other basic stuff (browser, ...). This is a basic example, just to have some context. I know that right know with Lynnfield, I can observe less FPS when too much stuff is running alongside the game.

I would say FPS won't be affected with more recent CPUs because games are generally GPU limited and not CPU limited but I'm not sure of that.

Well I cannot account for every scenario but I can safely say you would not experience a difference between the two in that scenario because none of that would be enough to hurt an i7 4790K or 59XX series processor. If you do a lot of streaming you might notice a little difference but even then I would think that would fall within the margin of error or be very low significance that it might not formulate the extra cost of the platform. One thing to also note is that the 4790K starts higher clocked so depending on if you are going to overclock that is something to think about as well.

My advice to you is if you want to make sure your future proof for awhile, can ignore the extra costs of ram, boards and CPU, and want to overclock then it maybe the best option to grab a 5820K and pick a board from there (There is the MSI Gaming 9AC which is a bit pricey but has a game streaming engine that may be helpful to you) with some of the cheapest ram. However I would say if that it maybe better for you to save the money and get the 4790K and put it somewhere else because I think either way you will end up with the same life expectancy (The 5820K may last longer if games really start being heavily threaded).

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

If you want to spend money go with X99, but in almost any gaming scenario, it will not offer a sizable performance advantage. Now, as @GhostRyder says X99 should be somewhat more future proof than Z97, but not really by much. The performance benefits of DDR4 will still take a few years to show significantly, and a 4790k already has very good multi-threaded performance.

 

[XSI]

guys i really like quality answers in this forum. unless some trolls come in many good advices are given and for various situation. One of the best techforums on the net. its not of toppic i just agree with your commens.

 

[bubbleawsome]

IMO the 5820k would be with it for streaming while gaming.

I say that because my i7 could handle streaming ok but slowed way down if I tried to use obs to twitch and more than 1 other core. It did boost bin down to 3.4Ghz vs 3.6 though. My 4670k at 4.3Ghz also struggles. It seems to be a balance between cores and single threaded performance. The 5820k is a nice balance there.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Yup, but you can use a GPU to encode now, so the advantage is negated. That said, yes, for X264 CPU encoding, the 5820k is a great option.

 

[brandonwh64]

I seen a decent boost from a AMD Phenom II 965BE to a I7-920 to a I7-2600K so yea you should see a nice boost in frames depending on the GPU

 

[cadaveca]

Hi,

I'm actually running an aging i5 750 with a P7P55D with a GTX 780 Ti. The MB is running at full defaults parameters (I can't even put my RAM to 1666Mhz with XMP profile), so I was thinking that it's time for an upgrade.

The big question is : is LGA 2011v3 worth the investment ? I've seen tons of reviews and most games don't seem to gain from 6 cores and even 2x SLI/CF don't benefit from the 40 lanes because GPU run at same perfs at 8x or 8x/8x compared to 16x or 16x/16x (PCIE 3.0).

But those reviews don't really answer to the question : will the two extra cores better my gaming (or overall) experience in the sense that the game will use let's say 4 cores and others tasks can use the two extra cores (streaming, headsets with usb audio that uses CPU, video, vocals, ...). There is also the fact that hexacores will still be OK in a few years when 6 cores will be mainstream.

In the case that LGA2011v3 is still worth it, is there any reason to take the 5930K ? As I said reviews say that extra PCIE lanes don't benefit GPU perfs (unless maybe using more than 2 GPUs).

Best regards

Yes, more than 2 GPUs can benefit from the PCIe difference. Will the upgrade increase your GPUs performance? YES. Will 4790K and Z97 board do nearly as well, for less money, maybe? YES. X99 is more meant for those using more than 2 PCIE cards, whether GPUs or RAID cards, for single GPU, you should get Z97 platform, IMHO.

 

[kriegalex]

I've done the math, my upgrade with a PC Big Tower (high quality one) costs me 935$ for CPU+MB+Tower for Z97 and 1088$ for X99 (same CPU+MB+Tower) which isn't a big difference. BUT in the second case I have to rebuy RAM because of the DDR4 change so it adds another 340$ for a total of 1422$. Reading your advices, I'll go for a Z97 setup (500$ saved) and if someday I decide to frequently stream, I'll buy some good external capture card For the rest, I'm pretty sure that the 4790K will do the job for multi-tasking. And the games will surely love the 4.0 Ghz default clock. Thanks for your opinions.

 

[cadaveca]

If you are streaming full-time, invest the extra cash, since the extra cores will help in the long run. If not, don't bother, IMHO. Haswell_E is Oc'ing pretty decently too, so the default clock of whatever platform you get doesn't have to be what you are stick at. Every 4790K will do 4.4 GHz on all cores with decent aftermarket cooling, if not more, but maybe some Haswell-E get stuck at that 4.4 GHz mark. Hasn't been long enough and I haven't seen enough Haswell-E results to get a decent idea about overall CPU quality as of yet.

I did lots of Z97 reviews, couple more still coming, and working on X99...X99 IS faster overall, no doubt. It's the same CPU core design as X97 platform, with added cache to support the added cores, plus DDR4 is pretty good, too, if you get top-end stuff. And now is the time to buy Haswell-E for fairly decent CPUs since it's still fresh on the market, but in a months time, that may change. 4790K seems to have improved a little bit since launch, but maybe that's just better tuning of the BIOSes for Z97 boards since launch.

 

[kriegalex]

Hi everyone,

Sorry to bring this thread back from dead but it's simpler than creating a new one just to say what I did finally.

I now own a Gigabyte X99 Gaming 7 with a Core i7 5820K, 16 GB of DDR4 2666Mhz and a GTX 980. I finally decided to wait, save money and buy something rock solid that would last a few years.

I saw a big improvement in gaming in the sense that now I throw everything at "ultra" without even asking myself if it will be ok and I always have more than decent FPS in all games. As a precise example, I can now play Shadow of Mordor with HD content pack in max setting with 91 FPS average where before I had to turn to High settings without HD pack and I don't think I had more than 60 average.

For the most interesting part, multitasking, it's a blast : I can have Teamspeak running, while streaming my game, watching someone play on Twitch, with music running and a 1080p youtube video and of course the game, and the 5820K doesn't even care ^^

So I can only advise everyone to buy a 5820K if you can afford it and if you want a smooth multitasking experience and not only having a single video game fullscreen and nothing else. I know that a i7 4790K would probably handle far more than a simple video game process, but with the Haswell-E you have headroom for the future.

 

[GhostRyder]

Hi everyone,

Sorry to bring this thread back from dead but it's simpler than creating a new one just to say what I did finally.

I now own a Gigabyte X99 Gaming 7 with a Core i7 5820K, 16 GB of DDR4 2666Mhz and a GTX 980. I finally decided to wait, save money and buy something rock solid that would last a few years.

I saw a big improvement in gaming in the sense that now I throw everything at "ultra" without even asking myself if it will be ok and I always have more than decent FPS in all games. As a precise example, I can now play Shadow of Mordor with HD content pack in max setting with 91 FPS average where before I had to turn to High settings without HD pack and I don't think I had more than 60 average.

For the most interesting part, multitasking, it's a blast : I can have Teamspeak running, while streaming my game, watching someone play on Twitch, with music running and a 1080p youtube video and of course the game, and the 5820K doesn't even care ^^

So I can only advise everyone to buy a 5820K if you can afford it and if you want a smooth multitasking experience and not only having a single video game fullscreen and nothing else. I know that a i7 4970K would probably handle far more than a simple video game process, but with the Haswell-E you have headroom for the future.

Well I am glad you selected something you are happy with. Make sure to overclock the 5820K so you can keep all games maxed and have it keep up with everything as it starts pretty low on the clocks.

That is the fun of Haswell-E (Or any of the X series chipsets and processors that accompany it) is having the extra cores to handle whatever you throw at it. I do lots of multitasking and 4K gaming on my system with the 5930K and the processor yawns most of the time (GPU's are normally the thing screaming at me). I hope you enjoy your system!

 

[buffyvpsfan]

I've been also thinking about getting an x99 motherboard and i7 5820k as well. ddr4 memory and I've heard the new motherboards feature better ssd support than my old i7 2600k on my p67 motherboard. any advice for me on that as well would be greatly appreciated??

 

[kriegalex]

I've been also thinking about getting an x99 motherboard and i7 5820k as well. ddr4 memory and I've heard the new motherboards feature better ssd support than my old i7 2600k on my p67 motherboard. any advice for me on that as well would be greatly appreciated??

If you can afford it or can wait to have the little extra it costs versus Z97, then definitively go for it, especially if you want a long lasting system. It will handle whatever you will throw at it except perhaps more than 2 graphic cards in which case a 5930K is better because it has 40 PCIE lanes.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Definitely. The only reason I'm going with a Z97 system over a X99 is because I wanted (almost to the point of needed) an ITX system. That said, if I were in the position of upgrading from a 2600k, I would not really see much necessity in shelling out the cash at this point. M.2 SSDs are still way overpriced and the same can be said for DDR4. Unless you are running a lot of SATA SSDs (like more than 4)

 

[Vario]

Yes, if system was any newer I'd say no but from 1156 is a good jump to 2011v3.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Yes, if system was any newer I'd say no but from 1156 is a good jump to 2011v3.

I agree, and I own 1156 and 2011(X79) systems