Upgraded my 8800GT to a HD4850. More a downgrade !

[niko084]

Want something you can even remotely compare with...

Run Vantage and turn PhysX acceleration OFF.

3dmark06 automatically counts in extra points from physx on the newer nvidia cards..

The 4850 is between 5-30% faster than the 8800GT, overclocked my 4850 has done better than stock GTX260 216s...

As said before... Benchmarking is for queens... It's like having a 600hp/400ftlb motorcycle.... Seriously dyno queen.

 

[aCid888*]

the cards are completely equal in gaming. and i do mean equal - at stock speeds they're a dead heat, and while the 260 tends to OC better it also costs more.


The OP just made a mistake in trusting 3dmark. that is all. you cant compare nvidia to ATI in those programs, because nvidia cheat a lot more in them than ATI do.

Thank you for being unbiased.


Oh and for the record, newtekie, the single 4870 was benched with the E8400 @ 4.75GHz and the 9800GTX+ was benched with the same exact system with the E8400 @ 4.5GHz and it still pulled more points...explain this as its obvious the GTX+ is a lesser card...also obvious nVidia benches better.

 

[MoonPig]

I've had 3 4870s and 1 GTX260. It took the GTX260 to be clocked to (756MHz Core, and 1224MHz Memory) to win in games. Even then their both over 60fps, so the difference is pointless.

Benchmarks mean shit all, their just a way for people to create an e-penis online. It matters if you can play the games you own with your card. I got my GTX260 so i could play all my games at 1920x1080 with high and very high setting, not so i could boast about 5 stupid numbers online to gain e-friends.

nVidia always wins in these benchmarks, games are what matter.

 

[newtekie1]

Thank you for being unbiased.


Oh and for the record, newtekie, the single 4870 was benched with the E8400 @ 4.75GHz and the 9800GTX+ was benched with the same exact system with the E8400 @ 4.5GHz and it still pulled more points...explain this as its obvious the GTX+ is a lesser card...also obvious nVidia benches better.

Yep, entirely possible, which again is why I said I would put more weight in a real game benchmark than 3DMark. However, your statement was about all benchmarks, why are you focussed so much on just 3DMark? I've already said 3Dmark isn't as important...

 

[wiak]

do a reinstall and install latest ati drivers http://game.amd.com and tell us again

 

[aCid888*]

I was trying to be relevant to the OP...he was believing 3dMark so I thought I'd point out they often lie about what card is faster.

 

[newtekie1]

But you groups all benchmarks in your statement? Which is why I responded correcting you. Why not just say 3DMark in your original statement and make it correct???

3Dmark is borderline with meaning nothing, but not all benchmarks in general.

 

[Mussels]

i'm going to provide a little summary for you guys.

Side A: Nvidia benches faster! hooray!
Side B: Nvidia benches faster... but games are the same, so who cares

any more petty arguing after this, will result in me glaring at you in a scary manner. You dont want that.

 

[newtekie1]

I fit into neither of those sides...

I'm such a non-conformist!

My side: nVidia benches better in synthetic benchmarks...but in real world games/benchmarks the difference between the GTX260 and HD4870 is so close it doesn't fucking matter...

 

[niko084]

Well being this is getting heated I'll add another opinion!

SIS / VIA / MATROX / 3dfx / Intel FTW

You Ati and Nvidia suckers!

 

[aCid888*]

Matrox is based about 15 minutes away from me yet I own nothing of theirs.

My side: nVidia benches better in synthetic benchmarks...but in real world games/benchmarks the difference between the GTX260 and HD4870 is so close it doesn't fucking matter...

Exactly, so long as it plays the game I want its all good.

 

[Mussels]

I fit into neither of those sides...

I'm such a non-conformist!

My side: nVidia benches better in synthetic benchmarks...but in real world games/benchmarks the difference between the GTX260 and HD4870 is so close it doesn't fucking matter...

that would be the side B i mentioned.

 

[niko084]

Exactly, so long as it plays the game I want its all good.

That's the idea... That's exactly why I still have my lonely 4850, it plays Crysis well enough @ 1920x1080 to play it, no AA/AF but it's good enough for multiplayer *25-35fps* not "great" but for the cost to get any better and make it noticeable it's not worth it.

COD4, COH are the two main games I play anymore... Plays those without even considering a hiccup.

Had this card since it's release.

Keep your new 4850 for awhile, personally I probably would have just hung onto the 8800GT for a bit yet but now that you have your upgrade keep it, don't ever stress benchmark numbers, if your games are playable great, I don't bother upgrading if I can't spend under $200 or so and get 20-30% across the boards with video cards, I know people who spend $1500-$2000 a year on new cards, it's ridiculous.

 

[wiak]

9800 GT aka renamed 8800 GT
HD 4850 is a downclocked gddr3 mem/core version of RV770 and the 4850 was meant to be a competitor to 9800 GTX aka 8800 GTX

 

[Mussels]

9800GTX and 8800GTX are totally different cards wiak. the 9800GTX is based off the 8800GTS G92, not the GTX G80

 

[wiak]

9800GTX and 8800GTX are totally different cards wiak. the 9800GTX is based off the 8800GTS G92, not the GTX G80

still a rename

 

[Mussels]

still a rename

yes, but you quoted the wrong card.

 

[vega22]

people still under estimate the 8800 gtx, i had one and at low res it was beaten by cheaper cards but once you up the res to 1080 or above and it really comes into its own and leaves those cheaper cards stuttering along in a slideshow.

@op

wrong bench to try and find out, imo 3d mark 05 would be a more even playing field but im sure others will disagree. its all about engines tho, some suit nv while others are more for ati, same with benchies. best way is to try and find out what you play with the most and use those to base your findings as thats what really matters.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Why does everyone come down on benches? I rather enjoy trying to get a higher score. I don't try and beat anyone but my old score. I treat benches like a score of a game. The better my score with a given set of hardware marks how much knowledge I've gained about said hardware.

Unlike other people on this forum I do not pretend to know everything and benches help me with my learning, trials, and tests. All in the pursuit of knowledge. E-peen has nothing to do with it. If that were the case I would just buy a rig that would smoke everything on this forum. Believe me I could.

But what good would that do? What would that teach me? Benches are a good thing. You guys shouldn't be so biased against them.

 

[Darren]

This thread is becoming stupid, the only person we should be disagreeing with is Qubit for being a fan boy and troll. Lets just end this argument now, the GTX 260 and 4870 are equivalent in performance.

GTX260 192 core = ATI 4870 512 MB
GTX260 216 core = ATI 4870 1 GB

Argument over, I do not want to hear any more of this BS guys.

 

[newtekie1]

still a rename

Not really. The 8800GTS 512MB and 9800GTX were different cards. They used the same G92 core with the same configuration, but the similarities ended there. The 9800GTX spec called for 0.8ns memory, while the 8800GTS used 1.0ns. You would be lucky get an 8800GTS's memory clocks to even match the 9800GTX's stock clocks.

On top of that, the 8800GTS used a 3+1 Power Phase setup, while the 9800GTX used a 4+2 setup. IIRC

And then there was Tri-SLi.

 

[Mussels]

Why does everyone come down on benches? I rather enjoy trying to get a higher score. I don't try and beat anyone but my old score. I treat benches like a score of a game. The better my score with a given set of hardware marks how much knowledge I've gained about said hardware.

Unlike other people on this forum I do not pretend to know everything and benches help me with my learning, trials, and tests. All in the pursuit of knowledge. E-peen has nothing to do with it. If that were the case I would just buy a rig that would smoke everything on this forum. Believe me I could.

But what good would that do? What would that teach me? Benches are a good thing. You guys shouldn't be so biased against them.

benchmarks are useful when tweaking a PC to get its score higher - you have an apples to apples comparison.

When you have ATI vs Nvidia, where one scores far, far higher in the benchmark but NOT in other programs... then its apples to oranges. its incomparable, and therefore becomes useless.

Its like comparing systems based on 3dmark06 score - so much of the total score comes from the CPU, that merely adding an extra CPU core or two would have users beleive the system is 20, or even 30% more powerful - when in fact, in most (95%) games its 0% faster.

Not really. The 8800GTS 512MB and 9800GTX were different cards. They used the same G92 core with the same configuration, but the similarities ended there. The 9800GTX spec called for 0.8ns memory, while the 8800GTS used 1.0ns. You would be lucky get an 8800GTS's memory clocks to even match the 9800GTX's stock clocks.

On top of that, the 8800GTS used a 3+1 Power Phase setup, while the 9800GTX used a 4+2 setup. IIRC

And then there was Tri-SLi.

Indeed. the 8800GTS (G92) was never a 'rename' - they DID up the specs for that one. The 8800GTX (G80) has never been rebadged either - monster of a card.

Dont forget that there is two 9800GTX variants, the plus model exists as well. I beleive the 9800GTX was just the faster ram, while the plus model included extra phases and a die shrink (not 100% sure on what model had what changes)

 

[shadee1337]

Well I could've told you the 8800GT was better But seriously, nvidia cards seem to run significantly cooler than ATI's do, just ask soylent joe about his 4870 (we both call it the piece of shit) It's not really about fanboyism it's more about common sense.

 

[Darren]

Well I could've told you the 8800GT was better But seriously, nvidia cards seem to run significantly cooler than ATI's do, just ask soylent joe about his 4870 (we both call it the piece of shit) It's not really about fanboyism it's more about common sense.

So if you are saying that the 8800 GT is better than the 4870, does that mean that you are also saying that the 8800 GT is better than the GTX260?

 

[shadee1337]

So if you are saying that the 8800 GT is better than the 4870, does that mean that you are also saying that the 8800 GT is better than the GTX260?

No that's not what I was talking about, I was talking about my experience with temps with ATI cards and NVIDIA cards but what do I know I don't have 40,000 posts.