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I've been building Intel motherboard for several years and AMD builds where decades ago with the AMD K6-2. So it's been awhile since i built an AMD system. I was wondering if this board will support the new AMD processors that are coming out, not sure if they are 9000's series or AI 300, if they are for mobil devices or laptops or desktops. How fast does the ram need to be if it's for only a regular AMD processor and not for those ones that have a large amount of cache; X3D. I know it does somewhat matter for Intel processors, but don't have a clue for AMD. I think that board is solid. Will probably go with a PCIe 5x4 M.2 drive before next year from this PCIe 4.0 which this board supports. Just not sure if it's going to bring the performance down from x16 to x8 on the video card or not when you do install a PCIe 5.0x4 on the motherboard. Not sure about this one either, i did glance at the tech portion, didn't notice anything like other Intel boards have issues with. Just let me know what you think about that motherboard at the bottom of my post and which memory i should go with when purchasing the new Ryzen processors coming out next month. Thanks in advance.

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Having issues figuring out what i need, how fast, what is compatible; 6000Mhz, or 8000Mhz, or does it even matter with the new AMD Processor coming around July or with AMD processors in general compared to Intel Processors?
 
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Hi,
I've been building Intel motherboard for several years and AMD builds where decades ago with the AMD K6-2. So it's been awhile since i built an AMD system. I was wondering if this board will support the new AMD processors that are coming out, not sure if they are 9000's series or AI 300, if they are for mobil devices or laptops or desktops. How fast does the ram need to be if it's for only a regular AMD processor and not for those ones that have a large amount of cache; X3D. I know it does somewhat matter for Intel processors, but don't have a clue for AMD. I think that board is solid. Will probably go with a PCIe 5x4 M.2 drive before next year from this PCIe 4.0 which this board supports. Just not sure if it's going to bring the performance down from x16 to x8 on the video card or not when you do install a PCIe 5.0x4 on the motherboard. Not sure about this one either, i did glance at the tech portion, didn't notice anything like other Intel boards have issues with. Just let me know what you think about that motherboard at the bottom of my post and which memory i should go with when purchasing the new Ryzen processors coming out next month. Thanks in advance.

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Having issues figuring out what i need, how fast, what is compatible; 6000Mhz, or 8000Mhz, or does it even matter with the new AMD Processor coming around July or with AMD processors in general compared to Intel Processors?
It will most likely support Ryzen 9000. However it will be up to ASUS to release a BIOS update that allows compatibility with the new CPUs. Though they are highly, highly likely to do so, pretty much certainly.

Currently the memory "sweet spot" for Ryzen 7000 is DDR5-6000 with timings as fast/low as your budget allows, however whether or not this will increase to something like DDR5-6600 With Ryzen 9000 I'm not certain, maybe someone else can chime in with that info. You ideally want the memory clock and infinity fabric clock in sync for lowest latency and highest system responsiveness (which in Ryzen 7000's case is DDR5-6000, or memory and fabric both running at 3000MHz) whereas with Intel I believe it's still "as fast as possible is best", though I've been out of the Intel space since the 4790K so I might be out of date here.

As for the NVMe drive, adding a PCIe 5.0 x4 drive will not drop the lane count on the GPU with that board, you can simultaneously run a PCIe 5.0 x4 drive and PCIe 4.0 x16 GPU without issue. If you want some more details comparing AM5 chipsets TPU has an excellent chart here. B650 does not support PCIe 5.0 x4 in it's base spec, but it looks like ASUS opted into the feature for this board as detailed on the specs page of the board and on the chipset chart.

Overall that board looks like a solid choice, however the only catch is you will need to update the BIOS to enable compatibility with Ryzen 9000, so if you have a Microcenter nearby, maybe see if they'd give you a loaner Ryzen 7000 CPU so you can boot into the BIOS initially just to get it updated for Ryzen 9000. One of my buddies did this quite a while ago to get a 5800X3D up and running on a B550 board and they let him use a 5600X for a day and return it to the helpdesk after he was done.

If I've got anything wrong here, I'm sure it won't be long until someone jumps in and very kindly corrects me and gets you the right info :laugh: Good luck with the build! There's definitely never been a better time to give AMD a shot. Arrow Lake definitely looks interesting especially with how they've reworked the E-cores and Thread Director, however Zen 5 is going to be a powerhouse no matter how you cut it. Very, very excited to see what they do with the 9800X3D (or whatever they decide to call it).
 
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You're definitely right about updating the bios before purchasing whichever one of the new AMD processors i'm going to get. I actually left that idea right out of my head, thanks for letting me know about the issues that would cause. So the memory speed could be different compared to the present AMD processors. I'm sure the reviews will come before the July release. So what is the difference between XMP, EXPO, or whatever those other ones are for the AMD? The board seems to support faster memory like the 8000MHz+, but not sure how that will provide any benefit specially going with one of the new X3D chips.
 

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Currently the memory "sweet spot" for Ryzen 7000 is DDR5-6000 with timings as fast/low as your budget allows, however whether or not this will increase to something like DDR5-6600 With Ryzen 9000 I'm not certain, maybe someone else can chime in with that info. You ideally want the memory clock and infinity fabric clock in sync for lowest latency and highest system responsiveness (which in Ryzen 7000's case is DDR5-6000, or memory and fabric both running at 3000MHz) whereas with Intel I believe it's still "as fast as possible is best", though I've been out of the Intel space since the 4790K so I might be out of date here.
Anyone who actually knows is under NDA. I don't, so my guess DDR5-6400 will be the new 6000 for the 9000 series. This is based on The Zen1, Zen1+, 2 and 3 where each CPU generation got a little bit more from DDR4.
 
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@Dyno Asus has already released (at least preliminary) support for Ryzen 9000 on that board.

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Yes, i'm aware of this, but what if the board i buy from wherever doesn't have that particular bios update?
 
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Yes, i'm aware of this, but what if the board i buy from wherever doesn't have that particular bios update?
You can copy the BIOS file to a USB stick, insert it into a specific USB port on the back of the motherboard and there's a button to flash directly from USB with no need to have a CPU or RAM installed in the board.
 
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You're definitely right about updating the bios before purchasing whichever one of the new AMD processors i'm going to get. I actually left that idea right out of my head, thanks for letting me know about the issues that would cause. So the memory speed could be different compared to the present AMD processors. I'm sure the reviews will come before the July release. So what is the difference between XMP, EXPO, or whatever those other ones are for the AMD? The board seems to support faster memory like the 8000MHz+, but not sure how that will provide any benefit specially going with one of the new X3D chips.
Both XMP and EXPO are memory overclocking profiles, with XMP being Intel's spec and EXPO being AMD's. Basically just loading the DIMMs with predefined clock and timing profiles that are, at least ideally, guaranteed to work on their respective platforms. In a basic sense, when you see memory advertised as "DDR5-6400 CL32" You'll only be able to reach those speeds by loading that specific XMP/EXPO profile in the BIOS. Otherwise the memory will run at stock JEDEC standard speeds, which are abysmally slow because they're meant to be very widely compatible settings, not tuned for performance.

It's true that AMD's X3D chips (to a degree) do not require very fast memory in order to extract the bulk of performance out of them. However I would definitely advise that you buy memory that falls within that "sweet spot" or 1:1 coupled mode for the Infinity Fabric latency benefits. For Zen 3 it was DDR4-3600, Zen 4's is DDR5-6000, Zen 5 might be DDR5-6400 as mentioned by ir_cow. All this means is that you want the memory clock synced up with the Infinity Fabric clock in order to get some nice latency reductions. It's hard to explain briefly but Tom's Hardware did a good writeup for Ryzen 5000 you can read here to understand the nuts and bolts of it if you'd like. If you're planning on an X3D chip for this build, I would buy whatever the sweet spot memory speed is for Ryzen 9000, and try and get the timings as fast/low as possible to supplement the latency benefit of coupled mode. For example, for my 5800X3D build I opted for DDR4-3600, which in the grand scheme of things isn't very fast memory, but I run it in 1:1 coupled mode with my IF clock (1800MHz) and with pretty tight 14-14-14-34 timings to further enhance the latency benefits of 1:1 mode.

In a nutshell, the memory "meta" for the AMD X3D chips revolves primarily around latency instead of speed after getting the memory clock synced up with the IF clock.
 
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Both XMP and EXPO are memory overclocking profiles, with XMP being Intel's spec and EXPO being AMD's. Basically just loading the DIMMs with predefined clock and timing profiles that are, at least ideally, guaranteed to work on their respective platforms. In a basic sense, when you see memory advertised as "DDR5-6400 CL32" You'll only be able to reach those speeds by loading that specific XMP/EXPO profile in the BIOS. Otherwise the memory will run at stock JEDEC standard speeds, which are abysmally slow because they're meant to be very widely compatible settings, not tuned for performance.

It's true that AMD's X3D chips (to a degree) do not require very fast memory in order to extract the bulk of performance out of them. However I would definitely advise that you buy memory that falls within that "sweet spot" or 1:1 coupled mode for the Infinity Fabric latency benefits. For Zen 3 it was DDR4-3600, Zen 4's is DDR5-6000, Zen 5 might be DDR5-6400 as mentioned by ir_cow. All this means is that you want the memory clock synced up with the Infinity Fabric clock in order to get some nice latency reductions. It's hard to explain briefly but Tom's Hardware did a good writeup for Ryzen 5000 you can read here to understand the nuts and bolts of it if you'd like. If you're planning on an X3D chip for this build, I would buy whatever the sweet spot memory speed is for Ryzen 9000, and try and get the timings as fast/low as possible to supplement the latency benefit of coupled mode. For example, for my 5800X3D build I opted for DDR4-3600, which in the grand scheme of things isn't very fast memory, but I run it in 1:1 coupled mode with my IF clock (1800MHz) and with pretty tight 14-14-14-34 timings to further enhance the latency benefits of 1:1 mode.

In a nutshell, the memory "meta" for the AMD X3D chips revolves primarily around latency instead of speed after getting the memory clock synced up with the IF clock.
I've hardly noticed any of those timings 1:1 with Intel. Is it only with AMD? I remember a decade ago 1:1 was the thing to do, but can't remember if it was with my Intel cpu's or amd. I haven't done any of that for awhile. Do you run some sort of program/application/utility or is it done from the bios?
 
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I've hardly noticed any of those timings 1:1 with Intel. Is it only with AMD? I remember a decade ago 1:1 was the thing to do, but can't remember if it was with my Intel cpu's or amd. I haven't done any of that for awhile. Do you run some sort of program/application/utility or is it done from the bios?
Only a quirk with AMD's memory subsystem at this point. When the infinity fabric and memory clocks are out of sync a large latency penalty is incurred. This essentially creates a latency/performance deadband after that "sweet spot" number where the IF and memory clocks sync up. All of this is handled in the BIOS.

I'll give a quick example of how this is set up on a Zen 3 system. On my Gigabyte board's BIOS under the AMD Overclocking section there's a setting called SoC/Uncore OC Mode which you can enable. This forces the IF to never drop from max frequency, ours is going to be 1800MHz since that's what our memory is rated for. So now that we know that the IF is going to be running at a constant 1800MHz we can focus on the memory portion. Because I bought memory that was specifically capable of running at 1800MHz (3600MT/s AKA DDR4-3600) I'd go in and set the XMP/EXPO profile to that 3600MT/s number that was advertised on the box, this is easy as just selecting the memory overclocking profile in the BIOS. So now we have both the IF and the memory running at 1800MHz but I want to really make sure that the system does not deviate from those numbers for any reason. There's also a setting in my board's BIOS called UCLK DIV1 MODE which I can set to UCLK==MCLK which forces the memory controller speed to match the actual memory frequency which I previously set to 1800MHz. So now that those settings are enabled, the IF is running at it's max speed, 1800MHz, my DDR4 is running at 1800MHz (3600MT/s) and the unified memory controller is being told to match the memory clock which is 1800MHz. So now that all three clocks are synced at 1800MHz, we get that sweet, sweet reduced latency bonus.
 
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Your best bet is to wait for reviews and then decide I wouldn't buy 6400+ memory until I know 100% it's supported.

If using a 600 series board I would wait a couple bios revisions for board makers to work out the kinks unless you love being a beta tester....

Amd used 6000 mem for all it's benchmarks and you'd think they want to present it in it's best light so I wouldn't expect much beyond that.
 
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What do you guys think of this motherboard? It has future proof GPU PCIe 5.0 instead of the PCIe 4.0 on the other board. It has Three m.2. features PCIe 5.0/4.0/ and unfortunately 3.0. I got a 2TB PCIe3.0 so it doesn't matter i guess. It has Flash Back USB on the rear of the board also. I think most of these boards do and the bios is also ready for the new AMD processors. It only supports up to 7600+ on the memory which shouldn't be an issue for awhile.

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I wouldn't purchase a board till I had a cpu on the way we don't even know 9000 series pricing or when it's actually going to be available at this point. Other than a vague late July.

Whatever you get bios flashback is the most important feature beyond that it just comes down to the other features you need.
 

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What do you guys think of this motherboard? It has future proof GPU PCIe 5.0 instead of the PCIe 4.0 on the other board. It has Three m.2. features PCIe 5.0/4.0/ and unfortunately 3.0. I got a 2TB PCIe3.0 so it doesn't matter i guess. It has Flash Back USB on the rear of the board also. I think most of these boards do and the bios is also ready for the new AMD processors. It only supports up to 7600+ on the memory which shouldn't be an issue for awhile.

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But why are you pre-buying last gen AM5 boards before you've seen the new boards and their pricing? Makes no sense.

Zen 5 is extremely unlikely to be meaningfully changed on the uncore side of things. Meaning, possibly a bump to 1:1 memory speeds (ie. from 6000-6400 to 6600 or so, maybe), nothing more.

Current AM5 CPUs already do DDR5-8000+ without serious difficulty. It's just at 1:2 UCLK speed, and will continue to be that way on Ryzen 9000 because it is not possible to get that kind of 1:1 improvement without major hardware changes. Currently performance of 8000 1:2 and 6000 1:1 is pretty similar.
 
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But why are you pre-buying last gen AM5 boards before you've seen the new boards and their pricing? Makes no sense.


Possibly because of this but who knows.... Still better to wait it out and see though.
 
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Possibly because of this but who knows.... Still better to wait it out and see though.
I thought AMD wasn't going to change sockets for another 3 years.

But why are you pre-buying last gen AM5 boards before you've seen the new boards and their pricing? Makes no sense.

Zen 5 is extremely unlikely to be meaningfully changed on the uncore side of things. Meaning, possibly a bump to 1:1 memory speeds (ie. from 6000-6400 to 6600 or so, maybe), nothing more.

Current AM5 CPUs already do DDR5-8000+ without serious difficulty. It's just at 1:2 UCLK speed, and will continue to be that way on Ryzen 9000 because it is not possible to get that kind of 1:1 improvement without major hardware changes. Currently performance of 8000 1:2 and 6000 1:1 is pretty similar.
I haven't seen the new boards. I'm looking in newegg, MicroCenter and just looking through the B650's-B650E's, and the B670's and the B670E's. What could the new motherboards bring that hasn't been already implemented in these boards? Another thing, why did they skip the X700 boards and went to X800 for AMD?
 
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I thought AMD wasn't going to change sockets for another 3 years.


I haven't seen the new boards. I'm looking in newegg, MicroCenter and just looking through the B650's-B650E's, and the B670's and the B670E's. What could the new motherboards bring that hasn't been already implemented in these boards? Another thing, why did they skip the X700 boards and went to X800 for AMD?

Same socket but newer boards will offer better ports, wifi, and possibly memory support.

Some of the refreshed X670E boards already offer that the big new one is 80Gbps type C but likely only on expensive boards. To be fair haven't looked much into it.

They change naming to be more in line with intel Z890/X870..... x670 came out when Z690 was available.
 
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Only a quirk with AMD's memory subsystem at this point. When the infinity fabric and memory clocks are out of sync a large latency penalty is incurred. This essentially creates a latency/performance deadband after that "sweet spot" number where the IF and memory clocks sync up. All of this is handled in the BIOS.

I'll give a quick example of how this is set up on a Zen 3 system. On my Gigabyte board's BIOS under the AMD Overclocking section there's a setting called SoC/Uncore OC Mode which you can enable. This forces the IF to never drop from max frequency, ours is going to be 1800MHz since that's what our memory is rated for. So now that we know that the IF is going to be running at a constant 1800MHz we can focus on the memory portion. Because I bought memory that was specifically capable of running at 1800MHz (3600MT/s AKA DDR4-3600) I'd go in and set the XMP/EXPO profile to that 3600MT/s number that was advertised on the box, this is easy as just selecting the memory overclocking profile in the BIOS. So now we have both the IF and the memory running at 1800MHz but I want to really make sure that the system does not deviate from those numbers for any reason. There's also a setting in my board's BIOS called UCLK DIV1 MODE which I can set to UCLK==MCLK which forces the memory controller speed to match the actual memory frequency which I previously set to 1800MHz. So now that those settings are enabled, the IF is running at it's max speed, 1800MHz, my DDR4 is running at 1800MHz (3600MT/s) and the unified memory controller is being told to match the memory clock which is 1800MHz. So now that all three clocks are synced at 1800MHz, we get that sweet, sweet reduced latency bonus.
Can the SoC/Uncore voltage be set to 1.2v instead of 1.3v? I've heard what happen to a bunch of AMD cpu's and how they melted from this setting. What about the Infinity Fabric number, can it be edited and set from 2000 which i've noticed to be default? Can it be set to 3000? What i've noticed today, most just set there XMP for Intel and EXPO for AMD and there 1:1 is most likely to be 1:20's and everything works fine. In gaming what can this memory 1:1 or 1:2 really do with the memory controller and the memory?
 
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Can the SoC/Uncore voltage be set to 1.2v instead of 1.3v? I've heard what happen to a bunch of AMD cpu's and how they melted from this setting. What about the Infinity Fabric number, can it be edited and set from 2000 which i've noticed to be default? Can it be set to 3000? What i've noticed today, most just set there XMP for Intel and EXPO for AMD and there 1:1 is most likely to be 1:20's and everything works fine. In gaming what can this memory 1:1 or 1:2 really do with the memory controller and the memory?

But......why would you buy the board before the CPU is out then? We all know AGESA sucks and it always pays off to wait a little bit for AMD and board vendors to get acquainted with new hardware, rather than take a gamble on first release firmware.

AMD/board partners generally like to make a huge PR hubbub about initial support on old boards, then certain board vendors tend to neglect old boards for the follow-up, quality of life AGESA updates that actually matter.

Yes, VSOC lower is always better, as long as it doesn't start affecting stability. Late production Ryzen 7000 should not need anywhere near 1.2V let alone 1.3V to stabilize something easy like 6000 (3000 UCLK).

Intel is not the same. Their CPUs should be running in Gear 2 (1:2 IMC) for optimal memory perf. AMD needs 1:1 for optimal performance, unless you can get to somewhere in the 8000-8400 region where 1:2 performance begins to overtake.

Even if you have zero interest in new boards, the old boards could come down in price if there is a direct 800 series counterpart to whichever board you are considering. So I'm not sure what jumping the gun is supposed to accomplish.

Fabric is generally higher = better, until it becomes unstable/starts otherwise reducing performance. 2000 is fine for a starting point, or if you don't want to put much effort into it.
 
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AMd on AM4 was 1:1:1: mem clock (mclk) Mem controller (uclk) & Fabric Clocks (Fclk) (infinity fabric)

but AM5 and DDR 5 IS NOT 1:1:1 like AM4 was ( i fell into teh jump on AM5 +DDR5 and i wish i didnt..

I found that on AM5 and DDR5 that the clocks are 1:1 / 2/3rd aka a EXPO 6000 DDR5 kit would be as folows..

Uclk (3000) : mclk (3000) but infinity Fabric , aka Fclk can only max out @ 2000 Mhz..... so AM5 is not 1:1:1 liek aM4 was , AMD's AM5 could have been way better with a 3ghz fclck but tis IS NOT POSSIBLE (@ least NOT YET!!!!

now some AM5 cpus cold do higher flck but not gurenteed.. some can do 2033 but 2066 even if stable may not be any differentthan @ 2000 flck. (8700G APUs can do higher flck but less cache = lower gmaing perf anyway

IMHO! AM5 is a joke! only the CPUs (CORES) are decent. but the MBs and Platform itself is an OVERPRICED! JOKE!!! Stripped Fetures that an X570S MB had was stripped from boards @ same price or were removed altogehter. aka my X570 boards had Post code and 1220 audio and flash back... AMD equivelents were lacking post code and had downgraded 897 audio. so lame.... or they were +$100-300 more than the AM4 counterparts..... this is not why i upgrade.. my AM5 boards all feel like a huge downgrade @ least in features.. and cost way more... DDR5 and PCI-e 5 (even for SSDs) just IS NOT WORTH IT!!!

Intel + AMD + NVidia and all AIB MB&GPU Makers are just trying to capitalize on the AI Boom... dont buy anything.. LET IT ALL ROT ON THE SHELVES!!!!!!!! TEL THEM WE DO NOT WANT DOWNGRADES OR SIDE GRADE PLATFORMS!~!!!!!...
 
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AMd on AM4 was 1:1:1: mem clock (mclk) Mem controller (uclk) & Fabric Clocks (Fclk) (infinity fabric)
Can confirm. By the time X570 shipped out, some very badass chips shipped too, making possible for some sweet 1:1:1 clocks.
MCLK = FCLK = UCLK is best CLK.
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but AM5 and DDR 5 IS NOT 1:1:1 like AM4 was ( i fell into teh jump on AM5 +DDR5 and i wish i didnt..
Still waiting on that cool breakthrough moment but I don't believe AM5 will get any sweet ratios so I'm holding out for better. Maybe when X970 is out.
I'm a guy that went from:
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Soooo it's not like I need the upgrade, it's just gonna exist at a good price by the time I feel like it.
Picked up a cute junker Athlon 2650e a few years ago and that helps all my stuff go BRRRR.
How fast does the ram need to be if it's for only a regular AMD processor and not for those ones that have a large amount of cache; X3D. I know it does somewhat matter for Intel processors, but don't have a clue for AMD.
As far as I'm aware, the trend has been that Ryzen chips really love high speed memory and for Intel it just doesn't seem to matter much. The last I looked at this we were between 10th gen Core-ix and 3rd gen Ryzen, so maybe this has changed some (if at all). No confidence.
I think that board is solid. Will probably go with a PCIe 5x4 M.2 drive before next year from this PCIe 4.0 which this board supports. Just not sure if it's going to bring the performance down from x16 to x8 on the video card or not when you do install a PCIe 5.0x4 on the motherboard.
Is g5 your first NVMe or were you previously burned by weird board loadouts that shutoff PCI-E lanes/features when adding certain types of storage? You can have an M.2 drive and GPU running max PCI-E lanes without issue now but something like M.2 RAID may still cause issues if you need sata. I personally run a single g3 M.2, g3 sata, full size g3 GPU and g2 SFP. I might still be able to do M.2 RAID but have no way to test that yet.

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Having issues figuring out what i need, how fast, what is compatible; 6000Mhz, or 8000Mhz, or does it even matter with the new AMD Processor coming around July or with AMD processors in general compared to Intel Processors?
I would also hold off purchasing ASUS products for a bit. Maybe I'm still a bit mad but their stuff has been getting sloppy.
 
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I would also hold off purchasing ASUS products for a bit. Maybe I'm still a bit mad but their stuff has been getting sloppy.

I'm mildly annoyed with them as well but every AM5 boards I've worked with from them has been pretty great. Only a Hero from really early in the generation was a bit annoying to work with but it was much better after 2-3 bios revision. Honestly though every brand has been fine this generation as long as you don't buy the bargain basement stuff.
 
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One of the things I've noticed buying into TUF series is that full size ATX boards have sort of become the new bargain basement. I like to minmax my stuff but always get baited into full size boards that turn into a struggle to refit by the time I retire them to a rack or something compact. The X570 TUF was like $200 new while the I-Strix was $400ish and MIA for several months until I finally made a purchase. There were also a select number of special release, water cooled and ambiguously separate ROG boards that were nowhere near either of these marks. I'm starting to believe we don't have enough competition anymore.

If nothing else, the bios flashback features that were common in some other similar priced boards sounds amazing. Really glad that's becoming the new minimum boundary on lots of current era stuff.
 
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