Upgrading from i3 2100 to i5 3570 or i7 3770

[Pratamahandy]

2nd and 3rd gen intels are pretty close in performance, and the 2nd gens run a lot colder despite the larger fab size, due to the fact they were the last soldered IHS

I see. Thank you for your answer. I didn't know about this. Especially the colder one part. I always thought generally the smaller fabrication size means more compact power and lower TDP hence lower heat. I guess this one is an exception.

 

[Vario]

The 2nd gen Intel will only have PCI-Express 2.0. Your board does support PCI-E 3.0 though. PCI-E 2.0 can bottleneck modern videocards a small amount due to the decreased bandwith. Not sure how much is noticeable. This matters more if running multiple PCI-Express devices. Since you don't have that many slots, you aren't going to be running a SLI system. With regard to heat, 1230V2 runs pretty cool, it ran cooler than the 2550K I had. The Xeons are binned for low voltage.

 

[las]

Get the 3770, because SMT will help you alot in newer AAA games.

If you don't play newer AAA games, it does not really matter, performance will be identical pretty much

 

[Pratamahandy]

The 2nd gen Intel will only have PCI-Express 2.0. Your board does support PCI-E 3.0 though. PCI-E 2.0 can bottleneck modern videocards a small amount due to the decreased bandwith. Not sure how much is noticeable. This matters more if running multiple PCI-Express devices. Since you don't have that many slots, you aren't going to be running a SLI system. With regard to heat, 1230V2 runs pretty cool, it ran cooler than the 2550K I had. The Xeons are binned for low voltage.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the pcie. Also I think 2nd gen doesn't support a memory clock higher than 1333 MHz. While, my board and my RAM support 1600 MHz. Not sure though if it will give significance differences. Any idea?

Get the 3770, because SMT will help you alot in newer AAA games.

If you don't play newer AAA games, it does not really matter, performance will be identical pretty much

Thanks for your advice. Looks like more and more newer game adapt and utilize the SMT more efficiently right now. Even though the technology already there since 2012.

 

[Mussels]

I see. Thank you for your answer. I didn't know about this. Especially the colder one part. I always thought generally the smaller fabrication size means more compact power and lower TDP hence lower heat. I guess this one is an exception.

smaller fab size means less total heat output, but condensed into a smaller space. think of a candle flame heating up frying pans of various sizes. Temperature of the hottest point will go up if its condensed into a smaller size, despite the same heat output (same size candle/flame) (This is exactly how it works when you put a bigger heatsink on a CPU, you simple spread the heat out more)

Also to reply to the comment directly above me: SMT doesnt mean what it used to, because the SMT on these older intel chips was compromised with all the security flaws. It was only ever about a 15% gain, and its gotten less thanks to the patches for the flaws. I still recommend an i7 over an i5 for the higher clock speeds and more cache if its not too much more expensive, but hyperthreading just isnt as important as people say it is.

 

[Vayra86]

2nd and 3rd gen intels are pretty close in performance, and the 2nd gens run a lot colder despite the larger fab size, due to the fact they were the last soldered IHS

While true, chips with this age will start degrading soon or already have, unless they always ran stock. In my book, when its 7 years down the line, nothing is guaranteed. This could easily compensate for the 22nm chip being unsoldered.

 

[sepheronx]

OP, I think its best to just update the mobo bios and get that Xeon. Cheap, 4 core 8 thread, and since you aren't overclocking it should be sufficient in terms of boost enough to make a difference in video games.

 

[potato580+]

yes xeon has been quite popular for cheap gaming solution now adays, i can get X3k variant with only below $20 here, never personally use it, i think i might built xeon someday and testing it

 

[Tatty_Two]

yes xeon has been quite popular for cheap gaming solution now adays, i can get X3k variant with only below $20 here, never personally use it, i think i might built xeon someday and testing it

He has already said that the Xeon's are more expensive than the i7's where he is.

 

[phill]

If the OP would like one....

I'm pretty sure I can spare one No charge, just to cover postage

 

[eidairaman1]

The 2nd gen Intel will only have PCI-Express 2.0. Your board does support PCI-E 3.0 though. PCI-E 2.0 can bottleneck modern videocards a small amount due to the decreased bandwith. Not sure how much is noticeable. This matters more if running multiple PCI-Express devices. Since you don't have that many slots, you aren't going to be running a SLI system. With regard to heat, 1230V2 runs pretty cool, it ran cooler than the 2550K I had. The Xeons are binned for low voltage.

A 16x slot not so much its only if ran at 4 etc

 

[Mussels]

If the OP would like one....

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I'm pretty sure I can spare one No charge, just to cover postage

legend

 

[phill]

If we can't help each other out then there's something wrong I think If the OP would like to PM me his address, I'll get one sorted and sent Hopefully it won't take too long to arrive !!

 

[potato580+]

If we can't help each other out then there's something wrong I think If the OP would like to PM me his address, I'll get one sorted and sent Hopefully it won't take too long to arrive !!

you good sir, salute

 

[Pratamahandy]

smaller fab size means less total heat output, but condensed into a smaller space. think of a candle flame heating up frying pans of various sizes. Temperature of the hottest point will go up if its condensed into a smaller size, despite the same heat output (same size candle/flame) (This is exactly how it works when you put a bigger heatsink on a CPU, you simple spread the heat out more)

Also to reply to the comment directly above me: SMT doesnt mean what it used to, because the SMT on these older intel chips was compromised with all the security flaws. It was only ever about a 15% gain, and its gotten less thanks to the patches for the flaws. I still recommend an i7 over an i5 for the higher clock speeds and more cache if its not too much more expensive, but hyperthreading just isnt as important as people say it is.

I see. Thank You for your information.

OP, I think its best to just update the mobo bios and get that Xeon. Cheap, 4 core 8 thread, and since you aren't overclocking it should be sufficient in terms of boost enough to make a difference in video games.

yes xeon has been quite popular for cheap gaming solution now adays, i can get X3k variant with only below $20 here, never personally use it, i think i might built xeon someday and testing it

He has already said that the Xeon's are more expensive than the i7's where he is.

Yes, the only way I could have Xeon cheaper than i7 is to ship it from China using AliBaba. Which I am not really comfortable with.

If the OP would like one....

View attachment 133719

I'm pretty sure I can spare one No charge, just to cover postage

If we can't help each other out then there's something wrong I think If the OP would like to PM me his address, I'll get one sorted and sent Hopefully it won't take too long to arrive !!

Wow Phill. Thank you very much for your offer. I really appreciate that. But actually I live in Indonesia, and I've ever lived in the UK. I believed the postage cost is more or less the same as I just grab the 3570 in the local market. So I prefer not to bother you . I really appreciate it though, you want to offer one of your collection to a new member. Like Mussels and Potato580+ says. You are a legend.

 

[sepheronx]

Give us an address or something you would wish someone to ship to in Indonesia (Don't worry, we wont come visit you or knocking at your door looking for a couch to crash on). It may not cost as much as you think to ship it. I have shipped items across the globe for a decent price.

Or you could simply look at blanja.com which I think is the Indonesian Ebay.

And AliExpress, don't worry about buying from them. They seem to do a good job. I read a lot of people from Russia and Australia who buy from Aliexpress

 

[phill]

Wow Phill. Thank you very much for your offer. I really appreciate that. But actually I live in Indonesia, and I've ever lived in the UK. I believed the postage cost is more or less the same as I just grab the 3570 in the local market. So I prefer not to bother you . I really appreciate it though, you want to offer one of your collection to a new member. Like Mussels and Potato580+ says. You are a legend.

I like to help people

If you'd like give me a post code and address via PM, I'll see how much it'll cost to send it out there It's honestly not a problem!

 

[potato580+]

Give us an address or something you would wish someone to ship to in Indonesia (Don't worry, we wont come visit you or knocking at your door looking for a couch to crash on). It may not cost as much as you think to ship it. I have shipped items across the globe for a decent price.

Or you could simply look at blanja.com which I think is the Indonesian Ebay.

And AliExpress, don't worry about buying from them. They seem to do a good job. I read a lot of people from Russia and Australia who buy from Aliexpress

china has a shiping policy, any stuff below 200mg isa a free shiping, so no worry buy cpu from chinaland, ive buy it so many times crossflag from hk