• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

USB-C Chargers Are the Future: European Union Signs Common Charging Standard Into Law

Joined
Jun 30, 2022
Messages
32 (0.20/day)
How so? Loads of devices still lack USB-C. It might be "pointless" for phones, but did you see the list of other devices that have to adhere to using USB-C for charging as well?


The funny thing is that Apple's chargers have used USB-C/Thunderbolt ports for quite some time, so it's just their phones and a few tablets that don't already follow the new regulation. Makes you wonder...
Apple Airpod cases are Lightning, too, unless they changed them this generation.

Rumours have held for awhile Apple also wanted/wants to go full wireless. The ironically slow Lightning connector gave the reasoning for wireless-only charging and connection some purchase. That said, I'll take a cable connection any day.
 
Joined
Jun 18, 2021
Messages
1,087 (2.02/day)
Apple Airpod cases are Lightning, too, unless they changed them this generation.

They still use lightning :facepalm:

Rumours have held for awhile Apple also wanted/wants to go full wireless. The ironically slow Lightning connector gave the reasoning for wireless-only charging and connection some purchase. That said, I'll take a cable connection any day.

Yeah full wireless, can't wait for the iPhone 15 Pro ultra max, with super camera and pro res whatever recording, with the small * that you'll need to wait even longer than with the stupid usb 2.0 lightning cable to transfer the footage wirelessly.
 
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
6 (0.01/day)
Location
Brazil
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X
Memory Vengeance 2x8gb 3200hz
Video Card(s) 3080 10gb
Display(s) 2560x1440 + 1920x1080
Software EndeavourOS/Linux
USB-C isn't the future, it's the now. we don't know and can't know what the future holds, and a law such as this could end up doing more to restrict progress that could solve the same problems this tries to solve than actually help. Really not a fan of such an enforcement.
 
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
12,761 (1.93/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MXX
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Memory 32GB Viper Steel 3600 DDR4 @ 3800MHz 16-19-16-19-36
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 2080 Gaming OC 8G
Storage 1TB WD Black NVMe (2018), 2TB Viper VPN100, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Svive Triton Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/33u9si
USB-C isn't the future, it's the now. we don't know and can't know what the future holds, and a law such as this could end up doing more to restrict progress that could solve the same problems this tries to solve than actually help. Really not a fan of such an enforcement.
May I direct your attention here:

Without broadly accepted standards, we end up coming up with more incompatible standards that don't solve any relevant problems.

USB Type-C is simply a physical connector, that is also used by Thunderbolt and DisplayPort, which is the first time as far as I'm aware, that we've had a single interface that can use common cables, for both data and video signals. With USB4 and Thunderbolt, both can be piped down the same cable simultaneously as well.

Is USB-C going to be the ultimate connector ever? I doubt it, for one, it's "limited" to 240 W for power, so some devices won't be able to use it for power delivery, unless you somehow use a pair of power bricks, or make some kind of non standard solution like this.

I very much doubt this regulation will stifle product development, it just mandates USB PD as the common denominator for charging devices and that USB-C is the default interface for charging most consumer electronics. IT doesn't mean something better can't emerge in the future that can replace USB-C, just like USB-C replaced micro USB, which was at one point mandated to be the charging standard in the EU.

And FYI, the US and India are mulling to enforce USB-C as the standard charging connector as well.
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,761 (3.80/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
I don't know how I feel about this as tech changes way too damn fast for there to be a "standard" plug. How long before USB-D is out that provides 200 times the bandwidth and 1000W charging?
Given that I/O development is already growing massively more complicated due to massive bandwidth making signalling extremely complex, I highly doubt that we'll see any practical reason to replace USB-C in at least another decade, possibly two, for these use cases.

Laptops and other things needing more than 240W can still use barrel plugs.
 

Kissamies

S.T.A.R.S.
Joined
Dec 16, 2012
Messages
9,076 (2.49/day)
Location
Jyväskylä, Finland
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero
Cooling Arctic Freezer 50 + 6 case fans
Memory 32GB HyperX Fury DDR4-3200
Video Card(s) Powercolor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter
Storage ~2TB of SSDs + 3TB HDDs
Display(s) Lenovo 32" 4K IPS & Dell 24" 1080p TN + Arctic Z2 gen3
Case Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s) Corsair HS35
Power Supply Seasonic FX-750 750W
Mouse Logitech MX518 Legendary
Keyboard NOS C450 Mini Pro RGB
VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
Software Win 11 Pro ENG
None USB-C receptacles and connectors weren't designed for anything above 5V/1.5A-ish.
USB-C can do 48V/5A.
I know. Yet still I had no problems back in the day with Nexus 6 and its quick charger.
 
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
12,761 (1.93/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MXX
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Memory 32GB Viper Steel 3600 DDR4 @ 3800MHz 16-19-16-19-36
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 2080 Gaming OC 8G
Storage 1TB WD Black NVMe (2018), 2TB Viper VPN100, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Svive Triton Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/33u9si
I know. Yet still I had no problems back in the day with Nexus 6 and its quick charger.
Sure, because it was Qualcomm based and they made a proprietary standard that they felt was safe for USB Type-A connectors.
It did in fact cause issues with cheap cables, although most often that meant that your phone would trickle charge.
Obviously Qualcomm wasn't the only company to make a proprietary charging standard and we have multiple ones still, which is once again why this law was put in place, to make a widely available, common, fast-charging standard. If I get a trickle charge from a 180 Watt charger from Infinix, what good is that to me with a Pixel 6? Many of the xinese phone makers don't follow standards, so you can only charge their phones with their chargers. This is dumb.

Laptops and other things needing more than 240W can still use barrel plugs.
In fact, nothing says you can't have a USB-C and a different type of charging socket on the same device.
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,761 (3.80/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
I know. Yet still I had no problems back in the day with Nexus 6 and its quick charger.
Batteries these days are around twice the capacity though, so even with 15W quick charging you'd see some pretty significant charge times.
 

Kissamies

S.T.A.R.S.
Joined
Dec 16, 2012
Messages
9,076 (2.49/day)
Location
Jyväskylä, Finland
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero
Cooling Arctic Freezer 50 + 6 case fans
Memory 32GB HyperX Fury DDR4-3200
Video Card(s) Powercolor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter
Storage ~2TB of SSDs + 3TB HDDs
Display(s) Lenovo 32" 4K IPS & Dell 24" 1080p TN + Arctic Z2 gen3
Case Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s) Corsair HS35
Power Supply Seasonic FX-750 750W
Mouse Logitech MX518 Legendary
Keyboard NOS C450 Mini Pro RGB
VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
Software Win 11 Pro ENG
Batteries these days are around twice the capacity though, so even with 15W quick charging you'd see some pretty significant charge times.
I see the difference even between 5W and 10W ones with my 8 Plus without quick charging.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,590 (1.43/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling AMD Wraith Stealth // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Batteries these days are around twice the capacity though, so even with 15W quick charging you'd see some pretty significant charge times.
Speaking of, it takes around half hour for my Moto G9 Power to charge just around 20/25% of its 6000 mAh battery with the 20 W charger... so more powerful chargers that still use the same standards are welcome.
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,761 (3.80/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
I see the difference even between 5W and 10W ones with my 8 Plus without quick charging.
Well, obviously - 5W charging is essentially trickle charging with the battery capacities of current smartphones, so doubling that is obviusly better. That doesn't change the fact that while 15W used to be fast back in the day, a doubling in battery capacity equals a doubling in charge time if charge wattages is stable.
Speaking of, it takes around half hour for my Moto G9 Power to charge just around 20/25% of its 6000 mAh battery with the 20 W charger... so more powerful chargers that still use the same standards are welcome.
Which 20-25% are those? If that was 0-25%, I'd be worried about there being something off, but if that's 75-100% that's just how charging needs to work to not wear out your battery prematurely, and a higher output charger won't change that.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,590 (1.43/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling AMD Wraith Stealth // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Well, obviously - 5W charging is essentially trickle charging with the battery capacities of current smartphones, so doubling that is obviusly better. That doesn't change the fact that while 15W used to be fast back in the day, a doubling in battery capacity equals a doubling in charge time if charge wattages is stable.

Which 20-25% are those? If that was 0-25%, I'd be worried about there being something off, but if that's 75-100% that's just how charging needs to work to not wear out your battery prematurely, and a higher output charger won't change that.
From 0 to 25. Though, do keep in mind my phone is on (as in the display is off but the OS is up and running and GPS, 4G and Wifi communication are all active), so that might make the charge a tad slower.
 
Joined
Aug 30, 2006
Messages
6,606 (1.11/day)
System Name ICE-QUAD // ICE-CRUNCH
Processor Q6600 // 2x Xeon 5472
Memory 2GB DDR // 8GB FB-DIMM
Video Card(s) HD3850-AGP // FireGL 3400
Display(s) 2 x Samsung 204Ts = 3200x1200
Audio Device(s) Audigy 2
Software Windows Server 2003 R2 as a Workstation now migrated to W10 with regrets.
I just bought a new Gigaset VOIP DECT phone in Germany. I was very surprised it didnt have USB-C but used a proprietary charger and connection lead. :(
 
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
6 (0.01/day)
Location
Brazil
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X
Memory Vengeance 2x8gb 3200hz
Video Card(s) 3080 10gb
Display(s) 2560x1440 + 1920x1080
Software EndeavourOS/Linux
May I direct your attention here:

Without broadly accepted standards, we end up coming up with more incompatible standards that don't solve any relevant problems.

USB Type-C is simply a physical connector, that is also used by Thunderbolt and DisplayPort, which is the first time as far as I'm aware, that we've had a single interface that can use common cables, for both data and video signals. With USB4 and Thunderbolt, both can be piped down the same cable simultaneously as well.

Is USB-C going to be the ultimate connector ever? I doubt it, for one, it's "limited" to 240 W for power, so some devices won't be able to use it for power delivery, unless you somehow use a pair of power bricks, or make some kind of non standard solution like this.

I very much doubt this regulation will stifle product development, it just mandates USB PD as the common denominator for charging devices and that USB-C is the default interface for charging most consumer electronics. IT doesn't mean something better can't emerge in the future that can replace USB-C, just like USB-C replaced micro USB, which was at one point mandated to be the charging standard in the EU.

And FYI, the US and India are mulling to enforce USB-C as the standard charging connector as well.
Standards aren't laws now are they? There's a standard for C++, compilers don't need to follow it. There's a standard for ATX mobos, power supply cables, etc, manufacturers aren't required to follow.
Charging ports aren't something so critical that they need or should be regulated to a T, and that's my problem with it, it's going to be *required*, and not just be a standard to be followed or not. they could have done something different like sort of tax a company has to pay if their product don't follow a certain standard or whatever, but this is, imo, too much.
And I don't see how forcing companies to use a specific standard won't discourage said companies to try and come up with something better, why waste money on R&D for such a thing when you'll still have to use something else or have to somehow implement both in your product? Yes it doesn't mean better stuff can't emerge but it does mean it slows down the desire to seek better alternatives.
 

Kissamies

S.T.A.R.S.
Joined
Dec 16, 2012
Messages
9,076 (2.49/day)
Location
Jyväskylä, Finland
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero
Cooling Arctic Freezer 50 + 6 case fans
Memory 32GB HyperX Fury DDR4-3200
Video Card(s) Powercolor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter
Storage ~2TB of SSDs + 3TB HDDs
Display(s) Lenovo 32" 4K IPS & Dell 24" 1080p TN + Arctic Z2 gen3
Case Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s) Corsair HS35
Power Supply Seasonic FX-750 750W
Mouse Logitech MX518 Legendary
Keyboard NOS C450 Mini Pro RGB
VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
Software Win 11 Pro ENG
Well, obviously - 5W charging is essentially trickle charging with the battery capacities of current smartphones, so doubling that is obviusly better. That doesn't change the fact that while 15W used to be fast back in the day, a doubling in battery capacity equals a doubling in charge time if charge wattages is stable.

Which 20-25% are those? If that was 0-25%, I'd be worried about there being something off, but if that's 75-100% that's just how charging needs to work to not wear out your battery prematurely, and a higher output charger won't change that.
And I guess using "normal" charger doesn't degrade the battery that fast..?
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,761 (3.80/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
And I guess using "normal" charger doesn't degrade the battery that fast..?
Slow charging is generally much less harsh on batteries, yes.
Standards aren't laws now are they? There's a standard for C++, compilers don't need to follow it. There's a standard for ATX mobos, power supply cables, etc, manufacturers aren't required to follow.
Charging ports aren't something so critical that they need or should be regulated to a T, and that's my problem with it, it's going to be *required*, and not just be a standard to be followed or not. they could have done something different like sort of tax a company has to pay if their product don't follow a certain standard or whatever, but this is, imo, too much.
And I don't see how forcing companies to use a specific standard won't discourage said companies to try and come up with something better, why waste money on R&D for such a thing when you'll still have to use something else or have to somehow implement both in your product? Yes it doesn't mean better stuff can't emerge but it does mean it slows down the desire to seek better alternatives.
The electronics industry proved two decades ago that it can't be trusted to settle on a standard on its own. After all, this law just updates the previous EU law that made MicroUSB into the mandatory standard - a law that hasn't been levied against any device using USB-C, as the law (like this one) had provisions allowing for the adoption of future standards. Yet that didn't hamper the development of USB-C. So it seems to me that you're making up a rather far-fetched future "problem" on a very weak basis as an argument against something that has actual, real-world positive effects today. Not the best reasoning, IMO.

There are also many, many standards that are indeed enforced through law.
 
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
12,761 (1.93/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MXX
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Memory 32GB Viper Steel 3600 DDR4 @ 3800MHz 16-19-16-19-36
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 2080 Gaming OC 8G
Storage 1TB WD Black NVMe (2018), 2TB Viper VPN100, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Svive Triton Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/33u9si
Standards aren't laws now are they? There's a standard for C++, compilers don't need to follow it. There's a standard for ATX mobos, power supply cables, etc, manufacturers aren't required to follow.
Charging ports aren't something so critical that they need or should be regulated to a T, and that's my problem with it, it's going to be *required*, and not just be a standard to be followed or not. they could have done something different like sort of tax a company has to pay if their product don't follow a certain standard or whatever, but this is, imo, too much.
And I don't see how forcing companies to use a specific standard won't discourage said companies to try and come up with something better, why waste money on R&D for such a thing when you'll still have to use something else or have to somehow implement both in your product? Yes it doesn't mean better stuff can't emerge but it does mean it slows down the desire to seek better alternatives.
Well, they are sometimes when the "industry" can't agree.
Most, if not all countries have laws regulating the type of power sockets we have.
For example, the EU standardised on a new socket for ceiling and wall lights called DCL and it's the only kind of sockets that can be legally installed in new builds now.
Brazil moved to the NBR 14136 standard for power sockets and connectors, which was made mandatory by law on the 1st of January 2010, so are you telling me this is not a legally enforable standard in your country?
I don't think you've quite grasped what standards are.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
10,972 (3.98/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
1,200 (1.71/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
AFAIK EU charger efficiency requirements have had stipulations for no-load power draw for a long, long time. At least since 2009.

Edit: according to the current EU requirement ("Level VI", or EU Commission regulation 2019/1782), external AC-DC power supplies with an output power below 50W can at most consume .1W with no load connected, and those with an output power at or above 50W can at most consume .21W with no load connected. If I'm reading this correctly, this regulation also bans the sale of non-Level VI-compliant chargers in the EU since April 1st 2020.
Seems true. I thought that the 2009 regulation only set limits for things like TVs or receivers on standby but it does similar for external power supplies too. These are separate regulations though, 1275/2008 for the former and 278/2009 for the latter.
Vampire power is definitely a thing, but it's massively overblown as a problem, at least in somewhat regulated areas. (And there are some "reports" on its magnitude and cost that are nothing more than weird propaganda by other polluting industries trying to shift attention away from themselves.)
It would still add up to gigawatts, growing fast, if it weren't regulated.
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,761 (3.80/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
Seems true. I thought that the 2009 regulation only set limits for things like TVs or receivers on standby but it does similar for external power supplies too. These are separate regulations though, 1275/2008 for the former and 278/2009 for the latter.

It would still add up to gigawatts, growing fast, if it weren't regulated.
If it weren't, yes, absolutely. It's typically cheaper to build a less efficient PSU after all. Luckily EU and Californian environmental regulations (and to a lesser extent programmes like Energy Star) have been ensuring some modicum of movement towards efficiency for more than a decade now.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
1,200 (1.71/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
Laptops and other things needing more than 240W can still use barrel plugs.
100W actually, as the EU Parliament page linked as source says.
 
Joined
May 19, 2009
Messages
1,603 (0.32/day)
Location
Latvia
System Name Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G6
Processor 7700X \\ i7-8565U
Motherboard Asrock X670E PG Lightning
Cooling Noctua DH-15
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Black 32GB 6000MHz CL36 \\ 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti \\ Intel UHD Graphics 620
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 512GB, WD Black 2 TB, Samsung 970 Pro 512GB \\ OEM 256GB NVMe SSD
Display(s) BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station
Case Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z533
Power Supply Corsair AX860i
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Corsair K55 RGB PRO
Software Windows 11 \\ Windows 10
Well, there were people who disliked when EU dealth with the roaming charges union wide. So yeah, someone will always dislike something, in same cases at really strange level.
This is good and I am happy they did it.
 
Joined
Apr 6, 2021
Messages
602 (0.99/day)
Location
Bavaria ⌬ Germany
System Name ✨ Lenovo M700 [Tiny]
Cooling ⚠️ 78,08% N² ⌬ 20,95% O² ⌬ 0,93% Ar ⌬ 0,04% CO²
Audio Device(s) ◐◑ AKG K702 ⌬ FiiO E10K Olympus 2
Mouse ✌️ Corsair M65 RGB Elite [Black] ⌬ Endgame Gear MPC-890 Cordura
Keyboard ⌨ Turtle Beach Impact 500
Can't believe there are people stupid enough to think this is a bad thing. Did Cook get all Apple employees to vote too.

Apple's "Lightning" cable is way more convenient than USB. It also reduces drastically damage on the ports. ;)

I am all for standardized and intercompatible cables & chargers, but regulating connectors is just dumb. It hinders inovation, creates monopolies & has like no impact on e-waste.
Hope Apple just throws a USB/Lighting adapter in the box & tells the EU to FuuOff when they're threatening with fines.
 
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
12,761 (1.93/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MXX
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Memory 32GB Viper Steel 3600 DDR4 @ 3800MHz 16-19-16-19-36
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 2080 Gaming OC 8G
Storage 1TB WD Black NVMe (2018), 2TB Viper VPN100, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Svive Triton Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/33u9si
Apple's "Lightning" cable is way more convenient than USB. It also reduces drastically damage on the ports. ;)

I am all for standardized and intercompatible cables & chargers, but regulating connectors is just dumb. It hinders inovation, creates monopolies & has like no impact on e-waste.
Hope Apple just throws a USB/Lighting adapter in the box & tells the EU to FuuOff when they're threatening with fines.
So you're against standardising electrical wall outlets too? Maybe every city/region should have their own sockets and plugs? They could still use the same type of cables after all...
 
Top