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USB Type-C to Become Mandatory Charging Port in the European Union

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The data speed has nothing to do with charging.
PD 3.0 appears to be what they've gone for when it comes to everything except laptops, which is PD 3.1 based on the information provided.


Apple is somehow expected to drop the port entirely, in favour of wireless charging, which the EU is also about to regulate.
I'm sure the wireless Apple charger that you will still have to plug in will probably only cost $400 ;)
 
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How much more development do you really think they'd get from USB.
The thing is that we might need to move beyond USB, but smartphones, tablets, laptops, etc. sold in the almighty EUSSR wil still need to carry a Type C USB port, as specified by its all-encompassing legislation. For you people living in the free world it might not be a big deal, especially if we'll become more and more a backwater of this planet.
 
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I hope so, because the Lightning cable is just better. :p It slides in way more smooth & another big selling point is that if you manage to break it, the cable breaks & not the port on your phone.

Actually no. Lightning could be better because from the get go because the connector is simpler by being just a tab to plug in a hole instead of also having a tab on the device. But Apple never pushed it to be so. Speed is limited to USB 2.0, power is also very limited both by the spec and by their flimsy cables and even in terms of connection reliability, USB-C is rated for 10000 connect-disconnect cycles, lightning is not even rated (if they didn't put a number on it it's because it's worse)

USB-C is also designed to wear on the cable and not the port, it doesn't solve the "breaking device tab" but when things break things break, a lightning port can also get damaged and like i said they didn't put a reliability number.
 
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Excellent news, hopefully this also means motherboards will have more and more USB-C ports replacing traditional USB-A, no more struggle with what side you plug it in, no speed limits (for now) and generally smaller so you can fit more of them. Atleast that's what I think that will need to happen if all kinds of accessories are going USB-C. I'd gladly pay extra and use lots of adapters for a few years just to get proper USB-C dreams achieved.
 

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I'm happy to have a single cable that works for my iPad, Deck, Switch, and Laptop. I literally only carry around 1 65W smart charger for all my devices except my iPhone which uses crappy Lighting
I'll agree with that. I just don't like entities like the EU shoving these kinds of decisions on businesses. In my opinion, it's overreach. With that said though, I'll travel with a 100w power power adapter that has two USB C ports and two USB A. If I have two devices plugged in, they each get 50w on the USB C ports. Only gripe is that with all 4 ports driving devices will limit total output for each port to 25w. That tends to be good enough though.
 

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USB is a mess electrically and now making it single standard is putting users who are unaware of cables at risk of fires(at worst).
Its why I'm getting certified cables now
 
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For phones this is a great move, no more having to carry separate cables for work provided iDevices!

For laptops...not so much. power barrels are usually a stand alone connector that is screwed into the case, and can be easily replaced. USB C ports, OTOH, are a royal PITA to replace and often are impossible unless you are Louis Rossman tier. Any my experience in IT, between heavy thick dock cables that resist curving, connectors having pressure put on them from the laptop being a different height then the wire or the wire being pushed by a book, ece; and general usage, these type C ports do NOT hold up well to repeated strain. They get loose within 6 months, and after 3 years we are seeing a swarm of motherboards with bad USB C connectors that necessitate a (expensive) motherboard replacement.

USB-C is also designed to wear on the cable and not the port, it doesn't solve the "breaking device tab" but when things break things break, a lightning port can also get damaged and like i said they didn't put a reliability number.
If that IS part of the design, the stacks of laptops on my desk waiting on new motherboards would say otherwise. They royally failed.
 
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I just wish they'd also mandated the minimum use of USB3.1 gen 1 controllers on anything but dirt cheap devices I'm sick seeing 5-6-700 dollar phones that use USB Type C 2.0 USB 2.0 needs to go the way of the Dodo on any phone that's more than 300 bucks
 

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So, going forward, we'll have one type of charger and cable for most devices? Sounds good to me. I also think it's a plus that they won't come bundled with chargers and cables. How many bins and drawers are out there in homes worldwide full of several types of chargers and cables?
 
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I hope so, because the Lightning cable is just better. :p It slides in way more smooth & another big selling point is that if you manage to break it, the cable breaks & not the port on your phone.



Let's pray it does include external 2.5" HDD's. The Micro USB most are using is just utter crap. On WD drives some even managed to pull in the port because the quality/fitting is so bad.
As an Apple device user, I have to disagree with you. At launch, the Lightning connector was better because it was clearly easier to plug in, as compared to the mini and micro USB connectors. The flip side is the cost. Fast forward to the launch of USB Type C, that benefit of the Lightning connector is completely gone. Having said that, Type C standard is also a one big mess.
 
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As an Apple device user, I have to disagree with you. At launch, the Lightning connector was better because it was clearly easier to plug in, as compared to the mini and micro USB connectors. The flip side is the cost. Fast forward to the launch of USB Type C, that benefit of the Lightning connector is completely gone. Having said that, Type C standard is also a one big mess.
I'd wager that Lightning is superior simply because the most fragile part of the connector is on the (cheap) cable end and not in the device like USB-C has it. Not sure it makes a big difference though, both connectors seem pretty solid

That said I think the EU are silly and pointless bureaucrats who will do absolutely zero good with this regulation. Seriously, it will help literally no-one.
 
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What I really hate about USB-C is that there are too many type of cables. Those should be strictly regulated in order to remove all the confusion between charging only cables, cables with 25W, 60W, 100W power charging, some with only USB 2.0 transfer speed, other 10Gbps, other 20, other none.... like...WTF dude!?!

They should remove all this garbage and just allow min specs such as 100W with 40Gbps and be done with it, instead of the current cable mess out there.
 

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Fine as long as they're not put directly on the motherboard of laptops.
 
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Well, in the first place the EU isn't really known for its speed, let's remember that they spent over a decade on this proposal and initially they wanted to settle on Micro USB as the standard charging port, they might waste several years before approving a replacement; in second lieu the very fact that the EU has to approve a new charging port standard, before devices using it can be sold in the EU, could convince many companies that they can live with Type C until the end of the days.

On the point that this legislation applies to more than phones, those other devices aren't nearly as ubiquitous in Europe as smartphones and personally I think that it wasn't necessary to regulate them, but the EU wants to regulate even your cucumbers, so one can easily understand that they couldn't help themselves. But while cucumbers remain pretty much the same over the decades, charging ports for electronic devices might very well need to change.
Micro USB was already decided on yes, but they left it up to the device makers and they clearly decided to move something else, as micro USB wasn't suitable for modern needs. The EU said that even USB-C isn't expected to last forever and that they expect something else to replace it in the future.

PD 3.0 and 3.1 are as solid standards as we can expect, even though they're not perfect, but it's at least a royalty free standard that any company can use. Prior to USB PD, charging was a wild west where anything went and that would've made implementing the charger side of the a common standard impossible.

So, going forward, we'll have one type of charger and cable for most devices? Sounds good to me. I also think it's a plus that they won't come bundled with chargers and cables. How many bins and drawers are out there in homes worldwide full of several types of chargers and cables?
Cables can still be bundled from what I understand.
Most of my old cables are just that, old, because very few things I have use those cables now.
I should really tidy up and get rid of some of them, as they'll most likely never be used again.
That said, I don't have nearly as many cables as I once used to have, external SCSI, internal SCSI, IDE, printer cables, serial cables, VGA cables, DVI cables, proprietary video in and out cables and what not...

What I really hate about USB-C is that there are too many type of cables. Those should be strictly regulated in order to remove all the confusion between charging only cables, cables with 25W, 60W, 100W power charging, some with only USB 2.0 transfer speed, other 10Gbps, other 20, other none.... like...WTF dude!?!

They should remove all this garbage and just allow min specs such as 100W with 40Gbps and be done with it, instead of the current cable mess out there.
Have you actually compared the cables?
There's a reason why so many cables are only USB 2.0 for the data, as when you hit the 100 W capable cables, you have some really thick wire strands inside the cables and it makes the cables very stiff and almost rigid. They also cost 2-3x as much as a USB 2.0 cable that can still deliver 100 W of power.
There are no 25 or 60 W cables, the next step down is 65 W and anything below that doesn't require an e-marker chip, so they're not "regulated" at all, since they fall outside of the standards that exists.

As for data transfer, well, it has something to do with an ever evolving ecosystem, hence why you can buy different cables for different speeds. That said, there shouldn't really be a difference between 10 and 20 Gbps cables, since you're using one or two pairs of the same wires, but apparently there still is...

If you buy USB4 40 Gbps certified cables, you'll solve your problem. There aren't many of those available as yet though.
 
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Apple is somehow expected to drop the port entirely, in favour of wireless charging, which the EU is also about to regulate.

How? If you have to charge the phone on the fly somewhere else or use it while it's charging how you do it?
 
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How? If you have to charge the phone on the fly somewhere else or use it while it's charging how you do it?
Well, that's a good question.
If it wasn't clear, this is just something being thrown around and not an actual thing coming from Apple.
Then again, wireless only phones have already been proposed.
 
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Well, that's a good question.
If it wasn't clear, this is just something being thrown around and not an actual thing coming from Apple.
Then again, wireless only phones have already been proposed.
Sounds like a case of just because you can doesn't mean you should. Not just for the hassle of charging and using it, but not having a wired method of connecting the phone is by itself a can of worms. I'm one of the people who complained when mini jack was out of smartphones and nowadays I don't miss it at all, but this is too much for a lot of reasons I think.
 
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Sounds like a case of just because you can doesn't mean you should. Not just for the hassle of charging and using it, but not having a wired method of connecting the phone is by itself a can of worms. I'm one of the people who complained when mini jack was out of smartphones and nowadays I don't miss it at all, but this is too much for a lot of reasons I think.
Oh, I think it's an insane idea and I doubt we're the only ones. I guess this is also why we haven't seen any phones with wireless only interfaces, but I wouldn't put it past some company to try, at least not once wireless charging improves a bit more.
I do miss the 3.5 mm on my previous phone, as now I have to use a stupid dongle with a DAC in it to be able to use my headphones with my phone, which works, but it's really an inconvenience and an extra cost.
Bridging the analog and digital domain still requires electronics and I'd rather have those built into the phone.
 
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Oh, I think it's an insane idea and I doubt we're the only ones. I guess this is also why we haven't seen any phones with wireless only interfaces, but I wouldn't put it past some company to try, at least not once wireless charging improves a bit more.
I do miss the 3.5 mm on my previous phone, as now I have to use a stupid dongle with a DAC in it to be able to use my headphones with my phone, which works, but it's really an inconvenience and an extra cost.
Bridging the analog and digital domain still requires electronics and I'd rather have those built into the phone.
In my case I started to delve into BT headphones and things have really come a long way from the early 10s that they started to appear, for commuting the lack of cabling was such a liberation for me and sound quality is really good nowadays. Of course at home I still rock wired headphones, but I'm not set in stone for tried and proven technology if something else comes along and proves to be a good substitute for my needs.

And this absolute wireless phone thing has opened me a lot of questions more than being repulsed by the idea, apart of how you do it, in case it's possible with some form of beamforming to the AC outlet or something, how you manage to avoid frying brains? How that affects other nearby electronic components? What kind of enviromental hazards can this possibility cause?

If someone says a big tech company will do it and there have been proposals, sure these questions have been made before. I think it's funny how sometimes we try to hollywoodize the reality, but if they have answers for that, I'm curious.
 
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@TheLostSwede Surprised to didnt mention the previous news post that was on this where you explained a lot.
 

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I kind of like and dislike USB-C port - some manufacturers use poor quality and they will get wobbly after a half year of daily use (InWin 909 case, MacBook Pro 2016), Y-axis resistance is poor and I have PD-monitor which is awesome, but there is no locking mechanism and I can't move it much otherwise the USB-C cable will loosen or disconnect.
 
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In my case I started to delve into BT headphones and things have really come a long way from the early 10s that they started to appear, for commuting the lack of cabling was such a liberation for me and sound quality is really good nowadays. Of course at home I still rock wired headphones, but I'm not set in stone for tried and proven technology if something else comes along and proves to be a good substitute for my needs.
Can't argue about that, my SO just got a pair of Sony WF-1000MX4's and they really sound great, just not as great as my old, wired XBA-300's.
And this absolute wireless phone thing has opened me a lot of questions more than being repulsed by the idea, apart of how you do it, in case it's possible with some form of beamforming to the AC outlet or something, how you manage to avoid frying brains? How that affects other nearby electronic components? What kind of enviromental hazards can this possibility cause?
I guess you haven't looked into Qi chargers?
If someone says a big tech company will do it and there have been proposals, sure these questions have been made before. I think it's funny how sometimes we try to hollywoodize the reality, but if they have answers for that, I'm curious.
It can be done today, but I doubt anyone would really want to buy such a product.

@TheLostSwede Surprised to didnt mention the previous news post that was on this where you explained a lot.
Got a big long article on USB4 coming, that should help explain a lot more things and will cover USB PD in some detail as well.
 

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How? If you have to charge the phone on the fly somewhere else or use it while it's charging how you do it?
It is done by using MagSafe charger. I do have an iPhone and i have this magnetic charger (from ali, not the original). It works well and i can use the phone while its charging. Its even better than plugging the cable as i can rotate the phone and position the cable how i want.
 
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If you buy USB4 40 Gbps certified cables, you'll solve your problem. There aren't many of those available as yet though.
Can those deliver 100W or more so I can both charge my laptop/tablet/phone and/or transfer data full speed?
 
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