Use old or new "ryzen" mb ?

[gasolin]

So i tried a asus rx 6800 xt tuf, to much heat, in some situations to much coilwhine and i could only have the gpu anti sag bracket at the rear, i dropped the idea of a fast gpu

Some money left i went for a ryzen 5 5600x and a msi B550 a-pro, since my Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS had problems when i used a ryzen 5 5600x, for som reason it wouldn't boost to 4.6ghz like the other ryzen cpu settings where stock, thats why i bought a new mb.

I tried loading default settings,. resett cmos, tried to install latest bios again, i was stock at boost speed of 4.4 ghz, even with max cpu clock override to 200mhz (max) it wouldn't go higher than 4.4, aut oc it went to only 4.2 ghz and temps was super high.

Ryzen 5 5600X not reaching max boost

My new Ryzen 5600X is not reaching max boost, only reaching 4.2GHz, is this normal behaviour? My system: Ryzen 5600X 16GB 3200MHz EVGA 650 G5 Gold Asus TUF Gaming B550-PLUS with 1202 BIOS (lastest stable) Windows 10

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I for the first time in years went stock setting (but max cpu clock override) so it boost aut and aut change vcore, normally i use a static oc and as low vcore as possible.

So my question is, do i try again to use my current asus mb and a ryzen 5 5600x or go straight to the msi mb ?

I don't know what to change to make a ryzen 5 5600x boost as normal to 4.6ghz, im not shure it was the cpu but i do use the latest bios

I just wanna have higher clocks, 32mb L3 cache and pci e 4.0 support so i desided not to get a faster cpu, as i wanted the first time before i got a faster gpu

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[Deleted member 185158]

4.6ghz is a single core XFR (extended frequency range) figure. You would only see this number for brief moments while the system is at idle.

To catch the 4.6ghz, leave HWInfo64 running sensors tab and let the system idle for a while. You should see max core frequency reports as high as 4.6ghz.

If you do not, then it would be suspect you have some thermal challenges, cause thermals are everything for Ryzen chips.

 

[gasolin]

old cpu did boost +200mhz when i had max cpu clock over +200hz

 

[Speedyblupi]

it wouldn't go higher than 4.4, aut oc it went to only 4.2 ghz and temps was super high.

What cooler are you using; and have you checked that the cooler is installed properly, with sufficient mounting pressure and thermal paste, and any plastic film on the bottom of the cooler removed?

If you've checked your cooler and your CPU is still overheating (which shouldn't happen if you have a good cooler, but might happen with the stock Wraith Stealth cooler), have you tried undervolting? Setting an offset of -50mV or so could allow your CPU to boost higher (though it might also cause instability).

4.6ghz is a single core XFR (extended frequency range) figure.

XFR is when the CPU turbo boost is higher than the advertised boost frequency. 4.6GHz is the normal advertised boost frequency, so it should be able to hit this without XFR (though only if the CPU isn't overheating). The 5600X's default XFR frequency is 4.65GHz (so it's not much higher than the normal boost clock, but is still higher).

 

[Deleted member 185158]

What cooler are you using; and have you checked that the cooler is installed properly, with sufficient mounting pressure and thermal paste, and any plastic film on the bottom of the cooler removed?

If you've checked your cooler and your CPU is still overheating (which shouldn't happen if you have a good cooler, but might happen with the stock Wraith Stealth cooler), have you tried undervolting? Setting an offset of -50mV or so could allow your CPU to boost higher (though it might also cause instability).


XFR is when the CPU turbo boost is higher than the advertised boost frequency. 4.6GHz is the normal advertised boost frequency, so it should be able to hit this without XFR (though only if the CPU isn't overheating). The 5600X's default XFR frequency is 4.65GHz (so it's not much higher than the normal boost clock, but is still higher).

It's not an all core boost state unfortunately. 4.4ghz with PBO +200 is max. Past this, manually overclock the chip.

If the system runs cold enough, at idle it may run a lot of core consistent at or near single core max boost state. This will change under heavy and full loads. Been that way since Gen 1.

 

[gasolin]

Different mb that did wanted to go more than 4.2 on auto oc, older cpu did boost 200 above boost speed

Im expecting it to boost to 4.8ghz when stress testing, atm Be quiet dark rock pro 4

So i want it to boost to 200 mhz above boost speed when gaming and benchmark an stress test,if to high i wil lower it. How do i do it ?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Different mb that did wanted to go more than 4.2 on auto oc, older cpu did boost 200 above boost speed

Im expecting it to boost to 4.8ghz when stress testing, atm Be quiet dark rock pro 4

So i want it to boost to 200 mhz above boost speed when gaming and benchmark an stress test,if to high i wil lower it. How do i do it ?

You don't use boost to reach 4.8ghz. This must be done manually overclock. X48 cpu multiplier and whatever the v-core is needed to stabilize it. I'd start around 1.28v and test.

 

[Speedyblupi]

It's not an all core boost state unfortunately. 4.4ghz with PBO +200 is max. Past this, manually overclock the chip.

For all-core, yes, but 4.6GHz is the maximum single-core boost without XFR.

Functionally this value doesn't matter to the user, unless they disable XFR or Precision Boost (which are enabled by default, and there's normally no reason to disable them) and are only heavily using a single core, but 4.6GHz on a single core for a Ryzen 5 5600X isn't XFR

 

[gasolin]

a ryzen 5 5500 does boost to 200 above stock boost clock which is 4200mhz ish + 200mhz = 4450 mhz

That's why i was wondering why my ryzen 5600x doesn't boost to 4600 mhz in the same benchmark,stress test with max cpu clock override set to + 200mhz

 

[P4-630]

That's why i was wondering why my ryzen 5600x doesn't boost to 4600 mhz in the same benchmark,stress test with max cpu clock override set to + 200mhz

Maybe the CPU temp on load keeps the CPU from boosting higher.

 

[bug]

If it throttles itself, boost is most likely limited by heat dissipation. Get some airflow in there, it should boost higher. Use an additional fan to test first, no need to rebuild the system to verify.

 

[gasolin]

I don't have more than 80c

 

[R00kie]

Curve optimizer at -20 and a TDP lock to 95W is how I kept my 5600x boosting to its max boost clocks on all cores with decent temperatures.

 

[gasolin]

Here i does boost to 4.8ghz what am i doing wrong, co at -10 vcore aut

Max temps was 70.5 c

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Darn! No faster than a 3rd-gen. 5600X is indeed at least 4.6 for single core boost. Pre-Vermeer chips had low boosts, would be lucky to get 4.4 for single-core with Matisse.

 

[Zach_01]

Here i does boost to 4.8ghz what am i doing wrong, co at -10 vcore aut

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Max temps was 70.5 c

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Why on earth are you using Scalar X4? And then use -10mv on Vcore. It’s opposite settings.
Return it to auto or X1 and check again your boosting. And Vcore to auto and try more -CO.
It’s common knowledge by now (or at least should be) that Ryzen 5000 boosts more with undervolting through negative Curve Optimizer settings and every other voltage settings should be kept auto.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

For all-core, yes, but 4.6GHz is the maximum single-core boost without XFR.

Functionally this value doesn't matter to the user, unless they disable XFR or Precision Boost (which are enabled by default, and there's normally no reason to disable them) and are only heavily using a single core, but 4.6GHz on a single core for a Ryzen 5 5600X isn't XFR

It's single core.

Look at the OP, posted a screen shot of all cores at load, under 4400mhz cause scaler x4, but most cores, not all reaching 4.8ghz. Because xfr.

It's done on per core basis, cause advertising and obviously useless boosting.

Not that it matters, it's not a 4.8ghz chip even with PBO +200mhz which makes it a 4.4ghz all core chip.

High temp alert on all generation Ryzen chips is 70c. This prevents high clocks at load when using AMDs sensemi boosting algorithm.

So you trick it with a negative vcore offset, but the limiting factor is then only having the available option to set only 200mhz more.

I'd just set the multi to x48 and be done with it. The cpu is capable, OP has the cooling - 80c... which isn't great for a 65w chip, should have no problem with a manual oc.

 

[gasolin]

That's because it should, with max cpu boost clock override set to + 200 mhz in benchmarks,stresstest it should go 200mhz above boost clock and i think it's higher than 4.4ghz multicore, + 200mhz it should do 4.6ghz right ? it's just alot lower in benchmarks

It does excatly that with a ryzen 5 5500 boost + 200 in benchmarks,stresstest.

I think have set it to 75 max rpm in the bios, vcore is stock, ryzen is saying Max. Operating Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C

atm last and current ryzen cpu is the only i have run on aut so it boost by itself to the rated boost clock according to settings,limits, usually i do a static oc but many say it's not designed to be used that way, even when temps can be lowered alot (vcore) doing manually oc, so degradation shouldn't matter, i want to try to run my cpu on aut (so it boost by itself)

Why on earth are you using Scalar X4? And then use -10mv on Vcore. It’s opposite settings.
Return it to auto or X1 and check again your boosting. And Vcore to auto and try more -CO.
It’s common knowledge by now (or at least should be) that Ryzen 5000 boosts more with undervolting through negative Curve Optimizer settings and every other voltage settings should be kept auto.

I will try that, vcore is on aut, co is atm at -20

 

[Deleted member 185158]

That's because it should, with max cpu boost clock override set to + 200 mhz in benchmarks,stresstest it should go 200mhz above boost clock and i think it's higher than 4.4ghz multicore, + 200mhz it should do 4.6ghz right ? it's just alot lower in benchmarks

It does excatly that with a ryzen 5 5500 boost + 200 in benchmarks,stresstest.

I think have set it to 75 max rpm in the bios, vcore is stock, ryzen is saying Max. Operating Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C

atm last and current ryzen cpu is the only i have run on aut so it boost by itself to the rated boost clock according to settings,limits, usually i do a static oc but many say it's not designed to be used that way, even when temps can be lowered alot (vcore) doing manually oc, so degradation shouldn't matter, i want to try to run my cpu on aut (so it boost by itself)


I will try that, vcore is on aut, co is atm at -20

No, your chip is working properly.

4.6ghz is a Single core advertisement, NOT reflective of all cores. +200mhz pbo gets single core to 4.8ghz, which you've shown us.
And also about 4.4ghz, which you've shown us.
From the box, it's 4.2ghz all core....

Tjunction max is the throttle point.
ThermTrip is the shut down point.
HighTempAlert is with defaults only, cpu fan is commanded 100% duty cycle. To prevent overheat. The user is able to increase this value to 75c. Which you've stated running 80c. This means pbo will not increase clocks.
The video was showing like 53c.....

 

[xtreemchaos]

i dont know about anyone else but i find Zen do better on stock setting.

 

[Zach_01]

That's because it should, with max cpu boost clock override set to + 200 mhz in benchmarks,stresstest it should go 200mhz above boost clock and i think it's higher than 4.4ghz multicore, + 200mhz it should do 4.6ghz right ? it's just alot lower in benchmarks

It does excatly that with a ryzen 5 5500 boost + 200 in benchmarks,stresstest.

I think have set it to 75 max rpm in the bios, vcore is stock, ryzen is saying Max. Operating Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C

atm last and current ryzen cpu is the only i have run on aut so it boost by itself to the rated boost clock according to settings,limits, usually i do a static oc but many say it's not designed to be used that way, even when temps can be lowered alot (vcore) doing manually oc, so degradation shouldn't matter, i want to try to run my cpu on aut (so it boost by itself)


I will try that, vcore is on aut, co is atm at -20

And also keep Scalar X1(Auto).
In reality this is a bypass to CPU silicon FITness health management that increases voltage beyond AMD’s intention. On higher settings it may hurt the silicon in the long run depending the type of usage and current/thermals. On lower settings it just feeds a little more voltage that it should, in the concept of more sustained boost. But this increases current(A), the EDC, and that also increases silicon stress. The FIT management then has only clocks under real control. So it cuts boost.

I believe that Scalar has a use only under extreme cooling and not for the everyday coolers (air/water) that most of us will use.

Also, static OC has the FIT management in complete bypass situation. So there is no protection under potential damage of the silicon.
Voltage and frequency management of Ryzen CPUs is so rapid and happen dozens of times every second for a reason. Setting voltage at constant value is not optimal for silicon even if it’s lower than what you see under stock auto settings.

Boost clock override (+25~200MHz) is a single/middle threaded boosting addition.
It’s not for all core (100%) boost.
All core boost can be increased with -CO.
How far it can go depends on PPT/EDC limits and thermals.

You can’t increase PBO limits indefinitely either. Too high current value (EDC) along with high temperature may hurt silicon in the long run under constant 100% loads.

 

[gasolin]

so your saying i should run it at max 70c ?

 

[Zach_01]

Optimal temperature of Ryzen 5000 is 70~75C or lower. Beyond that point the management starts to decrease the whatever gains the -CO can give.
I’m not saying that at 75~80C the CPU can’t boost more. It’s just the gains are diminishing the more the temperature increases.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

If he wants to find the fitness voltage for static OC, PBO enabled all else defaulted, run Prime95 small fft unchecked. Let the temps stabilize and witness the v-core at that time. That is the fitness voltage.

 

[gasolin]

occt and aida 64 only cpu under 70 c with fpu and cache it get's above 70 c in aida 64, prime95 blend is under 70 c , in-plade large fft and small fft it's over 70 c co at -30, max cpu boost overdrive is + 25 or 75 mhz, had cpu llc at 1, vcore no more than 1.182