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#1
So I think we need a club:peace::lovetpu::toast::lovetpu::peace:
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Please post your cards version in this thread and i will add you to the club :rockout:,, It is not possible to discern Asic quality at the moment and ill update on this when it is.

If possible we could do 3dmark default run comparisons too (default of any with a valid certificate ,though if its special case please include clocks and a gpuz cpuid page on your screanshot) , I might reasonably trace driver improvement through time ,, since i apparently spend as much time on 3dmark as any other game:eek::D , ill try and get something on this together soon.
Validated timespy runs with a pic of gpuz and cpuid open as you would usually expect , ill post an example and format shortly.

I will do a spreadsheet of benchmark results when theres more then a few.

Stock bios download links and other's:

Founders edition https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/196039/amd-rxvegafe-16368-170616
Vega 64 Right side Tpu review sample https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194442/amd-rxvega64-8176-170719-1
Vega 64 Left side Tpu review sample https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194441/amd-rxvega64-8176-170719
Vega 64 LC version https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/195319/amd-rxvega64-8176-170811
other Vega 64 bios's https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios...X+Vega+64&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=
Vega 56 Left side Tpu review sample https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194443/amd-rxvega56-8176-170730
Vega 56 Right side Tpu review sample https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194444/amd-rxvega56-8176-170730-1
other Vega 56 bios's https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios...X+Vega+56&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

link to AMD drivers
Win10 https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows+10+-+64
Win7 https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows+7+-+64
and Linux options https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux

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Tuning corner

You will all likely have had a dabble at overclocking so this section is open to experimentation and ideas, and in construction.

So for gaming I found one tune setting does'nt fit all, in some games low voltages with high clocks can be unstable , crashing occasionally but never consistently.
so with the addition of the silicon lottery element its hard to suggest a definitive set of settings but I personally expect all cards to work reasonably with these.

Core p7 ,1550 p8 1600 @1.16V max / 950 memory @1V power limit @+35% Your Fan speed will require a tweak though mines water blocked so I have no clue what speed to set it at and it's personally optional.
these settings play any game well Afaik.

please let me know if you have better clock settings or issues with mine:)

I recommend using the chill option in wattman at all times , i've had no issues using it in games and it keeps temps and power use in check also use the frame limiter to stop the card doing insane fps values in some older game's since the heat and power use@180-30000 fps is'nt going to help the card last long and mine has crashed due to this occasionally

New OverdriveNtool beta thanks's @fullinfusion

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/overdriventool-tool-for-amd-gpus.416116/page-22#post-5619672



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This gonna be a small thread.
Just kidding :D.
Actually I want to see what Vega56 can do with some undervolting and overclocking.
 
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so here are a few stock runs to get started in each of the power modes, two look odd but I have left them as is, looks like no change registered , not surprising as these drivers and all overclocking or reading software is dubious at the minute.
even gpu z needs an update ;)
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so a new whql driver got released yesterday.
I have re ran the tests and they pan out as power saver 5528 , balanced 5763 and turbo 5922 all within margin of error from day 1 driver.

i have screenshots if anyone requires such proof, but i have not posted them because i thought I would post something interesting instead.

but first , I have been having big issues since day one with the main screen de-syncing and then going into a sync de-sync loop for eternity or until rebooted, i thought it driver related but unplugging my Lg 4k tv (was not in use at the time for pc) from the card has fully sorted out that issue, just a heads up, not ideal , it can be used, but can cause issues if like me, it is a telly that is not on much for pc use.

right so a few have done videos recently on undervolting Vega so i thought id see what my reference is saying with regard to such.

three runs , just under volted , under volted with +50 power and finally best oc under volted on air, in that order.
so just under volted nearly hits turbo performance levels without the added 15%power turbo uses, not bad , with 50%power and under volted it beats turbo by a margin. that max Oc is under volted but isnt that great , ill try for a max... OC on air at the weekend , all under volted runs were at 1.1V down from 1.2 stock , lower then 1.1 crashed every time for me.
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The benchmarks might not be ideal to test under volting. A solid gaming session on something stressful might be better.
I've always found the DICE (BF1 etc) games good for stability tests.
 
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WOW! Almost 1700MHz undervolted. If clock report is correct, we are talking about at least decent oc with less power draw and better temps vs the stock settings. And for sure, much better performance. Looks good. 1-2 driver updates now to see what's coming for the new vega-exclusive features.
 
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I salute you sir for actually supporting RTG with your money! Curious to see what you think of your Vega.


Some request i have if you have time.

For example, how is the video decoding support? Over Reddit it was reported Vega does not support hardware h.265.



Aaaaand I am summoning @RejZoR once again. Dude you should totally buy a Vega. And do a documented FineWine. You know, record performance after every driver update and see where it lands 2-3yrs down the road. 1080Ti is overkill for you 1080P monitor any way.
 
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I salute you sir for actually supporting RTG with your money! Curious to see what you think of your Vega.


Some request i have if you have time.

For example, how is the video decoding support? Over Reddit it was reported Vega does not support hardware h.265.



Aaaaand I am summoning @RejZoR once again. Dude you should totally buy a Vega. And do a documented FineWine. You know, record performance after every driver update and see where it lands 2-3yrs down the road. 1080Ti is overkill for you 1080P monitor any way.
I have been messing about a lot trying to optimise mining efficiency and to find good gaming clocks before I get a waterblock , on it undervolted but memory ovetclocked a bit with no oc and no extra power i get 6125 in timespy and it games fine in gtaV deus ex mankind divided , project cars and dirt rally , all at 4k ultra settings and all playable bar deus ex it still needs more . Or less res etc.

Ill try h265 at some point and report.
 
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I salute you sir for actually supporting RTG with your money! Curious to see what you think of your Vega.


Some request i have if you have time.

For example, how is the video decoding support? Over Reddit it was reported Vega does not support hardware h.265.



Aaaaand I am summoning @RejZoR once again. Dude you should totally buy a Vega. And do a documented FineWine. You know, record performance after every driver update and see where it lands 2-3yrs down the road. 1080Ti is overkill for you 1080P monitor any way.
Not for 144Hz 1080p monitor...
 
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Not for 144Hz 1080p monitor...
what are your main games i could see what the fps says for one or two maybe.

and H265 works fine for me i used this video a 4k h265 short film steel something??

@xfm after re reading your post , hardware?? is there a hardware / software switch
 
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what are your main games i could see what the fps says for one or two maybe.

and H265 works fine for me i used this video a 4k h265 short film steel something??

@xfm after re reading your post , hardware?? is there a hardware / software switch
Check GPU utilization during X265 play back. I will dig out the thread over reddit and report back to you tonight.

I am all for @RejZoR to go Vega. haha
 
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If you guys crowdfund one RX Vega 64 AiO for me, I'll gladly abuse it in many ways. I'll even take time to figure out AiO placement in my system.
 
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Won't selling your Ti be enough?
 
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@theoneandonlymrk
Thank you for your note regarding this Vega owners club section of the forum.
I posted some information concerning my Vega 64 with water cooling here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ed-by-tomshardware.236271/page-4#post-3714954

My further investigation about the potentials of my Vega 64 with watercooling, I will put in this thread then. :)
I would be very interested in your findings since I am heading in that direction(waterblock) , it's a shame to loose the shroud though ,I quite like the big red radeon it goes well with my pc.

@xfm1948" I salute you sir for actually supporting RTG with your money! Curious to see what you think of your Vega."

while i do prefer the open source and adaptable nature of Amd's Gpus , and while my main rig is presently Amd ,I would have you know that its nvidias market strategy , pr strategy and on occasion devious nature that limits me passing them money more then any other reason, same with intel.

I look forward to a more evenly priced and competetive pc landscape because that would be better for me the consumer yet imho those two companies more then any other two (in pc) have actually tried to aggressively own the market, so aggressively they endangered the stagnation of that very same market , again imho, hence no , i wont pass them more money then i absolutely must ie i own two 1060s to mine with , they were a financial speculation experiment as is the vega.
 
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Here is a screen shot that show details of my Vega 64:

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@theoneandonlymrk Thank you for your insights on Vega. First hand experience is way more convincing than empty words.

Buildzoid mentioned Vega is locked from BIOS mods. Do you feel like this is a big deal to you?
 
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As I mention before in the previous post from me that I will do further testing for my water cooled Vega 64 by running Witcher Wild Hunt on Balance and Turbo mode in order to determine what is the average clock speed that my Vega can maintain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ed-by-tomshardware.236271/page-4#post-3714954

I did these tests today and the results are quite impressive for my Vega sample. :clap:
Witcher is tested on all Ultra settings expect for the NVidia HairWorks which are set to low settings.
Monitor used is 1440p Freesync BenQ ZOWIE XL2730 27inch.
The water block used on Vega is: EK-FC Radeon Vega - Nickel (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc-radeon-vega-nickel).

The drivers used for this are 17.8.1. I only found out later that AMD released 17.8.2 today. :oops:

It is a hotter day today and room temperature is still 26°C with windows open at 23:00 o'clock :

The results of my test are as follows.

1. Wattman at Balanced power mode
- Average GPU clock frequency achieved is 1524MHz
- Average GPU temperature is 40°C

2. Wattman at Turbo mode
- Average GPU clock frequency achieved is 1583MHz
- Average GPU temperature is 42°C


These results are better than what Tom's Hardware got with their custom water cooled Vega 64.
In Witcher they achieved around 1530MHz with Wattman Turbo mode where as on my Vega sample I achieves 1581MHz in Turbo Mode.

Unfortunately, I don't have the possibility to measure the difference in power consumption between Balanced and Turbo mode for my PC at the moment.

Here is a screen shot for the Balanced mode measurements:
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This is the screen shot for the Turbo mode measurements
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In the next days I will experiment with undervolting to see if that could give me even better performance. :toast:
 
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Here is a new video on hybrid RX56 undervoting and oc at the same time.


100W down on power draw with same performance as 50% up in power limit when going from 1.15V to just under 1V.
 
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100W down on power draw with same performance as 50% up in power limit when going from 1.15V to just under 1V.
It's just amazing what RTG is doing, leaving all this perf vs efficiency in the weeds. And these RTG boys wanted to break off and do things their own way and this is what they show for it? smh
 
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@turbogear, sorry if i missed it in your posts but what waterblock are you using? i cannot really see fullcover blocks available yet :(
 
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@turbogear, sorry if i missed it in your posts but what waterblock are you using? i cannot really see fullcover blocks available yet :(
I am using EK-FC Radeon Vega - Nickel (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc-radeon-vega-nickel).
I pre-ordered it directly from EK online shop next day after Vega 64 was released.
Now all the Vega blocks at the EK shops seems to be out of stock.:(
I think they will receive new stocks very soon.

For the backplate, I am still using the original Vega, but I put some thermal tape on phase doublers under the backplate to help spread the heat into the backplate.
AMD did not put any thermal tape there, but thermal infrared images made by Tom's Hardware indicates that these phase doublers also run quite hot.
(http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-rx-vega-64-water-cooling,5177-2.html)
 
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Meh , the power delivery system on these boards seems to be pretty well built.
 
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I've got the Sapphire and XfX reference model...post more info when I get a chance.
 
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Meh , the power delivery system on these boards seems to be pretty well built.
This us why im always happy to buy amd designed refs ,the three ref 480s i own run at 1390mhz 2100 all day long just fine though the two now on blower fans are a bit loud, yes you can buy a higher clocked one now but not by much and i owned them since day one.
They are up in performance terms a fair bit since day one ,vega will be the same imho.

ill just leave this here :)
 

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