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Vega RX tested against the GTX 1080ti

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Courtesy of Hexus (main source HardOCP https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/07/26/blind_test_rx_vega_freesync_vs_gtx_1080_ti_gsync)

Looks like the Vega RX IS after all a match for 1080ti - on blind testing at least. Without getting into a fight over fps numbers - perceived smoothness (which FPS can never describe adequately enough without reference to latency) is a better gauge than pure empirical data*

* My old crossfired 7970's were blazingly fast on fps but somehow it felt choppy.... FPS versus smoothness right there. Except, reviews can't empirically score 'smooth' so it's going to be a possibly contentious fight.

Looks like RTG may have actually pulled a rabbit out of the hat after all. Which might explain that Swedish price that has been floating about.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics...vidia-gtx-1080-ti-blind-test-video-published/

EDIT: if you don't read the source you'll miss both systems used either Freesync or G-Sync, so thats a source of 'smoothing'. Without those panels, nobody knows....
 
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I've watched the video...DOOM running on Vulkan Freesync active for AMD and Gsync for Nvidia. Not a very conclusive comparison
Imo Vega will be at least 20% below 1080Ti
 
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Yeah, both were using syncing technology and no FPS was able to be seen. I wouldn't believe a word of this at all.
 

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We really have to see comparative tests without adaptive sync in action on either brand to get a true sense of its performance.

Looks like the Vega RX IS after all a match for 1080ti - on blind testing at least. Without getting into a fight over fps numbers - perceived smoothness (which FPS can never describe adequately enough without reference to latency) is a better gauge than pure empirical data*

* My old crossfired 7970's were blazingly fast on fps but somehow it felt choppy.... FPS versus smoothness right there. Except, reviews can't empirically score 'smooth' so it's going to be a possibly contentious fight.
Yup, they call it frame pacing and PC Perspective I think it was who designed the sophisticated FCAT test to measure this and quite revealing it was too. Requires some expensive equipment so it's not something that us enthusiasts can do.

I'll watch the video later when I get a moment.
 
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How does this tell one of vega's performance, it looks more like a comparison of Freesync vs G-Sync and the need of adaptive v sync.
 
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Not a very good test. You don't need a 1080Ti or Vega to run Doom. I run Doom at a constant 60 FPS at 3440x1440 on a 980Ti.
I am sure they would be hitting the max FPS on that panel. These cards should be tested on more demanding games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Witcher 3, Dishonored 2 or Watch Dogs 2. That is when they would find the real difference
 
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Courtesy of Hexus (main source HardOCP https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/07/26/blind_test_rx_vega_freesync_vs_gtx_1080_ti_gsync)

Looks like the Vega RX IS after all a match for 1080ti - on blind testing at least. Without getting into a fight over fps numbers - perceived smoothness (which FPS can never describe adequately enough without reference to latency) is a better gauge than pure empirical data*

* My old crossfired 7970's were blazingly fast on fps but somehow it felt choppy.... FPS versus smoothness right there. Except, reviews can't empirically score 'smooth' so it's going to be a possibly contentious fight.

Looks like RTG may have actually pulled a rabbit out of the hat after all. Which might explain that Swedish price that has been floating about.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics...vidia-gtx-1080-ti-blind-test-video-published/

EDIT: if you don't read the source you'll miss both systems used either Freesync or G-Sync, so thats a source of 'smoothing'. Without those panels, nobody knows....

So now AMD has to resort to blind taste tests so we can pay more for less. "But don't forget a g-sync monitor costs more!" Well we are talking about GPU here not monitors.

Not a very good test. You don't need a 1080Ti or Vega to run Doom. I run Doom at a constant 60 FPS at 3440x1440 on a 980Ti.
I am sure they would be hitting the max FPS on that panel. These cards should be tested on more demanding games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Witcher 3, Dishonored 2 or Watch Dogs 2. That is when they would find the real difference


Did you people even read and watch the video? "Totally unscientific and subjective testing" They say it multiple times. It's not a review on framerates.
 
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Did you people even read and watch the video? "Totally unscientific and subjective testing" They say it multiple times. It's not a review on framerates.

It can't even be called a test. They purposely chose a scenario where both the systems would act similar.
 

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I'm sure most people run monitors for far longer than a gfx card update cycle. If it's all based on sync tech (and tbh, they could have used a 480 versus a 1060) then the 'preview' is a little disingenuous.
But, if 3:1 prefer AMD sync and 6 couldn't tell the difference, perhaps it's a better advert for monitors than cards.
I will not tie myself to a brand by buying a sync based monitor, not even Gsync, even though that's (Nvidia) what I have owned for years now.
So if it needs the sync for sales.... Yeah, not as impressive as I had originally thought it was.
 
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So now AMD has to resort to blind taste tests so we can pay more for less. "But don't forget a g-sync monitor costs more!" Well we are talking about GPU here not monitors.

Blind testing is now bad...... Mmmmkay.

Or perhaps its your own blind eyes.
 

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Blind testing is now bad...... Mmmmkay.

Or perhaps its your own blind eyes.

Well in mean when the only way to make your product compete is to artificially limit it...
 
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Not a very good test. You don't need a 1080Ti or Vega to run Doom. I run Doom at a constant 60 FPS at 3440x1440 on a 980Ti.
I am sure they would be hitting the max FPS on that panel. These cards should be tested on more demanding games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Witcher 3, Dishonored 2 or Watch Dogs 2. That is when they would find the real difference
^ this.

That video has all sorts of issues.
 
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I'm sure most people run monitors for far longer than a gfx card update cycle. If it's all based on sync tech (and tbh, they could have used a 480 versus a 1060) then the 'preview' is a little disingenuous.
But, if 3:1 prefer AMD sync and 6 couldn't tell the difference, perhaps it's a better advert for monitors than cards.
I will not tie myself to a brand by buying a sync based monitor, not even Gsync, even though that's (Nvidia) what I have owned for years now.
So if it needs the sync for sales.... Yeah, not as impressive as I had originally thought it was.

They initially wanted Kyle to use a 1080, same thing like in Budapest and Portland so the rabbit in the hat is the same, he's so fat that they can't get it out. Don't know why Doom rather than BF1 but he used a 1080 Ti "because he can". He could've made another blind test using a Fury X against a GTX1080 or against this secret RX Vega and I bet that in Doom you'd be hardly pressed to see any difference. Totally irrelevant for the performance of RX Vega, guess we'll have to wait a few more days.
 

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Gotta love how NVidia likes to double-dip in their own special sauce. They've been doing it since SLI was introduced.
 
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Looks like the Vega RX IS after all a match for 1080ti - on blind testing at least. Without getting into a fight over fps numbers - perceived smoothness (which FPS can never describe adequately enough without reference to latency) is a better gauge than pure empirical data*

That's not really what that test says instead it asks the question of what is really more important, fps or the experience? If you can't tell the difference from the actual experience, then is the higher price for the more expensive part worth it? This however doesn't mean that RX Vega is equal to or faster than the 1080ti.
 
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That's not really what that test says instead it asks the question of what is really more important, fps or the experience? If you can't tell the difference from the actual experience, then is the higher price for the more expensive part worth it? This however doesn't mean that RX Vega is equal to or faster than the 1080ti.
Seems a rather sad/desperate form of marketing.
 
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Not a very good test. You don't need a 1080Ti or Vega to run Doom. I run Doom at a constant 60 FPS at 3440x1440 on a 980Ti.
I am sure they would be hitting the max FPS on that panel. These cards should be tested on more demanding games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Witcher 3, Dishonored 2 or Watch Dogs 2. That is when they would find the real difference

Exactly this. id Software did a great job with the id Tech 6 engine's performance, but the downside is that it's a terrible benchmark. Pretty much any other game released in the last 2 years would've been a better choice.

That's not really what that test says instead it asks the question of what is really more important, fps or the experience? If you can't tell the difference from the actual experience, then is the higher price for the more expensive part worth it? This however doesn't mean that RX Vega is equal to or faster than the 1080ti.

Except Vega's rumoured price is $850, whereas GTX 1080 Ti is $699, or a whopping $150 cheaper.
 
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Blind test is for people who seeks "good enough", and using it for top of the line parts comparison is kinda silly
 
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Exactly this. id Software did a great job with the id Tech 6 engine's performance, but the downside is that it's a terrible benchmark. Pretty much any other game released in the last 2 years would've been a better choice.

Except Vega's rumoured price is $850, whereas GTX 1080 Ti is $699, or a whopping $150 cheaper.


Its extremely unlikely that RX Vega is more expensive if its performance is less than the 1080ti-s because than AMD is going against everything that they have been and thats something that they cant afford.
 
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Blind testing is now bad...... Mmmmkay.

Or perhaps its your own blind eyes.
I agree with you , it's a blind test, thats been a reasonable test scenario for many scientific studies its just that people are not getting the gist of this Pr stunt.
Amd are demonstrating that their way is ,,in USE by gamers hard to discern from nvidias top consumer gfx package and often preferred.
We all know, shit we dont all do we.
Fps is an easy discription and measure of performance but to a guy using a system it is not actually the most important.
In order
Lowest fps
Average fps
Frametime
Highest fps

Surely adequately displayed by steam surveys year on year with laptops still top dog ?? Most with no chance of high fps.

People need to start getting priorities right and thinking a bit more clearly , this blind test prooved Amds new shit feels better in use then nvidias to a higher percentage of people in actual use.

But yeah a bit of candy picking went on via dooms selection, i bet amds testers are sick of that shit by now but playing fair they all cherry pick what they do well.
 

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It was actually Kyle who chose the game for testing, not AMD. Here's what he said from the discussion.

"I could have picked any game I wanted to. AMD did not have control over the testing. The overall idea for testing was theirs' and agreed to, but I could have used any game that I wanted to."
 
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Its extremely unlikely that RX Vega is more expensive if its performance is less than the 1080ti-s because than AMD is going against everything that they have been and thats something that they cant afford.

What they can't afford is to sell the graphics card that's most expensive for them to produce, at a loss. HBM2 is gonna be expensive, the interposer is expensive and adds size and complexity to the die, and new chips always have poor yields.

Add to that GloFo's 14nm node, which has proved competent at best for Ryzen and Polaris with its poor overclocking capabilities... and then consider that those chips are under half the surface area of Vega and thus far less complex to fabricate, and the yield picture looks even grimmer.
 
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