Venezuelan Petro appears completely lifeless.

[R-T-B]

Problem is, as long as US corporations have all the legal protections of a US person, we can not properly regulate capitalism. It is doomed to failure. Those of you who think the US economic and political system is not failing are in for a shock.

I think it's going down the wrong path, particularly right now.

I do believe it has a good chance to right itself though, as it has done many times historically.

This thread is about Venezuela, not America. If you want to bash America, start a thread in The Lounge.

Actually it's about the petro, but I'll be broad and say Venezuela applies.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Lack of Petro rather, but fair enough.

 

[alexander brett]

I don't know that we actually have starving people in any widespread number in America. Homelessness is definitely an issue though.

Please note, I said "properly feed" not starving to death. And if one thinks that being malnourished in the USA despite us having FAR MORE than enough food to feed everyone is OK, I pity them.

 

[GoldenX]

They should make Petro good for mining with Intel IGPs .

Call Castro, tell him it's time to go back to the drug business.

 

[alexander brett]

I think it's going down the wrong path, particularly right now.

I do believe it has a good chance to right itself though, as it has done many times historically.



Actually it's about the petro, but I'll be broad and say Venezuela applies.

I think it has a chance. I don't think the chances are particularly good if you include our enviromental and surveillance state. And GT90 car guy, Venezuela's current situation is very very much about the USA as is the rest of the Americas due to our tremendous economic and military power being projected around the globe and especially central and south America.

 

[StrayKAT]

I don't think people in this thread realize how desperate the situation is in Venezuela:
Venezuelans are starving amid economic crisis, food shortages

They've basically not been able to afford food for two years now. Government doesn't give a shit:
Let Them Eat Rabbit Is Venezuelan President's Response To Food Shortages

Venezuela's poor management is dragging neighbors down:
Colombia, Peru pledge joint response to Venezuela exodus

I've paid attention for awhile now on and off. Sometimes I sympathize, sometimes I wonder if certain protestors have ulterior motives (like I've heard some say they outright want American intervention. That doesn't sound right to me. I've seen this trick before -- and when America gets involved, it's this very reason why people hate Americans. Because it inevitably screws up... like clockwork). I won't deny though that Maduro is woefully incompetent.

 

[GoldenX]

I've paid attention for awhile now on and off. Sometimes I sympathize, sometimes I wonder if certain protestors have ulterior motives (like I've heard some say they outright want American intervention. That doesn't sound right to me. I've seen this trick before -- and when America gets involved, it's this very reason why people hate Americans. Because it inevitably screws up... like clockwork). I won't deny though that Maduro is woefully incompetent.

It's in your blood, the british had the same problem.

 

[R-T-B]

Because it inevitably screws up... like clockwork

That's because America can't have a war last more than one presidential office without voting in a new administration that will prematurely end it, leaving people hangining in horrible circumstances.

Still, if you are eating exotic zoo animals to survive, american intervention probably does not sound so bad.

 

[StrayKAT]

If you can say this about socialism you can say this about any pure form of any economic system. Or are you not aware that capitalism is failing millions of Americans and that we also have food "shortages" otherwise known as, millions of people too poor to properly feed their families in the "richest" country in the world?

At the moment, America has one of the strongest economies and lowest unemployment rates in it's history. Capitalism definitely isn't perfect, but I don't think it's the greatest time to say how horrible it is either. Maybe wait awhile?

And the vast amount of amount of homeless oddly live in heavily taxed areas. You'd think they'd have the cash to spare, but they don't. NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Seattle, New Orleans, etc.. Go figure.

 

[R-T-B]

It's in your blood, the british had the same problem.

I don't think blood has anything to do with it. It's more that large republics don't function well in wartime without a united populace, something we completely lack.

In the british empire, it was a different issue. Their very size worked against them without electronic communication. Administration because diffilcult, and corruption became a big issue.

And the vast amount of amount of homeless oddly live in heavily taxed areas. You'd think they'd have the cash to spare, but they don't. NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Seattle, New Orleans, etc.. Go figure.

As true as this may be, none of them are starving, and most of them have severe mental health issues. I'd argue in other places they simply die.

Source: I live in Olympia, WA.

 

[GoldenX]

I don't think blood has anything to do with it. It's more that large republics don't function well in wartime without a united populace, something we completely lack.

In the british empire, it was a different issue. Their very size worked against them without electronic communication. Administration because diffilcult, and corruption became a big issue.

Easy to solve:
1. Don't do war.
2. Use all that saved money on education and gun control.
3. ????
4. PROFIT.

Just called Castro, he says if Maduro can't solve the food shortage, he is going to be replaced soon.

 

[R-T-B]

Easy to solve:
1. Don't do war.
2. Use all that saved money on education and gun control.
3. ????
4. PROFIT.

Just called Castro, he says if Maduro can't solve the food shortage, he is going to be replaced soon.

You are acting like I disagree with that idea (well, other than gun control, which I think is only good in limited ways). I'm talking about interventions that have already happened though. The last thing you want to do is dump them on their ass. The soviets already did that with Afghanistan and we don't want to repeat that mistake.

 

[StrayKAT]

As true as this may be, none of them are starving, and most of them have severe mental health issues. I'd argue in other places they simply die.

Source: I live in Olympia, WA.

Hah.. very true in some cases I've seen. I actually have a pic of a 400 lb woman wandering butt naked in the middle of Seattle yelling at the top of her lungs. She was definitely sick.... but well fed

It's in your blood, the british had the same problem.

Not my blood. I didn't support these wars, except Afghanistan (after 9/11....which was immediately squandered into invading Iraq... and then my head sunk). I'm beginning to think even Afghanistan (and even 9/11) need to be reexamined... tbh. Never had a moment of optimism about the Arab Spring. Same goes for the silly documentaries that spread everywhere about how great the Ukrainian revolution was... and all of the calls since then to side with either Putin or Ukraine. It isn't that damn simple.

 

[GoldenX]

Funny thing is, here in Argentina there are a lot of Maduro supporters (a lot of populism supporters, too many of them...). You tell them to take some vacations on Venezuela, and they simply insult you.

 

[Vya Domus]

Societies should and will always adapt.

Not always, not for the sake of "acceptance". Sometimes you are doing just fine and you don't need to adapt, others should adapt to your conditions.

 

[GoldenX]

Not always, not for the sake of "acceptance". Sometimes you are doing just fine and you don't need to adapt, others should adapt to your conditions.

So, the new society adapts. You just proved it.

 

[R-T-B]

Hah.. very true in some cases I've seen. I actually have a pic of a 400 lb woman wandering butt naked in the middle of Seattle yelling at the top of her lungs. She was definitely sick.... but well fed

The magic phrase to set off most of the homeless people here is "dragon."

Most of them seem convinced the government is run by them. Don't ask me why.

 

[GoldenX]

The magic phrase to set off most of the homeless people here is "dragon."

Most of them seem convinced the government is run by them. Don't ask me why.

False, the right term is Reptilian or Lizard People.

 

[R-T-B]

False, the right term is Reptilian or Lizzard People.

Only if you respect them. They hate them. The dragons are "keeping them down."

I made an honest effort to understand one of the homeless guys here once. Was confusing.

 

[Vya Domus]

So, the new society adapts. You just proved it.

I don't follow. There is no new society, no change took place.

 

[GoldenX]

Only if you respect them. They hate them. The dragons are "keeping them down."

I made an honest effort to understand one of the homeless guys here once. Was confusing.

We have a whole town/city full of them, it's called El Bolsón (The Shrine). Not joking.

I don't follow. There is no new society, no change took place.

Society adapted for those that didn't want to change, society changed.

 

[dorsetknob]

It's in your blood, the british had the same problem.

Your Getting too political and Racist
This Thread is getting Toxic

 

[GoldenX]

Your Getting too political and Racist
This Thread is getting Toxic

Brits always hate when you throw history books at them.

 

[R-T-B]

Your Getting too political and Racist
This Thread is getting Toxic

I know right, the lizzards are getting offended !

Brits always hate when you throw history books at them.

Brits of today aren't the brits of yesteryear though. Best keep that in mind.

 

[Vya Domus]

Society adapted for those that didn't want to change, society changed.

That's just an illusion. Inclusion doesn't change the definition of something.