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very slow nvme speed compared to my friend who has the same drive

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Problem :
Copying from my crucial drive(which can read about 520MB/s sustained) with Ctrl-C Ctrl-V copy/paste to my intel nvme bursts with 200MB/s settles at 40MB/s. I am copying a big 40GB data file (the guildwars2 game folder which has about 10 files in it, so it's not zillions of small files but rather one huge and a few dlls and exes). I expected this to be MUCH MORE. as it is now it s on par with your average usb thumb drive.

Comparison:
My friend can copy from his 256gb nvme ssd to 600p 1TB ssd sustained 950MB/s. tried to copy rainbow six siege which has about 80GB - sustained 950MB/s, copy done in a minute and a half or so.

Others on other forums told me this is perfectly normal because the 600p is a shit qlc drive and its no wonder its so cheap and this is it take it or leave it and move on.
So how come the very same drive performs so much better in my friend's rig ?
Is this some sort of absolute intel shenanigans ? does it favor my friend's z390 chipset over my amd x470 ?
Can i fix this ? in all honesty since in my rig the intel drive is the fastest i expected it's write speed to be the read speed of my other ssds when copying files from them to it.
 
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What is your drive layout, which sata ports are in used with what drive?
 
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It could be for several reasons:
My bets are:
-read speeds from the intel 256GB nvme is much faster than the crucial drive (nvme to nvme is really fast, can't compare sata to nvme)
-overheating? ssds throttles down if they overheat
-trim. Are your ssd optimized?
 
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What is your drive layout, which sata ports are in used with what drive?
C: adata [ 1ntfs partition ] first sata port
D: crucial [ 1ntfs partition ] second sata port
E: seagate [ 1ntfs partition ] third
F: intel [ 1 ntfs partition ] closest to cpu m.2 slot

It could be for several reasons:
My bets are:
-read speeds from the intel 256GB nvme is much faster than the crucial drive (nvme to nvme is really fast, can't compare sata to nvme)
-overheating? ssds throttles down if they overheat
-trim. Are your ssd optimized?
-are you implying that my crucial drive's read speed is 60MB/s .... ? it's not.
- 40 degrees max on nvme drive as reported by hwinfo64, i have a monster case very well cooled 3 intake fans, 3 out, no temp issues. nvme is also shielded (shield came with the mobo)
- yes they are.
 
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How much free space you have on intel nvme?
 
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the speeds you mention is Sata speeds and your friend got pcie 3.0 speeds

are you sure you even can use m.2 nvme or just M.2 ?
 
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How much free space you have on intel nvme?
about 200 GB. why ?

the speeds you mention is Sata speeds and your friend got pcie 3.0 speeds

are you sure you even can use m.2 nvme or just M.2 ?
I don't understand what you mean.
My sata ssds are connected via sata cables to the motherboard's sata ports. In the BIOS they show as sata drives .
my sata nvme drive is in the m.2 slot closest to the cpu that asrock claims is a m.2 socket with heatsink pcie gen 3 x4 & sata3
also, what do you mean by sata speeds ? these are garbage cheap ass usb thumb speeds. my HDD works much faster than that.

this is how the bios detects the drives
 

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Download Intel ssd toolbox:


If possible see if you can free up at least 500GB on intel nvme then start application, select intel nvme and press "Intel SSD optimizer" button, wait until it finishes it and then try copy procedure again,
 
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Could be your ssd is just shit at transfering those file types. Game files are normally packed in compressed packages which could be the cause.

Unless you're both moving the same file/s then any comparison is bullshit anyway.
 
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this is how the bios detects the drives
Based on the model number it is a QLC Flash-based Intel 660p 1TB drive. The behaviour you are seeing is normal and expected - there is a limited amount of fast(er) cache and after that is exhausted it will fall back to rather slow native QLC Flash write speeds. With 200GB free the fast SLC cache is quite small.

Are you sure your friend has the exact same model?
Intel does have 600p model with TLC Flash but write speeds on that are usually in the 500-600MB/s range which does not match your description.
If he does also have a 660p, the drive is probably empty or close to empty, making the fast cache part considerably larger. This is a graph from Anandtech's 660p review:
 
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Download Intel ssd toolbox:


If possible see if you can free up at least 500GB on intel nvme then start application, select intel nvme and press "Intel SSD optimizer" button, wait until it finishes it and then try copy procedure again,
I expected somebody to say this.
I already did it. No change.
And by the way, my friend didnt do shit: he's quite the newbie and doesnt even know what we're talking about here. unless his windows install is set to automatically optimize(defragment/trim) drives, then he has no clue. And it still works for him.

Could be your ssd is just shit at transfering those file types. Game files are normally packed in compressed packages which could be the cause.

Unless you're both moving the same file/s then any comparison is bullshit anyway.
umm... ok.. well it didnt seem to matter what. no matter what i copy on his rig - settles at 900MB+/s
no matter what i copy on mine, it's always settling at about 50MB/s
really, i tried games and random obs recordings (5gb+ files)
it really doesnt change it. and it's the same damn drive.
 
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That's a different kettle of fish dude :)

Have you checked if your mobo has an issue with those drives, or if a bios update adds support for more nvme drives?

Have you tried reseating the drive?

Are you sure that slot is the one direct to the CPU and not from the chipset?
 
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Based on the model number it is a QLC Flash-based Intel 660p 1TB drive. The behaviour you are seeing is normal and expected - there is a limited amount of fast(er) cache and after that is exhausted it will fall back to rather slow native QLC Flash write speeds. With 200GB free the fast SLC cache is quite small.

Are you sure your friend has the exact same model?
Intel does have 600p model with TLC Flash but write speeds on that are usually in the 500-600MB/s range which does not match your description.
If he does also have a 660p, the drive is probably empty or close to empty, making the fast cache part considerably larger. This is a graph from Anandtech's 660p review:
I am 100% sure it is the exact same drive, i ordered them, they shipped to me, they are the absolute same model/specs.
I know it's a cheap QLC drive.
I was told it's pretty garbage compared to the 970 evo for example.
I abandoned the idea of even looking into it.
And then i paid my friend a visit, and big was my surprise when the same drive does 900mb/s sustained on his rig but is garbage in mine.
 
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SATA transfer to NVMe is always going to be a lot slower than NVMe to NVMe!
 
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That's a different kettle of fish dude :)

Have you checked if your mobo has an issue with those drives, or if a bios update adds support for more nvme drives?

Have you tried reseating the drive?

Are you sure that slot is the one direct to the CPU and not from the chipset?
How would i know if the mobo has an issue with it ? it shows in the bios it's seen by windows. it works. just very slow.
its not listed on asrock x470 taichi's storage qvl but then neither are 99% of the ssds out there....
i have the latest bios. v 3.20. no difference.
i have tried reseating the drive,
i tried both m.2 slots. no change.

SATA transfer to NVMe is always going to be a lot slower than NVMe to NVMe!
so ? does that imply that if i dont have the magic nvme to nvme setup my drives automagically downgrade to crap usb drive speeds ?
on that note i have a kingston usb drive that works much faster lol.
 
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Can you test your nvme in friends mobo and if performs same you will know that drive has issues if not then it's rest of your PC.
 
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Ask your buddy to let you borrow his Drive to see if it does the same thing in your system.

From everything I read even if the SLC cache fills up you should still be at HDD speeds around 100MBs.

You also should try copying over the exact same game to verify speeds last I checked guild wars 2 used 1000s of tiny files even some small patches being 12k files.
 
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Can you test your nvme in friends mobo and if performs same you will know that drive has issues if not then it's rest of your PC.
This.

Have you got chipset drivers installed try the same game not just a "similar" sized game, both drives copying and writing to need to be the same for read/write speeds otherwise you may as well compare apples to oranges and scratch your head why you've ended up with a banana
 

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So I'm confused, in your last thread you said 660p, now you say 600p. Which are we really talking about? Because they are different drives.

And even if you ordered the two drives together, make sure where ever you bought them from didn't send you one 600p and one 660p.
 
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So I'm confused, in your last thread you said 660p, now you say 600p. Which are we really talking about? Because they are different drives.

And even if you ordered the two drives together, make sure where ever you bought them from didn't send you one 600p and one 660p.

He has a thread open on the Asrock forums also saying its a 600P not the 660P but on there he claims both systems are his.

Found the thread googling if the problem was widespread on his mobo.
 

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I've got the 6000P which is the same drive plus encryption, and its effing terrible for sustained writes.

Your friend might have some sort of caching going on (or a different SSD entirely, as others mention), making it appear faster than it is, the 600p/6000p drives simply cant write that fast
 
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A couple of maybe obvious questions. Are you running AHCI or IDE mode for your SATA drives? IDE mode would slow them down quite a lot.
Are you using GPT or MBR partitioning, as this makes a huge difference for NVMe drives.
 

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Are you using GPT or MBR partitioning, as this makes a huge difference for NVMe drives.
I'd never heard of this before, google tells me you are correct. might explains some oddities i had in the past.
 

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Apples to oranges, also ADATA makes good ram, unsure about SSDs, from looks of it it is old by capacity...
 
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I'd never heard of this before, google tells me you are correct. might explains some oddities i had in the past.
A good day then, I could share something I learnt from experience and you learnt something new.
 
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