Watch out! Crysis 2 on Steam has 3rd party DRM, NOT disclosed on store page

[Mussels]

umm No name calling please, Your answer is in post 96
Link to the page: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5806-YFGL-3427
Link to page stating the crysis series is NOT a steam game but a third party game: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8977-TULC-5791

I really don't know what more you could want?

oh come on, he's said it dozens of times already. try reading and stop trolling.


previous crysis titles stated they came with DRM.

Crysis 2 does not

its clear to assume that someone could interpret that as crysis 2 not having 3rd party DRM. its false advertising by omission. Before you have a rant at that, look at other examples: games that require internet to play state it, and companies got in huge trouble in the past for not stating so.

 

[qubit]

oh come on, he's said it dozens of times already. try reading and stop trolling.


previous crysis titles stated they came with DRM.

http://img.techpowerup.org/110327/489.jpg

Crysis 2 does not

http://img.techpowerup.org/110327/836.jpg


its clear to assume that someone could interpret that as crysis 2 not having 3rd party DRM. its false advertising by omission. Before you have a rant at that, look at other examples: games that require internet to play state it, and companies got in huge trouble in the past for not stating so.

Thank you! I've been ignoring him since he gave me that No one word answer. It was dead obvious by that point.

Exactly, other companies got into trouble on both sides of the pond. It's false advertising to omit stuff like this.

 

[qubit]

Steam store page now finally shows "3rd-party DRM: TAGES Solidshield ". Of course, I've heard nothing about my refund.

I'm not sure how to go about chasing Valve about my query - can someone please tell me? I can add a note to the open ticket, but it doesn't look like it triggers an alert with them.

 

[garyinhere]

Do you have a screen shot of when they didn't have it listed?
I'd jst ask them for store credit do to their user agreements otherwise they will be likely to tell you to jst not use the account.

 

[qubit]

Good point - but yes, courtesy of Mussel's post above.

EDIT: A credit sounds reasonable, I want to get Portal 2 after all. I'll add a note to the ticket and see if they notice.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Well just to be clear its not false advertising. They didn't advertise anything thats not in there. That would be false advertising.

They chose not to advertise something that is. I'm sure there are tons of things in the game they do not advertise.

I'm not saying its right or wrong. I just don't see the big deal.

 

[Muhad]

Stamp out Steam ... it's PC game cancer!

 

[TheMailMan78]

Stamp out Steam ... it's PC game cancer!

Trollololol

 

[Mr McC]

Well just to be clear its not false advertising. They didn't advertise anything thats not in there. That would be false advertising.

They chose not to advertise something that is. I'm sure there are tons of things in the game they do not advertise.

I'm not saying its right or wrong. I just don't see the big deal.

The big deal is simply that we should never become blasé about the inclusion of unannounced DRM, that is a serious issue, even if it does not appear to be a serious issue in this particular case. DRM often dictates my puchasing decisions, is that foolish in the sense of needless self deprivation? I don't know, but there are enough alternatives out there to enable me to feel no loss. I wouln't puchase Crysis 2 in any event, but I am eager to hear Valve's reply with regaards to this clearly deliberate omission, as a consumer and a Steam user.

 

[TheMailMan78]

The big deal is simply that we should never become blasé about the inclusion of unannounced DRM, that is a serious issue, even if it does not appear to be a serious issue in this particular case. DRM often dictates my puchasing decisions, is that foolish in the sense of needless self deprivation? I don't know, but there are enough alternatives out there to enable me to feel no loss. I wouln't puchase Crysis 2 in any event, but I am eager to hear Valve's reply with regaards to this clearly deliberate omission, as a consumer and a Steam user.

What does it matter if it has DRM or not? I mean Steam itself is a DRM and yet you bought the game through a DRM. Why does more DRM make a difference?

 

[DannibusX]

Portal 2 is gonna have DRM.

 

[Mr McC]

What does it matter if it has DRM or not? I mean Steam itself is a DRM and yet you bought the game through a DRM. Why does more DRM make a difference?

I was aware of what Steam entailed before I decided to use the platform, Crysis 2 DRM does not afford us that privilege. That difference is important to me.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I was aware of what Steam entailed before I decided to use the platform, Crysis 2 DRM does not afford us that privilege. That difference is important to me.

You don't know every detail of every game you buy anyway. Why is this any different?

 

[qubit]

Portal 2 is gonna have DRM.

It has Steam only DRM, which is acceptable to myself and Mr McC.

 

[Mr McC]

You don't know every detail of every game you buy anyway. Why is this any different?

I don't know every detail about gonorrhea either, but that does not prevent either of us from surmising that it's a bad thing. I am assuming that you, like me, are not privy to its inner secrets.

In this case, I feel that the failure to disclose is unnacceptable, given that DRM and the type of DRM is a decisive issue for many consumers. Whether or not that concern is misplaced is an entirely different debate and my own reasons for disliking this practice and its future implications are largely irrelevant. It is sufficient to say that what you seem to see as a failure to provide a courtesy, to my mind is a failure to abide by a corporate obligation, which is something that should always cause at least minor concern. That said, you are free to feel and advocate complete indifference.

 

[qubit]

I don't know every detail about gonorrhea either, but that does not prevent either of us from surmising that it's a bad thing.

I'm gonna frame that.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I don't know every detail about gonorrhea either, but that does not prevent either of us from surmising that it's a bad thing. I am assuming that you, like me, are not privy to its inner secrets.

In this case, I feel that the failure to disclose is unnacceptable, given that DRM and the type of DRM is a decisive issue for many consumers. Whether or not that concern is misplaced is an entirely different debate and my own reasons for disliking this practice and its future implications are largely irrelevant. It is sufficient to say that what you seem to see as a failure to provide a courtesy, to my mind is a failure to abide by a corporate obligation, which is something that should always cause at least minor concern. That said, you are free to feel and advocate complete indifference.

You don't buy types gonorrhea for entertainment ether. Your analogy is fail. There was no ungenuine effort to sell you the game. You should be buying a game because you want to play it. Not because it doesn't have a DRM which makes no difference in the gameplay. Unless you are going to use the game unintended by the makers.

 

[erocker]

You don't buy types gonorrhea for entertainment ether. Your analogy is fail. There was no ungenuine effort to sell you the game. You should be buying a game because you want to play it. Not because it doesn't have a DRM which makes no difference in the gameplay. Unless you are going to use the game unintended by the makers.

I guess if it doesn't bother you, fine. It does bother some people and you obviously aren't going to change their minds. This thread isn't for the argument you're bringing to the thread.

 

[qubit]

You don't buy types gonorrhea for entertainment ether. Your analogy is fail. There was no ungenuine effort to sell you the game. You should be buying a game because you want to play it. Not because it doesn't have a DRM which makes no difference in the gameplay. Unless you are going to use the game unintended by the makers.

erocker's right. If you want to discuss the pros and cons of DRM in software, start another thread. That would be the cool thing to do.

 

[Mr McC]

You don't buy types gonorrhea for entertainment ether. Your analogy is fail.

- The whore is good (the game)
- The gonorrhea is bad (the DRM)
- You have no prewarning (bad)
-You claim a lack of knowledge of all details prohibits a negative view
- I illustrate that we both have a negative opinion of gonorrhea, without full knowledge or experience of gonorrhea

 

[TheMailMan78]

I'm not. I'm trying to understand the reasoning to "WATCH OUT".

- The whore is good (the game)
- The gonorrhea is bad (the DRM)
- You have no prewarning (bad)
-You claim a lack of knowledge of all details prohibits a negative view
- I illustrate that we both have a negative opinion of gonorrhea, without full knowledge or experience of gonorrhea

Bang the hooker. Run the risks.

 

[Breathless]

You don't buy types gonorrhea for entertainment ether.

Speak for yourself!

 

[overclocker]

Weird thread.

 

[RejZoR]

It's stupid that games on Steam require 2 protections. First one is the steam and then the one that comes with retail boxed game. Nonsense. All games on Steam should be stripped and all the extra protections other than Steam completelly removed.

 

[RoutedScripter]

Where does the install limit save , DRM servers ? , what about if you disconnect internet, try installing/ uninstalling with unplugged cable

as for other games , i doubt there was drm server , it had to be saved on DVD it self , i don't know for digital games, i never bought them.

When installing a retail game , disabling DVD write function could prove if this is the case.