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At even a virtual 2cents, JayZ is grossly overcharging.

I have 6 temp sensors connected to a 6 channel digital readout. They measure to 0.1 C accuracy:

Top rad temp In / Top rad temp out
Bot rad temp In / Bot rad temp out
Ambient Air / Inside case Air

i don't get the goal of having low temps.... For Radiator design in high end PCs ... 10C is considered the "hi end goal. Heat transfer is proportional to"Delta T"... so if your goal is 1C, you need 10 times cooling capacity at 1C than 10C

Im playing an MMO right now , not at all demanding ... GPU load is 17%. Fans are not spinning (they shut off at low temps) , Temp Drop across the 420 x 45mm is 1.0 C; Temp; Temp Drop across the 280 x 60mm is 0.7 C. Ambient is 23.7 / Water temp is 30.1. So what would be the point of getting water temps at 1C above ambient ? Never thought to try it but Im sure that fans not spinning is quieter than fans spinning even if the noise doesn't exceed ambient and ya can't tell the difference.

The system Im typing from has a gross component heat load of about 700 watts. The rads will need to handle about 60% of that load; part of the other 40% is radiated thru rad shrouds, tubing heat sink exposed surfaces etc. with alarge part of it actually not present because you never hot peak loads on all components at the same time. When running 100% stress tests, the GPUs reach 39C with fans at set 1200rpm. Based upon the fan curve however, they top out at about 44C and < 800 rpm under Furmark .... 550 - 600 rpm when gaming at 41C

Addressing the problem is kinda like telling the doc you don't "feel good".....

1. What are fan rpms ?... we use 140mm fans w/ max rpm of 1200 rpm. if you replace the Noctua fans on a Noctua cooler with Phanteks low speed fans, temps drop 6C at the same RPM

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"The Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS is the clear winner in every respect. It edged out the new Noctuas every step of the way, delivering the best overall results of any fan we’ve tested thus far. To top it off, it had cleanest, smoothest sound of all the new fans in this roundup. If we had to start from scratch, this might be our new reference model.

2. What pump and what speed ? ,,, in other words are you maintaining 1.0 - 1.25 gpm. On dual rad systems we use the Swiftech 35X2 dual pump with heat sink and fan. back in the day when twin x70s in SLI were 49% faster than the x80 at the same price, water coolers could gain a boon by putting the GPU water blocks in parallel.... GPUs, due to their huge block size, need far less flow so pushing say 1/2 gpm theu the CPU worked well with 0.60 gpm thru each GPU ... as the 39C results under Furmark showed.



https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/tag/35x2/ ... highly recommend the optional heat sink and fan

3. Radiator fans ALWAYS blow in . no exceptions ... ever ... unless of course your goal is to reduce cooling efficiency

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Don't fall for the "gotta get the air out" nonsense

a) whats left in side your PC that needs cooling besides GPU CPU and potentially MoBo VRMs

b) Every cu.ft. that is blown into your case exits you case... id guess with your set up you are blowing into your case, is exiting your case ... if not conservation of mass dictates your case exploded. Ever use a window fan to blow cool air in at nighy after a hot day. Works great don't ? ... well it does if you open a 2nd window to let the hot air out. You don't neeed a 2nd fan to blow air out do you . ? Every cuft of air that is blown in by that fan goes out that other window ... your case grilles are the other window.

c) If water temp is 38C, ambient is 23 C and say interior case temp is 28C, what will cool 38C water better... air at 23C or air at 28C ? You get 50% more cooling at 23C

If the air coming out of your top radiator is warm, it's up side down.

You have way more rad than me and I'm running way cooler with more load.

If you want to get the skinny on doing the thermodynamic calculations ... having taught college level fluid mechanics and thermodynamics we wanted to apprpoach this from a "calculations" point oif view and then perform lab testing to add any necessary constants. We worked with the data from Martins liquid lab and modeled dozens of builds. With designs based upon a Delta T of 10C,, accuracy never wavered more than 5%.

If you want to download the spreadsheet calculators for various rads... do a web search on "Radiator Size Calculator overclock.net"

4. One more thing ... are you creating negative pressure inside you case ? Generally negative pressure's downside is discussed in terms of dust. You should be less concerned with the dust than what is carrying it in.

Let's 'do the math. Likely won't match what ya got but the example holds.:

We have no data on the fans so lets assume that one of your 120mm fans = 1 "equivalent fan" or 1.00 EF ... that would make the 140s = 1.36 EF. So with a 480 and 420 blowing out , we must have at least:

4 x 1.00 EF = 4.00 EF @ 480 rad
3 x 1.36 EF = 4.08 EF @ 420 rad
1 x 1.00 EF = 1.00 at case rear

Total = 9.08 out

Again the actual numbers don't matter... change to fit what you got .

Now those exhaust fans have no intake filters so there's no intake restriction from dust clogging the filters which can restrict air flow up to 30% when dirty ... lets call it 20 % and assume (4) 140mm intake fans.

(4) x 1.36 x 80% = 4.35 EF

So with 4.35 EF coming in and 9.08 going out you have quite a air deficit there. That means the missing air is coming in thru your case grilles and vented slot covers .... and where are they ? Most times they are going to be right near your 300 watt GPU exhaust and your 1000 watt PSU exhaust. Fortunately, to see if this is happening, you can invest in a $39 "garage band fog machine. Mount your rads and fans .. or just the fans and run a test ... pointing the fog back at those open grilles and vents.... if your case fills up w/ fog, you are pulling air in ... if those grilles are next to GPU / PSU exhaust, its hot air.
 
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Speed up all the fans but still in quite zone and the pump at 100% seem help. Water temp idle now is 26c, stress test for 20m and it goes up by 2c. Ambient is 74f or 23.3c. The new pump will be here at the weekend so I have to wait for a few days.
 
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Ignore the previous posts waffling and the obvious typo circled in the picture, He keeps rehashing that misinformation any chance he has.
The diagram says it all, fans blowing the air out through the radiator is the best means of cooling the case.
 
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Do we really need the down tubes in reservoir? I see something in the ek reservoir but the one I just bought is empty. The swiftech one has the membrane filter and I like it but anyone know where to buy it. I use silver coil and it could drop to a pump without something keep it in place.
 
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delid+cooper ihs+mo-ra3 = cool temp. maybe I CAN HIT 5.4GHZ. Just enter random number in bios and got 5.3. could lower a bit. 5.2ghz at 1.19v load and temp in the 60s.
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Hi,
EK dual D5 is a pretty popular setup
Best thing about D5's is they are quiet
I have dual ek D5's just in different orientation than most, case limitations
1-D5 pump reservoir combo and 1-D5 top

I use 360 mora I have two of them

Only way to know what flow is you'd have to add a flow meter.

If you go by what 2cents says he's also said flow doesn't matter lol :)
 
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Its just my 2080ti. I still cant get it to ambient at load. Ambient 23c, water temp 26c, idle temp is 26c and 35c is load temp. My surface area now is larger than 4x 480 that Jay did it the video. My 2080ti runs at 2190mhz and 8200mhz.
 
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Hi,
The way mora's are designed there is little to no restriction so if flow is low it's happening some where else
But nothing wrong with D5's they are preferred by many it's just a single loop would need two or you'd be best with two seperate loops and they would have one pump per so there it is two d5's for a single loop.
Add a real flow meter not one with a silly spinning wheel then all speculation is gone.
 
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All flow indicator I see has a spinning wheel. Which one you talking about ? Is it this

 
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Hi,
Yep that will work :thumb:
You can get tips on it here
 
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Its weird guys. In the afternoon, I tested the card temp and it was 31c-32c during heaven benchmark. At night, I tested again and the temp was 38c-40c. Is it because I test the CPU before gpu and it heat up the loop so the card temp is worse?
 

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Its weird guys. In the afternoon, I tested the card temp and it was 31c-32c during heaven benchmark. At night, I tested again and the temp was 38c-40c. Is it because I test the CPU before gpu and it heat up the loop so the card temp is worse?
Have you got a photo of your setup? We might be able to spot something that is causing the issue... I can't understand the reason why your setup is warm with all that rad space.... It's not like the ambient temps are through the roof...
 
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HI,
Nothing weird
Loop is too complex for one D5 to give acquit pressure on the cpu or gpu cooling fins to better control stress

Tell you the truth disconnect all internal rads and just use the mora 420 for a single D5 it would likely work better.
 
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Im using the dual pump now.
 
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Hi,
Post an image of the setup.
What fluid are you using ?
 
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Pump straight to mo-ra3 outaide case then back in the front rad then cpu block then upper rad then rear rad then gpu then bottom rad.

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Hi,
I'd remove the little bottom and top rear rads they aren't not doing anything anyway.

Not sure what silver coil will do to nickle plating but i know ek would void any warranty using it with distilled or similar water
Have to think water block might be clogged you added a flow meter yet ?
 
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Flow meter is on the way.
 
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Hi,
Good once you get that bad boy in and set up you'll have more to go by
But seriously those 2 little rads are just in the way now once you added the mora 420 boom your done.

Hi,
Run R20 and lets see what the core temps look like afterwards.
What sp# is that chip you got mine is a 92
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My chip is 63. 5.3ghz llc7 1.33v in bios 1.296 at load and able to run avx blender bmw. Ram OC to 4400 cl17, cache 50. R20 with real time hits 6951.Temp is the mid 70c during r20.
 
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Hi,
Sounds great nothing wrong with the cpu cooling
Think your gpu is put together properly
I've messed up using the wrong screws before and had bad contact and of course gpu temps were poor.
 
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No post after the first time I put the water block on the GPU, then second time the temp was extremely high (use wrong screw), the third time it worked.
 
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Hi,
EK water block ?
 
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