Weekly Battles

[FordGT90Concept]

What do you mean by confirmation Bias? Sorry.

You want it to be faster so you convince yourself it is faster. It is a commonality across all overclockers; it is their motivation for doing it no matter how little of a difference it makes.

As far as my rig, you read the ones with the issues but not the one that stated my soundcard was the issue. I re installed it with newer drivers and just finished beating my wprime personal best with a clock of 4650mhz. I can run 4.3 stable confirmed with intel burn test at 1.294v. Doesn't seem like it's degrading at all, it's never been better.

It is usually the motherboard that degrades/fails, not the processor (unless it burned itself out). The same applies to overclocking video cards.


I expect all my computers to last at least 10 years (excepting motherboard, PSU, and optical drives). I have one that is currently 12 years old and another that is 9. They still get occasionally used.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

bro I'm an enthusiast. I love gaming, benchmarking. I wouldn't by an i7 to leave it at stock. But everybody has opinions which I respect. I'm only giving mine.

ahh... im a little asshole there, maybe a little technocrat,too!
stock is futile!

i destroyed some hardware in my life, and let me say something to you:
it was never the overclock killing something, just my human dumbness.
like i said: only additional voltage will "burn" (electronic migration)
if it runs on 4 ghz, stock volts,normal temperature, it will live as long as the same proc used with the same voltage on stock.
i never "burned" a board out. only my psu´s tend to "pop" when too old (and older VGA, but i only got new with solid caps)
proove me that OC without overvolt damages anything!
i wont believe it anyways

EDIT: im a not a friend of old Rigs...

 

[Chicken Patty]

You want it to be faster so you convince yourself it is faster. It is a commonality across all overclockers; it is their motivation for doing it no matter how little of a difference it makes.



It is usually the motherboard that degrades/fails, not the processor (unless it burned itself out). The same applies to overclocking video cards.


I expect all my computers to last at least 10 years (excepting motherboard, PSU, and optical drives). I have one that is currently 12 years old and another that is 9. They still get occasionally used.

I agree fully. However I switch computers much more often so obviously since are expctations are different we think differently.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

proove me that OC without overvolt damages anything!

Because most manufacturers condone overclocking, no one keeps detailed records of failure rates at stock compared to those that have been overclocked. Adding to the difficulty is the fact that you can't tell if overclocking lead to the failure or if it was going to fail anyway. As such, there's no easy way to "prove" it. You'd need a lot of data with heavy statistical analysis to find out anything concrete on the subject. It's easier for manufacturers to just say no.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

as long the part holds at least 2-3 years, they have forfilled their duty.
i just cant explain why a higher clock frequency shall damage circuitry? there arent even electrons jumping the false path?!?
im open to suggestions, but if you cant explain it logically, i must stay my way,clocking the thing so hard,and so dirty,that you will shed a tear for it

so far, things look better with the new loop.

 

[ERazer]

i prefer to mildly oc when crunchin and max oc when playing game, i just dont see the point over stressing cpu/mb when u running it 24/7 and another factor is lots of heat, noise (full blast fan), and possibly bigger electric bill, well the my 2 cent.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

i prefer to mildly oc when crunchin and max oc when playing game, i just dont see the point over stressing cpu/mb when u running it 24/7 and another factor is lots of heat, noise (full blast fan), and possibly bigger electric bill, well the my 2 cent.

i just need a little more time to come to sleep,or a pillow over the ear. but the rigs are more impossible than:
a) my sleep
b) my health
i suffer from little sleep, but can help 3 sick children more, and raise my output

 

[FordGT90Concept]

i just cant explain why a higher clock frequency shall damage circuitry? there arent even electrons jumping the false path?!?

Transistors are physical gates (no, they don't flip back and forward but the electricity has to arc properly between the leads or it won't work properly). The more you open and shut a door, for example, the more worn the door jam becomes. When you make those gates operate outside of the parameters they were designed to operate, they will fail sooner than they would have otherwise. When just a single gate fails to operate as intended, you encounter all kinds of problems from BSODs, to bad memory calls, to pretty much any piece of data that transistor touches becoming tainted.

Turning in bad data doesn't help anyone.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

if the board dies, i get a new one. faboulos. it must even die fast, or otherwise it wont be under the guarantee...

in fact i would love if hardware would be dead cheap, but dies every 24 months, thru programming. you then return it to the manufacturer,where the good parts of it are recycled (to gold,copper,silver), to build better hardware with also new engineered parts, that gets handed to you for a small obolus, like "you buy from us, we equip you"

i hate also this i have the biggest vga, and biggest purse-vga-epeen-shit
and i also dislike if people buy the performance, not tweak it. that makes the real geek for me, the brother,the one whos accepted
every guy can buy himself performance. but not every one can tweak it.

how many boards and Vgas did you killed ford, to say, overclocking kills?

EDIT: doenst wcg have an internal error checker? it says error or invalid, if somethings wrong?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

how many boards and Vgas did you killed ford, to say, overclocking kills?

None. I have no reason to overclock. Even if I did, killing hardware directly through overclocking is a sign of carelessness.

All the motherboards and graphics cards of mine that died were in the infant mortality or wearout phase.

EDIT: doenst wcg have an internal error checker? it says error or invalid, if somethings wrong?

Because it sends the same work to two or more computers to process. If they don't match, it invalidates them and tries again. It won't ruin the project like it would in Folding @ Home but it is still time wasted.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

None. I have no reason to overclock. Even if I did, killing hardware directly through overclocking is a sign of carelessness.

All the motherboards and graphics cards of mine that died were in the infant mortality or wearout phase.



Because it sends the same work to two or more computers to process. If they don't match, it invalidates them and tries again. It won't ruin the project like it would in Folding @ Home but it is still time wasted.

you know that you cant tell shit about boards dieing from OC, when you never killed one?
sry that this sounds offensive, but today EVERYONE thinks im dumber then they are

 

[Chicken Patty]

you know that you cant tell shit about boards dieing from OC, when you never killed one?
sry that this sounds offensive, but today EVERYONE thinks im dumber then they are

no one thinks your dumber bro. You just want to get something and make it do what it can't. 3.9Ghz stable on a Phenom is something not everyone achieves. Yet you want 4ghz. 100 mhz more. You know we are all trying to help you, but you seem to take it the wrong way dude. Good luck on hitting 4ghz.


Ok guys, please let's get back on topic. Nobody is calling anybody dumb or dumber.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

no one thinks your dumber bro. You just want to get something and make it do what it can't. 3.9Ghz stable on a Phenom is something not everyone achieves. Yet you want 4ghz. 100 mhz more. You know we are all trying to help you, but you seem to take it the wrong way dude. Good luck on hitting 4ghz.


Ok guys, please let's get back on topic. Nobody is calling anybody dumb or dumber.

sry, that with the DUMBER counted for my RL... im not so agitated to the 4ghz anymore... for crunching, im happy with 3.964mhz.... until now, it ran stable, passed 75 iterations linx.we will see. thanks for your luck wishes,Daniel.
to go further:
im aggressive today to statements like:
"ah, youre wrong, but i dont can proof 1% of what i say,but im still right"
im open to critique, ever! but then i want HARD FACTS, or very personal experience with it.
Ford just had no base to argue on, but still did.
when i say: "heatkiller 3.0 ist best", i also post a link to a review at XS, to proove it,for example.
sry if my writing sounds offensive or aggressive, im currently in a mood, where im close to do something very aggressive...
Daniel, no hard feelings... especially not to you, im really lucky i found this community, but if you like something very much, little things may make you very enraged... i simply hate when my reputation gets a dang. i want to be a pro. and im just an amateur.
ONTOPIC: i hope i will win today^^

 

[Chicken Patty]

It's David, and forget about what Ford said. Lets drop it.

Crunch on

 

[hat]

Turning in bad data doesn't help anyone.

That's why we have stability testing programs. I validate stability with OCCT Linpack. Nothing is more rigorous.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

It's David, and forget about what Ford said. Lets drop it.

Crunch on

sorry, i always think on daniel jackson when i think on david, dont know why. like them both

An i think on Ford from Postman, when hearing Ford

 

[Chicken Patty]

Velvet keeping things alive, taking it to day 7 This has been the closest battle so far

look at the 3rd column, those are the numbers from yesterday. Velvet is in the lead today as well.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

i silently increased my NB clocks to 2700mhz

 

[Chicken Patty]

i silently increased my NB clocks to 2700mhz

I'm sure ford has something up his sleeve for today

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I'm sure ford has something up his sleeve for today

They generate the points they generate. I'm not changing anything. That doesn't mean I couldn't. Science is better done slow, steady, and accurate.

 

[Chicken Patty]

They generate the points they generate. I'm not changing anything. That doesn't mean I couldn't. Science is better done slow, steady, and accurate.

Well you said you have some rigs that don't run 24/7. That's what I meant.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

To clarify: they aren't going to be running any longer than they normally do and two of the computers are equipped to be overclocked (excessive cooling, high speed RAM, flexible motherboards) but I won't.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

now you gain respect from me ;-)
you better like to live your principles,than to win.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Ford, nobody is telling you to overclock anything. Any post related to you you start talking about how overclock this overclock that. Come on dude I know I said to drop this but seriously there is no need for you to post the way you are man. It's not the first time you do so neither.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Meh.