What comes after nanometer?

[hat]

With the thread in the News about new 22nm hardware, I am forced to wonder what will come after nanometer?

 

[Assassin48]

wouldn't it be the atom?

 

[theorw]

No its PICOmeter...

 

[Mussels]

i dont think we'll see CPU's based on a picmoter design in our lifetimes.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

At some point CPUs cant be build any smaller because auf physical limitations... at this point they have to ramp up the number of cores dramatically, or they have to build a quantum or DNA-based computer... to get uberperformance,or at least, more than with just a shrink

look at 45 nm cpus, theyre a lot more fragile than 65 or even 110 nm...So, at one point, ultimative fragility will have been reached. and that will probably be not far from 22 nm

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Eventually it will just be lots of nanobots on a wafer doing the buisness.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

Gives the term "Grey Goo" a whole new meaning

 

[Bundy]

i dont think we'll see CPU's based on a picmoter design in our lifetimes.

Brave statement. I'm going to make sure I live long enough to prove you wrong now

I think in 10 years we will be seeing entirly different fabrication methods and materials that may make what we have now look rather shabby.

 

[Mussels]

Brave statement. I'm going to make sure I live long enough to prove you wrong now

I think in 10 years we will be seeing entirly different fabrication methods and materials that may make what we have now look rather shabby.

i think they'll focus more on parallelism than shrinking it down.

 

[InnocentCriminal]

I think in 10 years I'll be dead.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

Youre to positive... i bet you will have to live at least 20 years from now

i tend to high tech supercomputers, and if these wont be constructed, they could at least throw this 24core mainstream proc to the market ^^

 

[Bundy]

i think they'll focus more on parallelism than shrinking it down.

yes I agree but dont power usage and size count as well?

 

[W1zzard]

At some point CPUs cant be build any smaller because auf physical limitations...

use google and find out what the real physical limitations are. there is a good article on that. we are at least several hundred years away from those

 

[Velvet Wafer]

sorry im german my english isnt that good, my ways of adequate conversation are a little limited... i meant the leakage issue, which will get a problem if they make continous die-shrinks... i must not tell you, you already know what i mean

At some point there will be Inventions that will change everything about them little chips. no more SOI and HKMG tech. but thats far in the future...

 

[Mussels]

w1zzards from germany too, i'm sure you could post something in german if you dont know how to translate it. Just try and keep an english version in the same post (to the best of your ability)

 

[Deleted member 3]

sorry im german my english isnt that good, my ways of adequate conversation are a little limited... i meant the leakage issue, which will get a problem if they make continous die-shrinks... i must not tell you, you already know what i mean

Exactly, an issue. And there is a solution, most likely many. Believing there is an end to progress really is foolish.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

i never knew.... seems germans are responsible for nearly everything: Luxury Cars, processor diffusing, TPU?

Progress ist dependant on the Intelectual Powers of the Inventor. (And i dont see Intel getting better. except for integrated MC)

 

[W1zzard]

Progress ist dependant on the Intelectual Powers of the Inventor. (And i dont see Intel getting better. except for integrated MC)

intel has the best people on the planet, that money can buy. they have been the leading company in that segment for over 20 consecutive years.

why isnt intel getting better ? p4 -> c2d -> c2q -> i7

 

[Odin Eidolon]

quantum computers FTW!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer

 

[lemonadesoda]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI

 

[Mussels]

intel has the best people on the planet, that money can buy. they have been the leading company in that segment for over 20 consecutive years.

why isnt intel getting better ? p4 -> c2d -> c2q -> i7

lets pretend P4 wasnt part of that. Early P4 was slower than P3.


Intel seems to have a trend now: first generation on a new socket runs fast, but also very hot: they work on power efficiency with the later generations. Once they get it all down and perfect (think 45nm C2D vs early 775 P4) they start a new socket, and let it go all over again.

 

[Deleted member 3]

And i dont see Intel getting better. except for integrated MC)

How exactly is the memory controller related to the production process which your leakage issue belongs to?
Besides Intel there are more giants pumping billions into research of both their production process and chip designs, think IBM, Samsung, TI, TSMC, Toshiba, etc.

 

[W1zzard]

Intel seems to have a trend now: first generation on a new socket runs fast, but also very hot: they work on power efficiency with the later generations. Once they get it all down and perfect (think 45nm C2D vs early 775 P4) they start a new socket, and let it go all over again.

anything wrong with that?

 

[Mussels]

anything wrong with that?

not at all. it seems to work quite well for them.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

They sure have. They also have an inhuman management, regarding Prices and their ways of forcing AMD out of the business. I mean, when you buy a Proc from them, its most Times more expensive than its AMD Counterpart,not ever,but mostly. due to hkmg these things do real well, but tend to die faster than their amd cousins, when overclocked with increased Vcore (so i read). Most Intel procs needed somehow more expensive hardware, to catch up with it. Amd builds were cheap as hell since i ever touched a keyboard. The only thing that Intel did better since Socket A days, was Performance.... (and they dont fucked their first quadcore) but i dindt mind if i dont have the fastest proc. (lets say 20-25% slower overall) and its more reliable,cheaper, and cooler (phenom 2 compared to i7 in this case)

It was just in my Eyes, other People might think other...