what happened to Alan Wake?

[newtekie1]

no point in rushing a game that requires Quad-core for normal FPS
whos going to buy it? not a lot of people have quad-core

I don't believe the game will require a Quad-Core. However, I do believe the effects and physics in the game will be drastically reduced if you don't have a Quad.

@Xbox360 Fanboys: Btarunr wasn't bashing the Xbox360, so unbunch your panties. He was simply saying that the Xbox360 isn't capable of putting out the visuals that we saw in the trailer, which is completely true, and that leads him to believe Alan Wake isn't Xbox360 exclusive. He never said the Xbox360 was bad and he never said Alan Wake wouldn't run on the 360.

 

[CDdude55]

I enjoy all platforms. More likely going to get Alan Wake for 360 as it should be much less of a hassle to get it to run if it really is much of a system hog.

 

[CDdude55]

I don't believe the game will require a Quad-Core. However, I do believe the effects and physics in the game will be drastically reduced if you don't have a Quad.

@Xbox360 Fanboys: Btarunr wasn't bashing the Xbox360, so unbunch your panties. He was simply saying that the Xbox360 isn't capable of putting out the visuals that we saw in the trailer, which is completely true, and that leads him to believe Alan Wake isn't Xbox360 exclusive. He never said the Xbox360 was bad and he never said Alan Wake wouldn't run on the 360.

Assuming Alan Wake is exclusive to a platform because you think ''it doesn't look like it will look as good on 360'' isn't a good assumption. Now considering Microsoft Game Studios is also in the mix with the game you can bet its for both systems. But i can pretty much bet that the 360 version looks as good.

 

[Fitseries3]

console will never be as good as a computer. hence why i do not have one and never will.

 

[CDdude55]

console will never be as good as a computer. hence why i do not have one and never will.

Missing out on some great games all because of visuals.:shadedshu

Edit: thought you said ''console will never look as good as computer.''lol

 

[newtekie1]

Assuming Alan Wake is exclusive to a platform because you think ''it doesn't look like it will look as good on 360'' isn't a good assumption. Now considering Microsoft Game Studios is also in the mix with the game you can bet its for both systems. But i can pretty much bet that the 360 version looks as good.

No, it isn't because "it doesn't look like it will look as good on the 360" what ever the hell that means. He said he doubts it will be Xbox360 exclusive because the trailer looks better than anything the Xbox360 is capable of. The graphics in the trailer go far beyond what the 360 is capable of.

Missing out on some great games all because of visuals.:shadedshu

He never said anything about visuals, don't jump to conclusions. PCs are far better than any console, IMO, and visuals have nothing to do with my opinion.

 

[btarunr]

It's ok, we don't need to get heated up over something this trivial. I do believe there is a PC version, because it was demonstrated at IDF (to promote Core 2 Quad). They wouldn't kill hundreds of man-hours of work (developing it) if they wanted to make an x360-exclusive title. Let's move on.

 

[CDdude55]

No, it isn't because "it doesn't look like it will look as good on the 360" what ever the hell that means. He said he doubts it will be Xbox360 exclusive because the trailer looks better than anything the Xbox360 is capable of. The graphics in the trailer go far beyond what the 360 is capable of.



He never said anything about visuals, don't jump to conclusions. PCs are far better than any console, IMO, and visuals have nothing to do with my opinion.

1.Yes, and that is judging by VISUALS(saying he doubts its an exclusive due to the looks). Where in which is why i said you shouldn't look at the trailer of a game and think that just because it looks good it can't be on consoles,considering the fact that Microsoft just pushed 360's life up to the ten year cycle like the PS3, i do believe that this is just the mid point for 360 and that throughout the years the games will only be looking better, bluring the line between the whole visuals debate which is already happening whether you like it or not(which i assume you don't).

2.Ya just put an Edit on my last post.

 

[CDdude55]

It's ok, we don't need to get heated up over something this trivial. I do believe there is a PC version, because it was demonstrated at IDF (to promote Core 2 Quad). They wouldn't kill hundreds of man-hours of work (developing it) if they wanted to make an x360-exclusive title. Let's move on.

Just had to get that across, but yes there is a PC version and it should looks good and play good like the rest of the versions.

 

[btarunr]

Just had to get that across, but yes there is a PC version and it should look best and play best compared to the rest of the versions.

FTFY, taking in to account the mainstream GPU of today.

 

[newtekie1]

1.Yes, and that is judging by VISUALS(saying he doubts its an exclusive due to the looks). Where in which is why i said you shouldn't look at the trailer of a game and think that just because it looks good it can't be on consoles,considering the fact that Microsoft just pushed 360's life up to the ten year cycle like the PS3, i do believe that this is just the mid point for 360 and that throughout the years the games will only be looking better, bluring the line between the whole visuals debate which is already happening whether you like it or not(which i assume you don't).

2.Ya just put an Edit on my last post.

That is the problem, yes graphics and visuals can and do improve over the life of a console. However, there is a limit, the hardware in the console can only do so much smoothly. This is why consoles need to be replaced, and we all still aren't running modern games on the Playstation One. The visuals in the trailer is far beyond what the Xbox360 is capable of rendering smoothly. The trailer was obviously gameplay footage from the PC version of the game. Even mid-range GPUs/CPUs overpower what the current generation of consoles are capable of, the visuals in the trailer could not have been created on a console.

I'm not saying that just because something looks good, it can't be from a console, however something that looks that good could not have been rendered on a console and maintained smooth framerates.

 

[erocker]

When DX10 was just being released this game was announced with much hoopla. Back in 2005. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615936p1.html I don't see what the problem is with it being released on Xbox360 and PC as a Xbox 360 is pretty damn close to using the same code as the PC. Essentially, you make the PC version where you can set your graphics settings based on your hardware. Some minor coding changes it goes to the Xbox 360 and the graphics settings are set by the developer so that it's optimized for the Xbox 360. Remember, the toughest part with GTA IV was making it for the PS3 and Xbox 360. Either way Alan Wake will be DX10 and will be able to look much better on the PC.

 

[r9]

I don`t own a XBOX 360. But taken in consideration price date of release I think it has amazing graphics.

 

[Darknova]

"Xbox Exclusive" Remember all the games touting that? What really happened? 3-6 months later it was released on the PC. It really wouldn't surprise me if the PC release was delayed for 3-6 months.

 

[CDdude55]

I won't deny that the PC will look better with some good bit of hardware. But you shouldn't underestimate what the consoles can do visually,consoles are looking better and better and sooner or later the difference graphically will be very hard to spot between the versions.

Also show me the trailer we are talking about, the E3 one right?

 

[erocker]

I won't deny that the PC will look better with some good bit of hardware. But you shouldn't underestimate what the consoles can do visually,consoles are looking better and better and sooner or later the difference graphically will be very hard to spot between the versions.

Also show me the trailer we are talking about, the E3 one right?

I have an Xbox 360 and I love it. For $199 it's a hell of a deal and games play at 1080p. The PC wins with being able to run higher textures, anti aliasing, and more anisotropic filtering, plus DirectX 10 features. But no, it doesn't underestimate what a Xbox 360 can do, plus every game for the Xbox 360 is optimized for the system.

The link in my post above has both the E3 2005 trailer and the E3 2009 demo to watch.

 

[CDdude55]

I have an Xbox 360 and I love it. For $199 it's a hell of a deal and games play at 1080p. The PC wins with being able to run higher textures, anti aliasing, and more anisotropic filtering, plus DirectX 10 features. But no, it doesn't underestimate what a Xbox 360 can do, plus every game for the Xbox 360 is optimized for the system.

The link in my post above has both the E3 2005 trailer and the E3 2009 demo to watch.

I agree to that.

Thanks for the links.

 

[btarunr]

I won't deny that the PC will look better with some good bit of hardware. But you shouldn't underestimate what the consoles can do visually,consoles are looking better and better and sooner or later the difference graphically will be very hard to spot between the versions.

Also show me the trailer we are talking about, the E3 one right?

It was a realistic estimate. Yes consoles keep getting better, but only when they advance in generations, and retain backwards compatibility with their predecessors' titles. Within a generation, however, nothing 'gets better' because the hardware specs of the console won't change. The only things that might change are the console's casing, the size of its PCBs, and revisions to the core components (CPU, memory, GPU), which don't make them faster or expand their capabilities, only changes such as die-shrinks that reduce TDP, controllers, storage, etc.

The E3 2009 trailer.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Its the new Duke Nukem...

 

[CDdude55]

Its the new Duke Nukem...

Except this game is actually being made.

 

[CDdude55]

It was a realistic estimate. Yes consoles keep getting better, but only when they advance in generations, and retain backwards compatibility with their predecessors' titles. Within a generation, however, nothing 'gets better' because the hardware specs of the console won't change. The only things that might change are the console's casing, the size of its PCBs, and revisions to the core components (CPU, memory, GPU), which don't make them faster or expand their capabilities, only changes such as die-shrinks that reduce TDP, controllers, storage, etc.

The E3 2009 trailer.

While that is true, consoles hardware has expanded itself throughout the years, more RAM the inclusion of HDD's faster clocked CPU's. If they didn't change we would still be stuck in the PS1 era of visuals, they do change, maybe not as much as PC or as fast but eventually they will catch up.

Oh the E3 2009 trailer, it does look good and the game looks great. Maybe it is the PC version idk.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Except this game is actually being made.

People keep saying that DN is being made too even though the company making it closed its doors.

 

[CDdude55]

People keep saying that DN is being made too even though the company making it closed its doors.

idk, i have heard that 3Drealms has just gotten back into business,but i think take two has it now and its up to them whether its going to be released or not i guess.

Its like at a stand still right now.

 

[newtekie1]

While that is true, consoles hardware has expanded itself throughout the years, more RAM the inclusion of HDD's faster clocked CPU's. If they didn't change we would still be stuck in the PS1 era of visuals, they do change, maybe not as much as PC or as fast but eventually they will catch up.

Consoles and PCs progress in different ways. PCs progress in a liniar fashion, they improve at a relatively constant rate over time, they are always improving. Consoles on the other hand, make huge leaps every so many years, and then progress realatively small amounts between leaps. Now when the consoles make the huge leaps, they usually always surpass the PC in terms of visuals. However, PCs usually catch back up a year or two into the console's life cycle. Just as an example of this, the Xbox and PS3 both looked better than PCs at the time of their release, but now the PCs definitely look better.

But really, that has nothing to do with the original comments. Obviously, consoles will be capable of the visuals in the trailer eventually. However, the current generation of consoles are not. We aren't discussing future consoles vs. PCs, we are talking about current consoles. The Xbox360 simply isn't capable of the visuals in that trailer.

 

[CDdude55]

Consoles and PCs progress in different ways. PCs progress in a liniar fashion, they improve at a relatively constant rate over time, they are always improving. Consoles on the other hand, make huge leaps every so many years, and then progress realatively small amounts between leaps. Now when the consoles make the huge leaps, they usually always surpass the PC in terms of visuals. However, PCs usually catch back up a year or two into the console's life cycle. Just as an example of this, the Xbox and PS3 both looked better than PCs at the time of their release, but now the PCs definitely look better.

But really, that has nothing to do with the original comments. Obviously, consoles will be capable of the visuals in the trailer eventually. However, the current generation of consoles are not. We aren't discussing future consoles vs. PCs, we are talking about current consoles. The Xbox360 simply isn't capable of the visuals in that trailer.

The first part is true,but i still think that consoles these days can keep up with PC visuals to a certain extent.

And that E3 2009 demo was being played on a 360:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGA3poy1tzQ