What will you do after January 14, 2020?

windwhirl · Mar 20, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Ltsb

Nope, that's for the ten years period. I'm talking about SAC (Semi-Annual Channel, the old Current Branch for Business). Although, the extended support (which is actually 30 months, not three years as I thought before) is only available on Enterprise and Education. And, again, I think that you need special servicing tools (WSUS or System Center Configuration Manager) to avoid OS upgrades during all that time.

Sources: Lifecycle fact-sheet and Release Information

erpguy53 · Mar 21, 2019

windwhirl said:
Nope, that's for the ten years period. I'm talking about SAC (Semi-Annual Channel, the old Current Branch for Business). Although, the extended support (which is actually 30 months, not three years as I thought before) is only available on Enterprise and Education. And, again, I think that you need special servicing tools (WSUS or System Center Configuration Manager) to avoid OS upgrades during all that time.

Sources: Lifecycle fact-sheet and Release Information

but if you look carefully at the MS Release info page there, windwhirl, the 1809 release is only available on SAC-T and LTSC channels, there's no SAC channel for 1809 yet.

https://www.askwoody.com/2019/when-will-ms-start-pushing-the-update-to-win10-1809-on-machines-set-for-the-sac-branch/

juiseman · Mar 21, 2019

I just installed Windows 7 Enterprise today because Windows 10 has gotten slowly worse for me.

The performance is just not there anymore; its an overweight bloated mess. it used to be lean and mean in July 2015.
Had a lot of issues with audio interfaces starting with 1703 I think....I was a first day adopter of WIN 10
and recommended it to everyone. But it got to the point of having to revert the updates 2 times. This was before I heard of the group policy edit.
I think reverting the updates messed up the install. it was taking 2 min to load on an 2000 mb sec NVme SSD....that's just stupid....

Once I got 7 up; i was booting in like 3 sec after post...

I'm going to ride 7 out for awhile. So long as all my software is working. so far my so good. clean as a whistle.
I plan to do regular backups incase I have an issue. But all the drivers on my x79/C600 chipset and NVME drive are good.
Happy to campout on 7 forever as long as I don't have a need for a program that is not compatible.

just my cents....

So far most people disagree with me, and don't have many issues ....(that they know about anyhow)...
I am a little more particular in that i know how my hardware should perform. And when its not; I start digging for
answers.

kastriot · Mar 21, 2019

I am on win 10 for a year now and before that i had win 7 enterprise but like they say "all good things come to end" and we must go with time.

juiseman · Mar 21, 2019

yes, I have 10 on my other 5 computers and 1 mac on OSX 10.13.6,
I have some Audio production software's that I use in my Studio that
needs to work when I need it too; not when Microsoft want's it to...

I'm hoping to ride out 7 until I really need to upgrade for some reason ...I'm all X79 and x58 rigs,
that work great for my needs. Until 8 and 10 core CPU's are not relevant anymore for the DAWs...
We will see how AMD new Cpu's perform at low latency audio. In this
respect Intel still is king. But I bet AMD will close the gap in the near future.

But yea I'll need to go back to 10 for sure if I upgrade to a new board....

lexluthermiester · Mar 21, 2019

juiseman said:
I just installed Windows 7 Enterprise

kastriot said:
I am on win 10 for a year now and before that i had win 7 enterprise

Out of curiousity, why would anyone use Windows 7 "Enterprise"?

GoldenX · Mar 21, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
Out of curiousity, why would anyone use Windows 7 "Enterprise"?

Easier to use with KMSPi... coff coff.
They had some DVDs around, and a valid licence, yeaaah.

Fizban · Mar 21, 2019

juiseman said:
I think reverting the updates messed up the install. it was taking 2 min to load on an 2000 mb sec NVme SSD....that's just stupid....

Definitely something wrong with your particular installation. Windows 10 boots up incredibly fast on my laptop. Not sure if faster than Windows 7 would necessarily, but at least comparably fast.

trparky · Mar 21, 2019

Fizban said:
Definitely something wrong with your particular installation. Windows 10 boots up incredibly fast on my laptop. Not sure if faster than Windows 7 would necessarily, but at least comparably fast.

I'd agree.

lexluthermiester · Mar 21, 2019

GoldenX said:
Easier to use with KMSPi... coff coff.
They had some DVDs around, and a valid licence, yeaaah.

That's not what I was wondering, Windows 7 Ultimate has everything a general or even power user could need, so what would 7 Enterprise have to offer that would make using it preferable?

Fizban said:
Definitely something wrong with your particular installation. Windows 10 boots up incredibly fast on my laptop. Not sure if faster than Windows 7 would necessarily, but at least comparably fast.

With an SSD, the difference isn't really noticeable. It's only a couple of second faster. Yay...

GoldenX · Mar 21, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
That's not what I was wondering, Windows 7 Ultimate has everything a general or even power user could need, so what would 7 Enterprise have to offer that would make using it preferable?

With an SSD, the difference isn't really noticeable. It's only a couple of second faster. Yay...

KMS server validations only work with Pro or Enterprise, so...

lexluthermiester · Mar 22, 2019

GoldenX said:
KMS server validations only work with Pro or Enterprise, so...

That's not what I'm asking though..

lexluthermiester said:
what would 7 Enterprise have to offer that would make using it preferable?

This. Why use it over 7 Ultimate?

windwhirl · Mar 22, 2019

erpguy53 said:
but if you look carefully at the MS Release info page there, windwhirl, the 1809 release is only available on SAC-T and LTSC channels, there's no SAC channel for 1809 yet.

https://www.askwoody.com/2019/when-will-ms-start-pushing-the-update-to-win10-1809-on-machines-set-for-the-sac-branch/

Yes, that is because SAC is meant to be released once Microsoft is sure that most of the bugs in SAC-T have been fixed. The 1809 release will probably be available on SAC after 19H1/1903 reaches SAC-T.

The whole release cycle is something like this: MS Internal builds -> Windows Insider Skip Ahead -> Insider Fast Ring / Slow Ring -> Release Preview -> SAC-T -> SAC

EDIT: I was not satisfied with what I wrote, so I run CMapTools and made something I hope is a little bit better.

Athlonite · Mar 22, 2019

windows 10 for everyone

juiseman · Mar 22, 2019

Windows 7 Enterprise is basically the same as Ultimate. But usually is more stable IMOP...

Lol.. yes KMSp was my fall back; but I found a legit key for $6 on Ebay. so no funny business needed....

Which is great. I never did trust the DAZ bootloaders or KMS Pico....I'm sure they both
have lots of dirty ware inside them. PLus the fact everyone and their mother probably reverse
engineers those and repost them online. so you never know what your getting into.

Munki · Mar 22, 2019

I will continue to ignore it. Just less times i'll have to reboot :roll:

Dinnercore · Mar 22, 2019

Gonna make the switch to templeOS.

Okay to be serious, I don´t care. I didn´t care back when XP was dropped and now I´ll do the same and just continue to use 7 on my systems that run on it. Most of them are offline anyway so whats the big deal.
My main system for work and important stuff is already on Win10 for a while now, but not out of free choice but rather because I needed it in order to make use of most recent hardware :/

Ahhzz · Mar 22, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
That's not what I'm asking though..

This. Why use it over 7 Ultimate?

I'm running Ultimate, and have been since the expo in Atlanta got me a free license. However, the KMS versions allow for activation of N and E versions, which remove stuff like mandatory IE, windows media player, etc. That's why I would go that route, anyway

As for after 2020? I'll continue to run Windows 7 Ultimate, unless the corporation I support which is moving to the LTSB process can manage to license me under their account. And I'm not sure if I'll do it then. 7 is stable for me, and my exposure to vulnerabilities is low. Even with wandering, as I'm prone to saying, "the back alleys of the Internet", I haven't had to deal with a personal instance of a virus or malware on the household PCs for years. I'll stick with 7 until I can't manage to force it onto my next system.

ManGupta · Mar 22, 2019

GoldenX said:
KMS server validations only work with Pro or Enterprise, so...

you can use Daz Loader instead of KMS and go for Ultimate Version.

GoldenX · Mar 22, 2019

ManGupta said:
you can use Daz Loader instead of KMS and go for Ultimate Version.

I was referring to legal KMS validation, but oh well, you're not wrong.

Komshija · Mar 22, 2019

I will keep Win 7 SP1 on my back-up laptop and Win 8.1 on my PC. Win 10 needs a lot more tweaking and deleting certain updates to block telemetry and other direct-spying tools.

lexluthermiester · Mar 22, 2019

juiseman said:
I never did trust the DAZ bootloaders

I've tried them out of curiousity, never had a problem as far as virii/malware. DAZ was/is clean.

ManGupta · Mar 24, 2019

Anyone here have any experience of running Spybot Antibecon on Windows 10 to enforce privacy. ...? ....... How good it is ? ... Does it work the way intended and blocks Microsoft's Spying.??

Anyone here have experience of using GPEdit to block Microsoft Update in Windows 10 ... ??

oxrufiioxo · Mar 24, 2019

Continue running Windows 10 like I've been doing since it launched.

Countryside · Mar 24, 2019

Havent used 7 for a long time now, will keep on using win10 on main pc and win8.1 on my workbench pc until support ends.

System Name	Desktop5
Processor	AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard	Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling	AMD Wraith Stealth
Memory	2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage	Kingston HyperX Fury 240 GB // Toshiba 2 TB HDD // WD 2 TB HDD // Mushkin Triactor 3DL 256 GB
Display(s)	LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case	Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply	Corsair CX650M
Mouse	Logitech Wireless Mouse M280 // Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard	HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software	Windows 10

Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 R2
Audio Device(s)	onboard Realtek ALC892
Power Supply	Seasonic S12II 620w (SS-620GB)

System Name	My PC
Processor	4670K@4.4GHz
Motherboard	Gryphon Z87
Cooling	CM 212
Memory	2x8GB+2x4GB @2400GHz
Video Card(s)	XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS Black Edition 1425MHz OC+, 8GB
Storage	Intel 530 SSD 480GB + Intel 510 SSD 120GB + 2x500GB hdd raid 1
Display(s)	HP envy 32 1440p
Case	CM Mastercase 5
Audio Device(s)	Sbz ZXR
Power Supply	Antec 620W
Mouse	G502
Keyboard	G910
Software	Win 10 pro

System Name	Ciel / Yukino
Processor	AMD Ryzen R3 1200 @ 3750MHz / Intel Core i3 5005U
Motherboard	MSI B350M PRO-VDH / HP 240 G5
Cooling	Wraith Stealth / Stock
Memory	2x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz @ 3466MHz / 2x 4GB Hynix + Kingston DDR3L 1600MHz
Video Card(s)	Sapphire R9 270X Toxic 2GB / Intel HD 5500
Storage	SSD WD Green 240GB M.2 + HDD Toshiba 2TB / SSD Kingston A400 120GB SATA
Display(s)	HP w17e 1440x900 @ 75Hz/ Integrated 1366x768 @ 94Hz
Case	Generic / Stock
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC892 / Realtek ALC282
Power Supply	Sentey XPP 525W / Power Brick
Mouse	Logitech G203 / Elan Touchpad
Keyboard	Generic / Stock
Software	Windows 10 LTSC x64 + Arch Linux

System Name	Dell G3
Processor	Intel i5-8300HQ
Memory	8 GB DDR4 @ 2666 mhz
Video Card(s)	NVIDIA GTX 1060 MAx-Q
Storage	1 GB Evo 960 + 256 GB M.2 SSD

System Name	My Super Computer
Processor	Intel Core i7 8700K
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming
Cooling	Corsair H55 AIO
Memory	2x8GB Crucial/Micron Ballistix Sport DDR4-2400
Video Card(s)	ASUS GeForce GTX1060 6GB
Storage	Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB SATA SSD (Game Drive)
Display(s)	HP 2311x and Acer G206HQL
Case	CoolerMaster MasterBox Lite 5 RGB
Audio Device(s)	On-Board Sound
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova 650 G3 Gold
Mouse	Logitech M705
Keyboard	Logitech Wave K350
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3

System Name	Cumquat 2000
Processor	AMD RyZen R7 2700 @ 3400MHz
Motherboard	Asus TUF X470-Plus Gaming
Cooling	Cryorig R1 Universal
Memory	16GB GSkill TridentZ DR4-3200 16-18-18-38 1.35V
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte RX580 Gaming 8GB
Storage	1X Samsung 860 EVO 500GB SATA AHCI 1x Sandisk 128GB PCIe, 12TB of HDD Storage
Display(s)	ViewSonic VX2457 MHD 75Hz FreeSync 1920x1080p
Case	SilverStone Raven RV02B-W + 3x SS AP181 + USB3.0 upgrade
Audio Device(s)	Creative SB X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro PCIe + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W Speaker set
Power Supply	Enermax RevolutionXT II 750W 80+ Gold
Mouse	Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard	Logitech G105
Software	Windows 10 X64 PRO (build 1903)
Benchmark Scores	it sucks even less much now ;)

Processor	AMD Ryzen 1700
Motherboard	Gigabyte AB350 GAMING 3
Memory	16GB (2x8) 3200MHz
Display(s)	Acer 24" LCD
Software	Windows 10 Pro

System Name	Night Fury
Processor	2x Xeon X5690 @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard	EVGA SR-2
Cooling	Water (1x 240mm, 1x 280mm + Mo-Ra 360 external radiator / dual D5s)
Memory	48GB (6x8GB)
Video Card(s)	RTX 2080 Super
Storage	Crucial MX500
Display(s)	24", 1440p, freesync, 144hz
Case	Nanoxia Deep Silence 6 Rev. B
Audio Device(s)	beyerdynamic MMX 300
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova T2 1600W
Mouse	OG steelseries Sensei
Keyboard	steelseries 6Gv2
Software	Windows 10
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/l6lid5 CB 15: 2100

System Name	Ironic
Processor	Intel 2500k 4.4Ghz
Motherboard	ASROCK\|Z68 PROFESSIONAL Gen 3
Cooling	Corsair H60
Memory	32GB GSkill Ripjaw X 1866
Video Card(s)	Sapphire R9 290 Vapor-X 4Gb
Storage	Samsung 860 EVO 1Tb/WD BLACK SN750 500GB NVMe
Display(s)	22" Dell Wide/ 22" Acer wide/24" Asus
Case	Antec Lanboy Air Black & Blue
Audio Device(s)	SB Audigy 7.1
Power Supply	Corsair Enthusiast TX750
Mouse	Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard	Corsair Vengeance K90
Software	Win 7 Ult 64 bit

System Name	1.21 gigawatts!
Processor	Intel Core i7 6700K
Motherboard	MSI Z170A Krait Gaming 3X
Cooling	Be Quiet! Shadow Rock Slim with Arctic MX-4
Memory	16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3000 MHz
Video Card(s)	Palit GTX 1080 Game Rock
Storage	Mushkin Triactor 240GB + Toshiba X300 4TB
Display(s)	Philips 237E7QDSB/00 23" FHD AH-IPS
Case	Aerocool Aero-1000 white + 4 Arctic F12 PWM Rev.2 fans
Audio Device(s)	Onboard Audio Boost 3 with Nahimic Audio Enhancer
Power Supply	FSP Hydro G 650W
Mouse	Cougar 700M eSports white
Keyboard	E-Blue Cobra II
Software	Windows 8.1 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench R15: 948 (stock) / 1044 (4,7 GHz) FarCry 5 1080p Ultra: min 100, avg 116, max 133 FPS

System Name	His & Hers
Processor	i9 9900k @5ghz/ R9 3900X Stock
Motherboard	Asus Maximus XI Code/ X570 Aorus Master
Cooling	Corsair h150i Pro Push/Pull. 5x Corsair ML120 + 4x Corsair LL120/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory	32 GB 4x8GB 3600mhz Corsair RGB Pro/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16
Video Card(s)	Asus ROG Strix 2080 ti/ Titan XP
Storage	lots of SSD.
Display(s)	Asus ROG PG278QR / MSI 27 inch VA panel.
Case	Corsair 500D SE RGB/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s)	Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech Z 625
Power Supply	Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 850w x2
Mouse	Logitech G903 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard	Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro

Processor	Ryzen 1200
Motherboard	X370 Prime A
Cooling	Wraith Prism
Memory	16gb
Video Card(s)	RX580 8gb Nitro+
Power Supply	Seasonic 620w
Software	Win 10 x64

What will you do after January 14, 2020?

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