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What would you buy?

What would you buy?

  • RX 5700 XT @ $150

    Votes: 1,242 9.0%
  • RX 6600 @ $170

    Votes: 943 6.8%
  • GTX 1080 Ti @ $170

    Votes: 1,390 10.0%
  • Arc A580 @ $180

    Votes: 580 4.2%
  • RX 6600 XT @ $200

    Votes: 2,432 17.6%
  • RTX 3060 @ $240

    Votes: 1,125 8.1%
  • RX 7600 @ $240

    Votes: 2,700 19.5%
  • RTX 4060 @ $280

    Votes: 3,430 24.8%

  • Total voters
    13,842
  • Poll closed .

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Intel has released Arc A580 recently, targeting a sub-$200 price point for Full HD gaming

RX 5700 XT @ $150
RX 6600 @ $170
GTX 1080 Ti @ $170
Arc A580 @ $180
RX 6600 XT @ $200
RTX 3060 @ $240
RTX 4060 @ $280

Which card would you buy?
 

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Why not A750?
Why not 6500xt?
Why not 3060 8G?
Why not laptop with A730m?
Only mining-free GPUs seems ok for my clients...
 

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A750 specifically excluded because it's just $10 more than the A580
6500 XT is way too slow
3060 is included
 
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A750 specifically excluded because it's just $10 more than the A580
6500 XT is way too slow
3060 is included
Well I have to say that the 6500XT is pretty fine for 1080P Gaming, No you are not going to enjoy 1440P but as a starter system it is good. In fact the 6500XT is almost as fast as the 5600XT. the clock speed mitigates the 2GB difference of VRAM for both the GPU and VRAM of the 6500XT.
 

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Well I have to say that the 6500XT is pretty fine for 1080P Gaming, No you are not going to enjoy 1440P but as a starter system it is good. In fact the 6500XT is almost as fast as the 5600XT. the clock speed mitigates the 2GB difference of VRAM for both the GPU and VRAM of the 6500XT.
The 6500 XT is less than half the performance of Arc A580
 
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Surprisingly 2080 ti didn't make it but it's 300W, 360 when properly unlocked so no love. In that case 4060
 
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The 6500 XT is less than half the performance of Arc A580
I never said it was spectacular but with a Freesync monitor would you feel the difference between 50 FPS and 90?
 
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I guess I'll go with 5700XT, that card carries heavy burden on its back and competes with the 2070 all the way to 2080Ti.
 
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Most of these GPU's would be a sidegrade for me, since I already have a 2070 Super...
 

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My vote goes to RTX 4060 simply because of DLSS and Frame Gen being superior pretty much across the board in every game. That really gives the RTX 4060 a lot of longevity and much needed extra oomph for 1080p high refresh gamers.

I am considering selling my 7900 XT when RTX 4080 Ti comes out, as much as I love AMD they will just never be able to compete with DLSS and Frame Gen tech.

I hate that the industry is moving in this direction, but it is what it is.

Most of these GPU's would be a sidegrade for me, since I already have a 2070 Super...

I think this vote is more aimed at new builders of 1080p resolution usage, at least I would assume.
 
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My vote goes to RTX 4060 simply because of DLSS and Frame Gen being superior pretty much across the board in every game. That really gives the RTX 4060 a lot of longevity and much needed extra oomph for 1080p high refresh gamers.

I am considering selling my 7900 XT when RTX 4080 Ti comes out, as much as I love AMD they will just never be able to compete with DLSS and Frame Gen tech.

I hate that the industry is moving in this direction, but it is what it is.



I think this vote is more aimed at new builders of 1080p resolution usage, at least I would assume.
Yo[u should wait to see what Games support FSR 3 for Frame Gen goodness. I have found that sticking with AMD does give you a satisfaction when people are telling you how weak your card still is. In fact we have people complaining about a lack of driver support from 8 years ago. I will never see that in an Nvidia thread.
 
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If I'm considering $150-280 then it'll be on the lower range, so I voted 6600. I have a 6600 XT and it's a great card but for the games I play on my 1080p rig, the 6600 would be fine for less $. Getting to the 7600 and 4060 range, I'd rather save longer and go for a better card for 1440p.

But then what have I actually bought recently (-ish)? A 5600 XT for $115. Better deal than all of these and even plays Starfield pretty well at 1080p.
 
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Among these, the 7600 or 6600XT;

Fake frames gen is rubbish in any scenario, but on entry-level GPUs it's even weirder, you supposedly need 60fps to get good results. Your entry-level GPU is struggling to reach 60fps in buggy games, what are you going to do? In addition to fake frames, also use upscaling at 1080p? The same goes for RT. :kookoo:
 

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Yo[u should wait to see what Games support FSR 3 for Frame Gen goodness. I have found that sticking with AMD does give you a satisfaction when people are telling you how weak your card still is. In fact we have people complaining about a lack of driver support from 8 years ago. I will never see that in an Nvidia thread.

we already have reviews from FSR 3 Frame Gen from several sites, the hardware unboxed video on it was pretty damning. it just doesn't meet the quality that DLSS3 frame gen provides.

hopefully it gets better though, but I am not optimistic, AMD has always been behind on software features... I still remember back in the day getting excited over AMD Mantle, it was overhyped and didn't last long at all

 
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we already have reviews from FSR 3 Frame Gen from several sites, the hardware unboxed video on it was pretty damning. it just doesn't meet the quality that DLSS3 frame gen provides.

hopefully it gets better though, but I am not optimistic, AMD has always been behind on software features... I still remember back in the day getting excited over AMD Mantle, it was overhyped and didn't last long at all

I can understand that narrative but I have been an AMD user since the original 6800 and have not been disappointed. I see it as Matchbox vs Hot Wheels in many ways and have never been disappointed with upgrades. The 6800 was replaced with the 7950 and then that got Crossfire for TW Shogun2 or Rome 2 then that was Vega 64 and then that was 580 and then 570 for Crossfire then Vega came and gave double the performance but supported crossfire. Then I got a 5600XT and that turned into a 6800XT. Now I am rocking a 7900XT and absolutely love Gaming at 4K. The thing is we don't need upscaling to enjoy the 7900XT. Just give it another 6 months to year and experience those things for yourself.
 
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we already have reviews from FSR 3 Frame Gen from several sites, the hardware unboxed video on it was pretty damning. it just doesn't meet the quality that DLSS3 frame gen provides.

hopefully it gets better though, but I am not optimistic, AMD has always been behind on software features... I still remember back in the day getting excited over AMD Mantle, it was overhyped and didn't last long at all

Mantle is alive in DX12 and Vulkan APIs. There's no point in continuing to invest money in your own low-level API when other people are already doing it for you.
 

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I can understand that narrative but I have been an AMD user since the original 6800 and have not been disappointed. I see it as Matchbox vs Hot Wheels in many ways and have never been disappointed with upgrades. The 6800 was replaced with the 7950 and then that got Crossfire for TW Shogun2 or Rome 2 then that was Vega 64 and then that was 580 and then 570 for Crossfire then Vega came and gave double the performance but supported crossfire. Then I got a 5600XT and that turned into a 6800XT. Now I am rocking a 7900XT and absolutely love Gaming at 4K. The thing is we don't need upscaling to enjoy the 7900XT. Just give it another 6 months to year and experience those things for yourself.

I agree, never had issue and love my AMD cards for many years now, but the future of gaming seems to be DLSS crap, but maybe I am wrong. I am happy for now, plus I am moving to Ubuntu 23.10 which just came out today, so AMD makes sense for me anyway.
 
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I think this vote is more aimed at new builders of 1080p resolution usage, at least I would assume.

Well I game at 1440p high refresh! :D
 

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Well I game at 1440p high refresh! :D

I just hope your e-cores aren't holding you back any

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I just hope your e-cores aren't holding you back any

Why would it.
I've got 8 P-cores @ 5GHz at my disposal for gaming. :D

No issues at least with the games I play.
 

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Why would it.
I've got 8 P-cores @ 5GHz at my disposal for gaming. :D

No issues at least with the games I play.

try custom battles on the first total war warhammer and monitor core usage.
 
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Surprisingly 2080 ti didn't make it but it's 300W, 360 when properly unlocked so no love. In that case 4060

Probably a little too expensive for this list. That said, I think this market is odd...as it's essentially the below-console market, which you could argue will soon go away (or will start to struggle considerably; think a xbox series s). I *personally* wouldn't suggest buying into it at all, as arrogant as that may sound. The performance isn't high-enough to guarantee a good 1080p experience in all games, and that's without touching upon the 8GB buffer of these products. It's worth saving up a few more bucks for a 2080 ti if you can't wait a little bit.

Firstly we have a (4nm?) 7600 refresh coming, and that will probably have 16GB and actually compete with a current console while being the cheapest 'new' product in the market.
Later, a low-end Blackwell will likely be 6144 shader processors and likely compete with the PS5 pro, the 4nm Navi 32 successor, and Battlemage. Lots of people will buy these or (then) cheaper 7800xt.
Later than that, I have to believe AMD has a 3nm APU planned that is ~1536(3072sp) that will essentially replace the former while their next gen discrete is similar to Blackwell.

As I've said before, I think 2080ti is the way to go being that they can be found for half the price that a 4060 ti 16GB launched. In the past I think an argument could be made for newer lower-end cards because of power consumption, card size, and performance improvements beyond the dollar depreciation of the former gen, but in reality those are often not huge factors anymore UNLESS you buy into Huang's Law (that you buy a new generation for improved features, not raw perf[/$] improvements), which I personally do not; AMD has shown with FSR/AsFuckMoFo just how much bullshit that marketing speak truly is. There might be scenarios you think you need a smaller card, but there are literally TONS of small cases out there now that support a full-size GPU (with or without using a riser cable). As for power, any decent card now uses two 8-pin connectors...the same as 2080 ti. It used to appear as a (relatively) unwieldy monster, but given how the market has shifted to bigger cards that use more power, it actually isn't anymore.

While I understand that software development takes time and resources, I'll always put my dollar toward what is tangible, as with software a free alternative will generally become available eventually. This is why I've long-supported AMD's overall value, as over time the stronger inherent performance/$ (or adequate VRAM buffer per product) has shown to have staying power beyond the gimmicks nVIDIA typically shows off to sell their products when they are new (but then don't age well for the next gimmick). nVIDIA is very good at capitalizing on people's short attention spans and fomo, while 2080 ti keeps on truckin' for most settings people actually play games.

I understand that some people dislike old stock for some reason, but I've never been one of those people. If you hate buying used, or think because a new generation is released that old products cease to exist for some reason, please do spend twice as much money for similar performance. I won't stop you. I will, however, laugh quietly to myself as you fall into Huang's trap.

The 'secret' in all of this is that 2080ti gains 20% performance from overclocking, which doesn't show up on most charts. Maybe W1Z can revisit this with a current high-end CPU and driver improvements, as you have to remember when comparing products that original tests done on 2080ti are now very old. Even between 2080 ti reviews drivers helped performance quite a bit.

Some people think "Well, I could overclock a 3070/3070 Ti/4060 Ti." Sure, you could overclock that (arguably insufficient) 8GB card that costs more money, but it also overclocks like shit, because Samsung for Ampere and locking down 'overclocking' on Ada to 10%, and they will in-fact perform worse in many cases. Even 3080 10 or 12GB isn't a tangible improvement. I'm glad W1z keeps 2080ti on the current testing list, as most people don't stop and realize that it still does in-fact exist and isn't at all a bad option. Sure, it launched at $1000, but now can sometimes be found for 1/4 of that. That is because it's old; it was the first card with that performance level (and DLSS). That performance level, however, is still extremely relevant (as is DLSS) because Moore's Law is effed.

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I'm generally curious, what are peoples' demarkation line? Is it more than 8GB? It has it; 11 ain't that far from 12. Is it DLSS? It has it. It won't do native 4k in some titles, but it's the lowest-end product DLSS will make the output decent. Maybe you have to use 'balanced' over 'quality', but that's really not that big of a deal considering the next step up is quite a bit more money, while many products below it are again not sufficient for 1080p.

The only user I would suggest to think twice are people that use 1440p native and don't want to ever use DLSS Quality, which is in-fact a fairly weird scenario (lower native rez than 1080p). If I were them, and also a value shopper, I would wait until N4x/Battlemage/PS5pro launches and scoop up a discounted 7800xt. It is destined for a lower-end market, just like N22 evolved (6700xt went from $479->$320 over a relatively short period)...people just don't realize it yet because it's currently the best value out of the gate. When those upper-midrange cards launch next year prices are going to drop across the board, and the prices of those products themselves may end up being a relatively good value (especially to people that don't overclock and/or are on an older platform). nVIDIA may try to hide this by launching the 4080 TI at $1000-1200, but in reality pretty much everything 4080 and below is going to drop in price by one whole tier. That means 7800xt will go from being a decently-priced option to an extremely good value for those looking to buy new. It's very possible that card may become the 'new' 2080 Ti, as it also can gain ~20% performance overclocking and should keep up with a ps5 pro, while nVIDIA won't have any direct competition for it until Blackwell. Your options will likely be 4070 fighting the 7800xt, the 4070ti fighting N4x/BM, and 4080 fighting (a continously price-dropping) N31. All of the nVIDIA options are going to look VERY bad unless they either drop their prices substantially OR people buy into the marketing hype (until once-again the 5000-series dev-bought features will make them want to upgrade their AD104s and lower). They are certainly hoping for the latter.
 
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Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window / HP Pavilion
Audio Device(s) Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W / Powerbrick
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless / Logitech M330 wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless / HP backlit
Software Windows 11 / Windows 10
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock
try custom battles on the first total war warhammer and monitor core usage.

I don't have/play these warhammer games.

If it's hard on a i7 12700K , it will be hard on any recent CPU.
 
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