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hey there !

I will buy a new pc monitor and i need some help to decide from these 3 monitors :

-BenQ 23.8 "LED - GW2470HE (https://www.benq.eu/product/monitor/GW2470HE/).
-Dell 27" Monitor: SE2717H (http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-monitor-se2717h/...).
-samsung 24" LC24F390 (https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/led/samsu...).

i will used it mostly for gaming and planning to overclock the monitor to 75hz or whatever.

my specs:

cpu i7 7700k

gpu gtx 1060 6gb

ram 16gb ddr4 3200mhz single channel
 
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All three monitors are too different to say which is best.

The BenQ is a flat screen.
The Dell is a 27".
The Samsung is a curved screen.

You need to decide what you are looking for in a monitor first. What size do you want? Do you want curved or flat? How much do you want to spend? Then find the monitors that answer those questions. Then and only then can you pick the one that is best among those fitting that criteria.
 
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All three monitors are too different to say which is best.

The BenQ is a flat screen.
The Dell is a 27".
The Samsung is a curved screen.

You need to decide what you are looking for in a monitor first. What size do you want? Do you want curved or flat? How much do you want to spend? Then find the monitors that answer those questions. Then and only then can you pick the one that is best among those fitting that criteria.

Bill here is correct. We need you to answer those questions in order to help you pick out a monitor. Bill gave you a great idea of what the community needs to know before helping you make a choice. Once you answer those questions im sure everyone here will help you make your choice.

Also, welcome to TPU. :toast:
 
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All three monitors are too different to say which is best.

The BenQ is a flat screen.
The Dell is a 27".
The Samsung is a curved screen.

You need to decide what you are looking for in a monitor first. What size do you want? Do you want curved or flat? How much do you want to spend? Then find the monitors that answer those questions. Then and only then can you pick the one that is best among those fitting that criteria.
ok i want a flat screen and the size is not matter 24 or 27 is good .
allright the samsung out of the game now we have the BenQ and the Dell .
the Dell is the most expensive but if it is the best I will buy it .
the Dell is 27" IPS and 6ms response time.
the BenQ is 24" AMVA+ and 4ms response time
i want to know ho is better in gaming.

Also, welcome to TPU.
thnx man appreciate that :)
 
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Just looking at the specs I'd go with the BenQ. Better response time, higher contrast ratio, and 24" is big enough for me. Plus a lot of folks are saying AMVA looks better(darker blacks) than IPS. I'm not very well versed on the subject, and definitely don't have any real experience with it, though. So I'm really just guessing which I would prefer. I mean other than the size thing. Which I'd be fine with either way too.
 
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(AM)VA panels tends to have better contrast ratios.

IPS tends to have better color acuracy and viewing angles.

That's what it comes down to really. I prefer VA panels.
 
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(AM)VA panels tends to have better contrast ratios.
I agree, but unless you are doing a side-by-side comparison it is highly unlikely you could notice - assuming both monitors are setup properly.
IPS tends to have better color acuracy and viewing angles.
I agree with this too. HOWEVER, color accuracy is really a moot point unless you are a professional photographer dealing with human faces or the like. In games, all the scenery and "characters" are computer generated - basically cartoons. Who's going to know if it should be this red or that red?

Viewing angles is another issue however. That said, I think when it comes to computer monitors, viewing angles matter little because most users sit directly in front of their computer monitors anyway. It is not the same as your living room TV where there may be viewers sitting off to side.

So I think, when it comes to color accuracy, brightness, and contrast, it really just comes down to how you feel the monitor looks to you. Not how it looks in the specs sheet.
 
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1. Advertised specs are useless ... can not be relied upon

2. Panel type is by no means an indicator of quality. For example, while it's fair to say that the best IPS screens has betetr quality than then the best TN, a $250 TN screen is better than a $250 IPS Screen. The best panels available today ate the Acer Predator 27" G-Sync model (XB271HU a steal at $499 ) and Asus version (PG279Q). Both use the AHVA IPS panel M270DAN02.6 from AU Optronic (165 Hz, 10 bit color, ~ 5 ms response ti and and < 3 ms lag. The color depth / contrast and sharpness on these panels is incredible to the extent that after playing for 2 hours on one, everything else looks "washed out"

3. If investing any significant amount of money, you do want to see the monitor in use and in actual conditions if at all possible... not in BestBuy under flourescent lighting for example.

4. The BenQ uses an AU Optronics AMVA 8 bit panel, 92 ppi (close enough to the target 96 minimum), 60 Hz. The Dell uses an 8 bit IPS panel, only 81 ppi (picture will appear grainy to folks with normal vision) , 60 Hz

5. Unfortunately, these models are in a price range which doesn't get much attention from the press; therefore quality reviews are rare. . A similar 27" BenQ model was reviewed by tftcentral
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_gw2760hs.htm

Like the model you specified, BenQ claims a 4ms response time... they also claimed that for the modrel linked above ... but, as I said before, advertised response times are bogus. TFT measured it the average at 10.9 ms ... but more importantly from 4.6 to 33.8 ms. Lag wasn't bad at 8.3 ms. The review concludes..."The response time of the panel was a little slow by modern IPS/PLS/TN Film standards, and this remains one of the weaker areas of this VA technology. It showed improvements over some older generation AMVA panels, but there were still reasonable levels of blurring evident and with a 10.9ms average G2G response time it was perhaps not suitable for higher end gaming. The effort to boost response times even more through the 'Premium' AMA setting proved very problematic and the overshoot and artefacts are definitely to be avoided "

6. I must say that when making recommendations for gaming monitors at 1080p, we recommend a starting price point of $250. The VG248QE has remained the most revered 1080p monitor among gamer's for years now. I just did a quick google search and while I wouldn't rate the PCgamers site as among the elite review sites, they still list it as the best 1080p monitor. It would seem that monitor manufacturers are not investing much in their 108p screens, the cost difference between 1080p and 1440p is not that much so while it makes sense to invest in the 1440p space, this doesn't hold at 1080p. And while, yes, you can buy more modern panel types in the desired price range, the quality is such that educated consumers are avoiding them because of the panel quality. As above, the best IPS panels are better than the best TN panel... but the $250 TN Monitor provides a better gaming experience than the $250 IPS monitor.

7. I have purchased the VG248QE for users in recent years as low as $209... but over the last 6 month, prices have been increasing presumably as demand exceeds supply. In a few weeks, all attention will be on the new HDR panels, and prices will drop on all "old tech"... The impact will be significant in the $500 - $800 price niche, tho I don;t think that the impact in the sub $250 space will be that significant....still it's just a few eels so might be worth waiting for.

8. I understand you are working within a budget bit I can not in good conscience recommend either of those two monitors for gaming given the quality level of your existing componentry.

9. On a side note, you listed your RAM as single channel which Im guessing is meant to indicate a single 16GB stick. Your platform is dual channel, so next time it would be best to go for 2 x 8GB
 
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Monitors are as subjective as headphones or speakers. If you can go in to a store and see with your eyes those monitors it would be ideal. Other than that as said above, tehnical specs are not an indicator of what that monitor looks like.
Try to get a 75Hz one since you game and/or increase that budget to a 144Hz one.
 
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Asus and Aoc also good option
 
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Not how it looks in the specs sheet.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Unfortunately being an online recomendation, I have little else to go on. If he can see the monitors in person, he certainly should. A bad VA panel could end up with worse contrast than an IPS or even a (quality) Twisted Nematic panel.

I like to google the manufacturer panel specs to narrow down my model selection to units with high figures, and then go see them in person. That's how I do the final picking. Even this isn't perfect, but it isn't practical to see every monitor on earth, of course.
 
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Asus and Aoc also good option
i dont have the money

I understand you are working within a budget bit I can not in good conscience recommend either of those two monitors for gaming given the quality level of your existing componentry.
thnx man for the help but thats right my problem is the money and the VG248QE is double the Dell price.
 
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I agree with that wholeheartedly. Unfortunately being an online recomendation, I have little else to go on.
That's the problem with just about any on-line purchase - unless you already know exactly what you want. It's a real PITA with clothes, for example, for people like me who are between a medium and a large - depending on who made it and on what day they made it! You would think 1 inch here would be exactly 1 inch there, but it clearly isn't. :kookoo:
1. Advertised specs are useless ... can not be relied upon
They are not useless, but they alone cannot be relied on. Published technical specifications are not bogus - at least with the major brands promoting their genuine products. Out and out false advertising is not allowed by most governments and there are too many independent watchdog groups (including review sites) to make sure they are not bogus.

There is a big difference between published "technical specifications" and "advertising fluff" and we, as consumers, must be able to determine the difference.

The problem is we rarely know the basis for any claims - that is, what are the test parameters? We don't know. That's how Ford, Chevy and RAM can all claim to have the best pickup truck - and they do! But best at what? And is that the criteria you need in a truck?

But those technical specs (not the fluff) are very beneficial when comparing two models from the same maker - two Samsung monitors, for example. And in your initial searches, they help you narrow down your choices.

Are there exceptions out there in this tiny world? Of course! But exceptions don't make the rule and should not be used to make a point. So once you make your choice, buy only from a reputable seller who will still be here tomorrow.

Monitors are as subjective as headphones or speakers.
Yes, no, kinda, sorta, but not really - depending on what you do with your monitor. Again, if you are a professional photographer, or in some medical imagery scenarios, color accuracy is critical and is a matter actual measurements - not subjectivity.

So where does that leave us, as consumers? Sadly, guessing most of the time. Then with fingers crossed. Read the professional reviews and see what the professional reviewers found. Do NOT put much faith in "user reviews"! Normal users are not professionals and typically don't have the proper test equipment or skills or demeaner to make objective or unbiased reviews. Happy people don't complain so user reviews tend to be skewed from the start. And most user reviews are completed within a day or two of receipt of the product. Many products are down-rated because the Post Office delivered it a day late, UPS delivered it next door, or the box looked like it fell off the Fed-Ex truck.

So I never pay attention to user reviews unless there are many complaining about the exact same fault with the exact same product.

After all that, you still take your chances. I bought two identical 24 inch monitors at the same time for a multi-monitor setup. They even have sequential serial numbers. Individually, their displays were gorgeous. Side by side and I could see the whites on one had a very slight blue hue compared to the other. It was so subtle, I only noticed it when I positioned an open Word document 1/2 way across both monitors. No amount of adjusting could match them up exactly. But which one was "off"? Without a professional colorimeter, there was no way to tell. But of course, most consumers don't have access to one of those. :(
 
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That's the problem with just about any on-line purchase - unless you already know exactly what you want. It's a real PITA with clothes, for example, for people like me who are between a medium and a large - depending on who made it and on what day they made it! You would think 1 inch here would be exactly 1 inch there, but it clearly isn't. :kookoo:
They are not useless, but they alone cannot be relied on. Published technical specifications are not bogus - at least with the major brands promoting their genuine products. Out and out false advertising is not allowed by most governments and there are too many independent watchdog groups (including review sites) to make sure they are not bogus.

There is a big difference between published "technical specifications" and "advertising fluff" and we, as consumers, must be able to determine the difference.

The problem is we rarely know the basis for any claims - that is, what are the test parameters? We don't know. That's how Ford, Chevy and RAM can all claim to have the best pickup truck - and they do! But best at what? And is that the criteria you need in a truck?

But those technical specs (not the fluff) are very beneficial when comparing two models from the same maker - two Samsung monitors, for example. And in your initial searches, they help you narrow down your choices.

Are there exceptions out there in this tiny world? Of course! But exceptions don't make the rule and should not be used to make a point. So once you make your choice, buy only from a reputable seller who will still be here tomorrow.

Yes, no, kinda, sorta, but not really - depending on what you do with your monitor. Again, if you are a professional photographer, or in some medical imagery scenarios, color accuracy is critical and is a matter actual measurements - not subjectivity.

So where does that leave us, as consumers? Sadly, guessing most of the time. Then with fingers crossed. Read the professional reviews and see what the professional reviewers found. Do NOT put much faith in "user reviews"! Normal users are not professionals and typically don't have the proper test equipment or skills or demeaner to make objective or unbiased reviews. Happy people don't complain so user reviews tend to be skewed from the start. And most user reviews are completed within a day or two of receipt of the product. Many products are down-rated because the Post Office delivered it a day late, UPS delivered it next door, or the box looked like it fell off the Fed-Ex truck.

So I never pay attention to user reviews unless there are many complaining about the exact same fault with the exact same product.

After all that, you still take your chances. I bought two identical 24 inch monitors at the same time for a multi-monitor setup. They even have sequential serial numbers. Individually, their displays were gorgeous. Side by side and I could see the whites on one had a very slight blue hue compared to the other. It was so subtle, I only noticed it when I positioned an open Word document 1/2 way across both monitors. No amount of adjusting could match them up exactly. But which one was "off"? Without a professional colorimeter, there was no way to tell. But of course, most consumers don't have access to one of those. :(
you know what Put yourself in my place and choose a monitor .
 
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I hear you. But I am not a gamer and I don't overclock my monitors. So I am not qualified to say what is best for you.

Frankly, I am waiting 24" OLED monitors to come down to under $300.
 
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I had no clue there was so much into picking a monitor. Learned a lot from this thread.
 
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It can be real challenging. One thing that always gets me is I want my monitor stands to have height adjustment too. Most don't. :( And that makes no sense to me. Computer desks don't have height adjustments. And most people adjust their chair heights based how it positions their arms over their keyboards. And a phone book or ream of paper doesn't look good under a monitor. Oh well.
 
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Again, if you are a professional photographer, or in some medical imagery scenarios, color accuracy is critical and is a matter actual measurements - not subjectivity.
I agree, but if you are a professional you don't go around forums, asking for monitor advice, having 500$ in your wallet :)
Frankly, I am waiting 24" OLED monitors to come down to under $300.
Wish there were 1080p OLED monitors for that price.
 
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I agree, but if you are a professional you don't go around forums, asking for monitor advice, having 500$ in your wallet
Why not? Forums are not just frequented by know-nothing newbies. Professionals get their information and insights from multiple sources. What are they supposed to do, ask the kid at Best Buy?

1080P is not the problem. It is the price.
 
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Buy and try, there is no other way or go to Eizo and other such manufacturers.
 
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Out of those 3 - the Dell. I had a cheap 60Hz VA before - bad idea for gaming. Pixel transition is sooo slow. 75Hz IPS will feel a lot faster in movement.

How about LG 24MP59G-P though, cheaper than the dell and it's 24", better for 1080p.
 
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i have one great and nice response,freesync bonus,panel ips
 
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Out of those 3 - the Dell. I had a cheap 60Hz VA before - bad idea for gaming. Pixel transition is sooo slow. 75Hz IPS will feel a lot faster in movement.

How about LG 24MP59G-P though, cheaper than the dell and it's 24", better for 1080p.
alright the Dell is good choice.
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I would agree on the choice made. Cheap VA is something you want to avoid. If you see 2500-3000:1 contrast ratio on a VA, alarm bells should be going off and it means: see it, use it, before buying it. Good VA's go higher. As in twice as high, and along with that comes a higher quality across the board.

Cheap IPS is nice because apart from response times, the differences in quality are minimal. You can always do your own (re-) calibration, they all have decent color and viewing angles and a pretty stable G2G across the whole color spectrum. This is another problem area for VA: most of the time, darker hues can have a slower G2G response, causing a smear effect or, much worse, very visible color transitions that lag behind the rest of the image.
 
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darker hues can have a slower G2G response, causing a smear effect or, much worse, very visible color transitions that lag behind the rest of the image.
Yup, had three cheap(er) VA panels BenQ 27", Philips 32" and a AOC 32", first two were 1080p the third was 1440p. Great contrast, good colors out of the box but slow response time coupled with very low input lag. Wich is a shame compared to IPS.
I would try a 1080p VA with 144Hz, but i don't know if i want to go back to 24".
 
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