What's your latest tech purchase?

[lexluthermiester]

Custom water? Silence!
AIOs? Crap shoot. Good lord the pump noises i've dealt with over the years... being a system builder i've had some good units, and soooooo many bad, noisy, vibrating ones.

This!

However, if you buy quality units , the experience is usually a good one.

 

[Valantar]

Wait, I thought we were spinning out the water cooling vs. air discussion into a separate thread?

 

[Mussels]

Wait, I thought we were spinning out the water cooling vs. air discussion into a separate thread?

Yeah thats a good idea.

 

[The red spirit]

That's why you attach fans to your radiator, so your water doesn't get saturated by heat. And no, you're not adding extra noise to your system, as you would use those fans as chassis intakes or exhausts anyway.

You do add noise with pump, which works similarly to fan, but instead of air it moves water. And depending on your cooling set up, AIOs can help you to reduce total amount of system fans.

You're OK to prefer air, and I totally respect that.

It's mostly due to not really needing anything better and if I actually needed something better than I would hate the heat output anyway, so yeah. There's an existential crisis. When computer is pretty much touching my leg all the time and is placed under desk and desk itself traps heat there, extra heat is very undesirable and since my room isn't very big, it's easy to heat it up and that's undesirable. Stock RX 580 is enough to create sauna like conditions even during winter and at summer, it's unbearable. So I had to fix that with vBIOS tweaking. I limited card to 100 watts, but usually it stays at 84-90 watts of power usage with limited clock speed of 1.1GHz. With CPU and card loaded, my computer outputs almost 200 watts of heat and that's just good enough. And there isn't any AC in my room or anywhere else, so I depend on outdoor temperatures a lot. This summer was particularly awful with some days having 36C. It's already hot to begin with and I sweated a lot without doing anything, I tried to put some load on PC and that was pretty brutal. Even on 30C days heat was brutal. But now outdoors temperature is up to 18C, so heat isn't a problem anymore.

 

[thesmokingman]

Wait, I thought we were spinning out the water cooling vs. air discussion into a separate thread?

Nah his actual point is a silly one, air vs watercooling w/o pumps or fans, lol.

 

[KLiKzg]

Nice! That's what I have in my system, 4x8GB 1866 ECC Reg. You are going to enjoy not having OS/program/game crashes caused by RAM errors.

Well, do not have so much "program/OS crashes"...but the 1866MHz has gone in, as the 1600MHz FSB CPU will be changed for 1866MHz FSB.

Slowly, but gradually - going forward.

 

[AusWolf]

You do add noise with pump, which works similarly to fan, but instead of air it moves water. And depending on your cooling set up, AIOs can help you to reduce total amount of system fans.

Like both you and I said, it's not the early 2000s anymore. Pump technology has improved a lot too. I can't even hear the pump of my H100i over the whisper quiet hum of my case fans, even if I put my ear against the chassis. Of course, without the USB connected, it's running at its lowest RPM, but like I said, I've experienced minimal differences in cooling efficiency by changing the pump speed, so I'm fine.

It's mostly due to not really needing anything better and if I actually needed something better than I would hate the heat output anyway, so yeah.

Not needing more is cool. We tend to forget in our deeply technological world that we don't always need the latest and greatest to be happy. I think my PC setup is completely agreeable for what I need it for (1080p gaming at 60 Hz), so I might not be upgrading it for a while. Reviewers tend to bash the raytracing capabilities of non-Ampere cards, but I just finished Cyberpunk 2077 with all settings maxed out, RT pshycho, DLSS quality at 40-50 fps, which I think is brilliant. With this in mind, my next upgrade is probably going to be a cosmetic one, or of a "peace of mind" type.

There's an existential crisis. When computer is pretty much touching my leg all the time and is placed under desk and desk itself traps heat there, extra heat is very undesirable and since my room isn't very big, it's easy to heat it up and that's undesirable. Stock RX 580 is enough to create sauna like conditions even during winter and at summer, it's unbearable. So I had to fix that with vBIOS tweaking. I limited card to 100 watts, but usually it stays at 84-90 watts of power usage with limited clock speed of 1.1GHz. With CPU and card loaded, my computer outputs almost 200 watts of heat and that's just good enough. And there isn't any AC in my room or anywhere else, so I depend on outdoor temperatures a lot. This summer was particularly awful with some days having 36C. It's already hot to begin with and I sweated a lot without doing anything, I tried to put some load on PC and that was pretty brutal. Even on 30C days heat was brutal. But now outdoors temperature is up to 18C, so heat isn't a problem anymore.

I can see your point, though it's worth noting that your PC doesn't produce less heat just because you cool it differently. Watercoolers conduct heat from your CPU/GPU to the edge of the chassis (radiator) more effectively, and the heat output of a radiator is more concentrated than exhausting the already dispersed heat from your chassis, but the heat output of your CPU/GPU is the same, regardless of your cooling method.

Undervolting and/or modifying power targets is a different story. There's a lot to be gained there. My 2070 has a power slider of 71-114%. At 114% it's hotter and louder, but doesn't produce any more FPS. At 71% it's dead silent, and produces around 5-10% less FPS than normal, which is barely noticeable. On the other hand, my 11700 is around 40-45% faster with its power targets disabled, so I'm gonna leave it as it is.

 

[The red spirit]

Like both you and I said, it's not the early 2000s anymore. Pump technology has improved a lot too. I can't even hear the pump of my H100i over the whisper quiet hum of my case fans, even if I put my ear against the chassis. Of course, without the USB connected, it's running at its lowest RPM, but like I said, I've experienced minimal differences in cooling efficiency by changing the pump speed, so I'm fine.

There's only so much they can improve in them. It's similar to computer fans. You really can't make much better fan than generic 7/9 blader. I have crunched a lot of data and I came to conclusion that most fans are nearly the same in terms of generating airflow/noise. Only somewhat different were Gentle Typhoons and their clones. They were somewhat better at making more airflow at less noise, but we are only talking about 8-10% improvement at best. Since water pump is a "fan" of water, I suspect that there's only so much that they can do to make it less audible while keeping performance the same.

Not needing more is cool. We tend to forget in our deeply technological world that we don't always need the latest and greatest to be happy. I think my PC setup is completely agreeable for what I need it for (1080p gaming at 60 Hz), so I might not be upgrading it for a while. Reviewers tend to bash the raytracing capabilities of non-Ampere cards, but I just finished Cyberpunk 2077 with all settings maxed out, RT pshycho, DLSS quality at 40-50 fps, which I think is brilliant. With this in mind, my next upgrade is probably going to be a cosmetic one, or of a "peace of mind" type.

There is cooling in computer, which isn't a subject to aging or improving and there is technological obsolescence. You can keep some things pretty much forever in PCs, but you have to upgrade some others at certain intervals.

I can see your point, though it's worth noting that your PC doesn't produce less heat just because you cool it differently.

Well, that's obvious. But some water coolers can indeed output more heat, since pump and fans also produce some heat and if say you have one hot pump and use 4 fans to cool a radiator, it might add up to some significantly higher heat output.

Undervolting and/or modifying power targets is a different story. There's a lot to be gained there. My 2070 has a power slider of 71-114%. At 114% it's hotter and louder, but doesn't produce any more FPS. At 71% it's dead silent, and produces around 5-10% less FPS than normal, which is barely noticeable. On the other hand, my 11700 is around 40-45% faster with its power targets disabled, so I'm gonna leave it as it is.

That depends on specific tune mostly. Do it right and you mostly reduce heat, while you keep mostly the same performance. Undervolting is another thing, but I find it to be quite lame on most chips since what you can undervolt is usually manufacturer's built it voltage reserve, in case something happens and often it's counterproductive in long term to mess with that. And since chips today have tons of power states, there's no good way to undervolt them. You can use offset, but it testing that is a pain in the rear and more importantly it also reduces start up voltage, which usually isn't far off from what manufacturer set. And if you factor in other things like ability to wake up from S1 and S3 states, switch from C states, utilize other power reducing settings like EIST, it becomes quite obvious that undervolting is getting less and less feasible over time. And if you read whitepapers, cards like GCN base Polaris can actively adjust voltage, if they detect less stability over time and as counter measure, they would increase voltage.

 

[Chomiq]

Hello mods? Cleanup on isle 4.

 

[AusWolf]

There's only so much they can improve in them. It's similar to computer fans. You really can't make much better fan than generic 7/9 blader. I have crunched a lot of data and I came to conclusion that most fans are nearly the same in terms of generating airflow/noise. Only somewhat different were Gentle Typhoons and their clones. They were somewhat better at making more airflow at less noise, but we are only talking about 8-10% improvement at best. Since water pump is a "fan" of water, I suspect that there's only so much that they can do to make it less audible while keeping performance the same.

I didn't say that my AIO pump is quiet. I said it's completely inaudible over my case fans. I literally can't hear it at all. What's left to improve?

Well, that's obvious. But some water coolers can indeed output more heat, since pump and fans also produce some heat and if say you have one hot pump and use 4 fans to cool a radiator, it might add up to some significantly higher heat output.

Like you said, your pump works sort of like a fan - it has impellers driven by a small electric motor. With its couple of Watts of power consumption, its heat output is next to nothing. If it produced perceptible heat, we wouldn't use them on CPU blocks, don't you think?

I think we offed this thread quite a lot. If you want to continue the conversation, I'd suggest starting up a new thread. As for me, I've said my piece.

 

[Tatty_Two]

There appears to be some off topic verbal diarrhoea occurring, let it stop please otherwise I will have to invoke thread bans which at this point I would rather not be forced into doing. We have had in the past a number of threads on Water v Air, for those wishing to continue that topic I suppose one more wouldn't hurt #Hint. Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Too much work IMO just for the looks. Yeah, it looks cool, but just nah.

Too much work absolutely or a disaster, dead gtx1080 ftw and dead z390-f board, soft tubing for me only now.

But any way, i have ordered a drain valve, 90 fitting and two male to male extenders to fit a proper drain valve to my loop.

 

[Keullo-e]

And what do we have here

 

[Mussels]

"Moooom, it's NOT A PHASE!"

*Puts on sunnies and flips hat backwards*

"IT'S AN XTREME PHASE!"

 

[jallenlabs]

Two of these bad boys landed today.

 

[CheapMeat]

Awesome Optane purchase!

Got myself a Samsung 980 Pro and an aesthetically pleasing heatsink to go with it.

 

[Athlonite]

And what do we have here

I hope your going to replace the Intel exclusive felt making factory. Otherwise very nice score

 

[Keullo-e]

I hope your going to replace the Intel exclusive felt making factory. Otherwise very nice score

Oh hell yeah, custom loop h2o

 

[Splinterdog]

And what do we have here

Is that your latest acquisition? That will be fun so tell us more...
Meanwhile, a map on my wrist. How cool is that?
It works independently of the phone, up to a point by using the phone's data so I'll be trying it outdoors later

 

[Space Lynx]

Is that your latest acquisition? That will be fun so tell us more...
Meanwhile, a map on my wrist. How cool is that?
It works independently of the phone, up to a point by using the phone's data so I'll be trying it outdoors later
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the gps feature especially seems fascinating to me. update us with some real world battery life numbers if you can! and overall impressions when you have more use from it.

I'm still not sold on the whole watch stuff just yet, but I do find it intriguing.

 

[Splinterdog]

the gps feature especially seems fascinating to me. update us with some real world battery life numbers if you can! and overall impressions when you have more use from it.

I'm still not sold on the whole watch stuff just yet, but I do find it intriguing.

I did several searches for maps specifically for the Watch 3 and a YouTube real-time video convinced me to get it ($1.65 where I am) and any free ones are just full of ads.
It really is like having Google Maps on your wrist, so I'll post back later.

 

[Space Lynx]

I did several searches for maps specifically for the Watch 3 and a YouTube real-time video convinced me to get it ($1.65 where I am) and any free ones are just full of ads.
It really is like having Google Maps on your wrist, so I'll post back later.

what in the heck is a real time youtube video and why does watching a video on youtube cost a $1.65??!?!?!?!?! first time I have ever heard of anything like this...

anyone care to enlighten me?

 

[P4-630]

what in the heck is a real time youtube video and why does watching a video on youtube cost a $1.65??!?!?!?!?! first time I have ever heard of anything like this...

anyone care to enlighten me?

An ad free map app @ $1,65 what I understand..

 

[GamerGuy]

Was at a local tech shop and saw a Realme toothbrush, so I thought, "What the heck!" and bought it. It's supposed to have a 90 day battery life, so I'm gonna see if that's true.

 

[P4-630]

Was at a local tech shop and saw a Realme toothbrush, so I thought, "What the heck!" and bought it. It's supposed to have a 90 day battery life, so I'm gonna see if that's true.

No gamer version with RGB?

j/k