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Where are the promised MSI Spectre/Meltdown BIOS updates?

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It would seem they were promised "very soon" in January at some point, but maybe they're having a great deal of difficulty . That's pretty sh!tty support.
 
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I mentioned it on their Facebook page. They had some kind of post talking about giveaways of X299 motherboards, and I asked why not spend some time working on those bios updates for current owners
 
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Yep. They were the last to release the latest security updates on Z370 platform as well, Asus and Gigabyte and ASROCK were all faster by about 3-4 weeks on each security release.

I still like MSI's BIOS layout the best, and my Tomahawk Z370 has better VRM's for its pricepoint than the other three according to Tweaktown VRm testing
 

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Microcode updates don't require a BIOS update. The OS is more than capable of doing that and often these updates are provided by the OS vendor, be it Microsoft for Windows, Apple with OS X, or Canonical with Ubuntu. Are you sure that you don't have the patch already? Windows 10 does like to just install updates whenever it feels like it, so you might already have it.
 
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Where are the panic driven problems alleged to be caused by Spectre / Meltdown. Have yet to see a "ooh look what happened to this guy who didn't apply the patch" story.
Not all malware make noise. In fact, a successful campaign tends to operate for a while in the dark before the spotlights shine on it. And if having a large hole on your room's wall leading directly to the street is, alone, enough reason to panic, I really admire your courage!

A slightly expensive exploit is still an exploit.
 
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Where are the panic driven problems alleged to be caused by Spectre / Meltdown. Have yet to see a "ooh look what happened to this guy who didn't apply the patch" story.
Yeah I haven't seen any either as of yet but the media attention does have an influence here. Everyone is closely watching these exploits, now would be the worst time to use them.
 

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Yep. They were the last to release the latest security updates on Z370 platform as well, Asus and Gigabyte and ASROCK were all faster by about 3-4 weeks on each security release.

I still like MSI's BIOS layout the best, and my Tomahawk Z370 has better VRM's for its pricepoint than the other three according to Tweaktown VRm testing
The Supermicro C7Z370-CG-L is the better choice imo in that price range. Twice the MOSFET of msi and somehow cuts about 50w off at the wall.
 

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MSI mods locked the topic about these much needed updates on the official forums and suggested all those concerned contact MSI support.

Both my Asus Z270 and Z370 boards have been updated against Spectre and Meltdown.
Although updated to the hilt, my H270 MSI mobo is still in need of a Spectre patch. I'm pretty pi55ed about this TBH.

Last but not least, is it safe to carry on using my MSI mobo for everyday use including financial transactions?
 
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Microcode updates don't require a BIOS update. The OS is more than capable of doing that and often these updates are provided by the OS vendor, be it Microsoft for Windows, Apple with OS X, or Canonical with Ubuntu. Are you sure that you don't have the patch already? Windows 10 does like to just install updates whenever it feels like it, so you might already have it.
I'm sure because InSpectre still says it's not patched on my system. Meltdown yes, Spectre, no.
 

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from what iv seen they aren't making a news post about each revision posted. Just check your mobo page. I recently flashed mine for the x299 tomahawk arctic and it didn't come out more than a few weeks ago. The intel tool immediately said it was ok for both Intel ME and inspecter passed it after the flash as well. but there was no "post" about it.
 

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I've been checking every other day for the H270 update, nothing since B5 in Jan.
 

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I've been checking every other day for the H270 update, nothing since B5 in Jan.
yeah that sucks, but like....you guys know there is no roll out tool for this right? like someone has to sit and code the fix into each bios...right? For like each board....but im sure 99.999% of end consumers understand this and the challenges it brings. Like the fact that you cant just "copy a line to the beginning of every bios" kind of thing. MSI user totally get this though I mean RIGHT?
 
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yeah that sucks, but like....you guys know there is no roll out tool for this right? like someone has to sit and code the fix into each bios...right? For like each board....but im sure 99.999% of end consumers understand this and the challenges it brings. Like the fact that you cant just "copy a line to the beginning of every bios" kind of thing. MSI user totally get this though I mean RIGHT?
:D

It's not like the 270 series mobo's are old hat, far from it. Asus patched my Z270 a while back, and I know other brands have done the same. So why are MSI dragging their feet :confused:
 

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:D

It's not like the 270 series mobo's are old hat, far from it. Asus patched my Z270 a while back, and I know other brands have done the same. So why are MSI dragging their feet :confused:
Because change process is a real life thing regardless of how old anything is.

A rough series of probable events given how change process usually manifests is.

they have no team dedicated to handle "Surprise security issues presented by chip makers"

At this point they need to pull people from other departments but wait. They need the people that have the SKILL required for the patch. Packaging is going to be useless for this so dont take any of them.

We will need to pull programmers from the actual write dept. But WAIT we have mobos in the pipeline still going through design and testing phase we havent announced yet. Those deadlines will get pushed back.

BUT WAIT the deadlines have to be met because we are sourcing chips for these boards and suppliers are delivering or require bulk order to garuntee pricing.

Might as well pull the warehouse manager too. he need space for these parts even if we need to put assembly behind schedule we need to put this shit in places that were supposed to have other shit 4 months from now.

DAMN we still dont have the patch team yet. well those projects are off so pull some of the developers.

SHIT we need PR to get on this and a time line. lets get them over here so we can game plan.

OH NO we need to teach the customer service leads what to tell people and then actually TRAIN the ppl on the web chat sessions.

BUT DAMNIT we have no documentation to push to them.

WHATEVER we need to make the actual patch.

ok pull resources

20min later

SHIT should we future proof this? we might need to make a section in the BIOS that is blank normally to inject new code like this so we dont have to freak out when it happens.

BUT WAIT

will our current eeproms handle this change? (space?)
Should we back port the entire structure?
can we make this work given how the bios functions?
do we have time to beta test this if it will?
does (BAD MANUFACTURER) plan to support older boards?
will it worki with them?
what about the beta and alpha bios for current and not released products can we chang ethem over?
can we delete this section if there is a perminent fix?

OH we need to talk to microsoft

what changes specifically?


etc etc etc etc

now multiply by all board makers affected. (because NO not all of them are "finished")

No but I get where your coming from they should have ha this fixed 1 hour and 26min after intel had a general idea of how to fix the problem,


BUT WAIT they (Intel) are still trying to process fixes for older platforms as recently as yesterday.

/s
 
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Nope, non of that from MSI, It's all gone quiet. Last time I saw any speak of a Bios update for the MSI 270 series was in January.
Seriously thinking of selling this mobo because of the non existent Spectre patch.
 

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Nope, non of that from MSI, It's all gone quiet. Last time I saw any speak of a Bios update for the MSI 270 series was in January.
Seriously thinking of selling this mobo because of the non existent Spectre patch.
you should totally do it then. sell it to me for like $5 because you know no spectre patch.
 
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you should totally do it then. sell it to me for like $5 because you know no spectre patch.
Haha! You'll have to take it from the nephew. I phoned him up and said "How about a fairly new mobo with a gaping security flaw?"
He was at our place in record time!

I did ask MSI about this through their support channels. I was supposed to receive a conformation email and a record of it should have been in my MSI support account, nothing.
No record of me asking about the Spectre update and no confirmation in my email. I give up.
 

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Seriously thinking of selling this mobo because of the non existent Spectre patch.
As I said earlier:
Microcode updates don't require a BIOS update. The OS is more than capable of doing that and often these updates are provided by the OS vendor, be it Microsoft for Windows, Apple with OS X, or Canonical with Ubuntu. Are you sure that you don't have the patch already? Windows 10 does like to just install updates whenever it feels like it, so you might already have it.
I don't know about your machine but, mine hasn't had a BIOS update in a long time but, I've had firmware updates as recent as 2018-03-12.
Code:
intel-microcode/artful-updates,artful-security,now 3.20180312.0~ubuntu17.10.1 amd64 [installed]
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  * SECURITY UPDATE: New upstream microcode data file 20180312 to provide
    IBRS/IBPB/STIBP microcode support for Spectre variant 2 mitigation
    - New Microcodes:
      sig 0x00050653, pf mask 0x97, 2018-01-29, rev 0x1000140, size 30720
      sig 0x00050665, pf mask 0x10, 2018-01-22, rev 0xe000009, size 18432
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      sig 0x000206d6, pf mask 0x6d, 2018-01-30, rev 0x061c, size 18432
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      sig 0x000906eb, pf mask 0x02, 2018-01-21, rev 0x0084, size 98304
    - CVE-2017-5715
 
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Is the lack of active support reason for RMA/return i wonder?

My board from asrock has gotten 2 updates in a single month iirc. Not security ones, but still, msi shouldnt abandon their products
 

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#23
As I said earlier:
"Microcode updates don't require a BIOS update. The OS is more than capable of doing that and often these updates are provided by the OS vendor, be it Microsoft for Windows, Apple with OS X, or Canonical with Ubuntu. Are you sure that you don't have the patch already? Windows 10 does like to just install updates whenever it feels like it, so you might already have it"

Yep I know that. This is about MSI mobo's not getting the Spectre patch while other vendors did. Take my Asus Z270 motherboard as an example. Both Meltdown and Spectre are patched.
My MSI H270 board only got the Meltdown patch but that was in January.

No. Already checked that with InSpectre. Meltdown patched, Spectre isn't.

As I said earlier, the discussion was was locked by MSI mods on the official forums and we were told to contact MSI directly.
Even that has been unsuccessful.
 
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Yep I know that. This is about MSI mobo's not getting the Spectre patch while other vendors did. Take my Asus Z270 motherboard as an example. Both Meltdown and Spectre are patched.
My MSI H270 board only got the Meltdown patch but that was in January.

No. Already checked that with InSpectre. Meltdown patched, Spectre isn't.

As I said earlier, the discussion was was locked by MSI mods on the official forums and we were told to contact MSI directly.
Even that has has been unsuccessful.
I've been littering their various Facebook posts/giveaways ,and pages with comments and warnings to perspective buyers ,regarding their lack of support in this matter. Hopefully someone decides to look into the matter ,or at least hopefully someone considering purchasing from them ,will think twice beforehand.
 

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No. Already checked that with InSpectre. Meltdown patched, Spectre isn't.
The thing about Spectre is that there is a time timeframe where it's possible to have the exploit be exploitable. Even if the hole isn't completely patched, if it's been mitigated sufficiently, it's as good as patched. What you have to understand is that this exploit isn't a golden ticket. It lets you observe some protected memory but, it's not like you can read whatever you want as quickly as you want. You're lucky to get 2000 bytes of protected memory in 1 second. This is problematic in a number of ways but the biggest is with data that is time sensitive or is being changed, moved, or whatever. If Spectre has been sufficiently mitigated to say, 100 bytes per second, the number of things you can do with the exploit starts to narrow. This is already a tricky exploit to actually take advantage of. Mitigating it only makes it even harder. Also remember, this is only to read protected memory, not writing, which also narrows the scope of what you can do even further.

Is it a problem? Sure, but it's not like any virus you might get hit with is likely to be trying to use it. There is far lower hanging fruit.
 
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