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Where are we with intels next GEN consumer desktop CPUs?

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Intel Tiger Lake
Intel Comet Lake
Intel Rocket Lake
Intel Tremont Lake
Intel Cooper Lake
Intel Ice Lake

Too many lakes, not enough streams and the oceans no where in sight. I'm confused with intels naming structure and TBH I haven't looked much into it. All I want to know is when will intel launch their next GEN consumer level CPUs? Or which lake architecture is focused on replacing Coffee Lake?

Also when are these expected? I was looking to upgrade sometime this year but kinda held off as my current CPU is getting the job done for gaming and general use. I'm now looking to either Ryzen 4000 series or intels next batch of fire power.
 
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For actual new desktop stuff from Intel, you will have to wait at least till 2020.
 

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- Comet Lake (14nm) is next on desktop. Roadmap says Q4 2019 and rumors so far seem to agree that it is imminent.
- Rocket Lake (still planned for 14nm) is after that. Last time on roadmap it was Q2 2021 but latest rumors say it might come at the end of next year. Latest rumor as also covered by TPU is that it might be based on Willow Cove cores (the successor to Sunny Cove that powers Ice Lake and is the high-performance core in Lakefield).

- Ice Lake (10nm+) is mobile and out now, Tiger Lake (10nm+) is mobile and planned for Q2 2021.
- Tremont (10nm+) is new-gen Atom core and was supposed to come out in Lakefield and Snow Ridge by the end of 2019.
- Cooper Lake (14nm) is refresh of Cascade Lake - primarily big Xeons.
 
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I won't be considering Intel again until they fix the known vulnerabilities with their designs; with all the added software fixes, I'm down over 20%.

That's almost as my overclock added.
 
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well seeing as their HEDT line compete with consumer/mainstream from AMD ... i guess the 10980XE is a consumer/mainstream CPU (since in all but one case scenario it "just" tail a 3950X)

now given little news about their actual consumer/mainstream lineup there is, i know where they will not be .... "in my next build"
if i want a thread heavy capable HEDT CPU for heavy computational work ... TR .... if i want a thread heavy capable mainstream CPU for game and streaming ... R9

well ... also there goes the vulnerabilities and mitigations game (and the f!cked up microcode update they did via WU ) ... Intel is just not competitive anymore, but i hope AMD will not turn into an "Intel" and price their hardware ridiculously (although they could up the price a little bit ... they deserve it )
 
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well seeing as their HEDT line compete with consumer/mainstream from AMD ... i guess the 10980XE is a consumer/mainstream CPU (since in all but one case scenario it "just" tail a 3950X)
It doesnt work that way (performance doesnt define its segment). Intel's HEDT platform is defined by the chipset and socket. Dont let AMDs blurring of the lines by going core/thread heavy in THEIR consumer platform confuse the lines of demarcation. :)
 
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It doesnt work that way (performance doesnt define its segment). Intel's HEDT platform is defined by the chipset and socket. Dont let AMDs blurring of the lines by going core/thread heavy in THEIR consumer platform confuse the lines of demarcation. :)
oh ... ofc there is still the memory bandwidth advantage but for almost everything else ... the R9 3950X is a viable alternative, but of course i know the 3950X and his platform is not HEDT, which make that even funnier.

and i mentioned TR: Threadripper 3960X/3970X as option for work in the line of the 10980XE which is ... AMD, HEDT and as shown recently ... just run around in circle, much like the 3950X

actually what you write goes in the way of recommending AMD :laugh:
 
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oh ... ofc there is still the memory bandwidth advantage but for almost everything else ... the R9 3950X is a viable alternative, but of course i know the 3950X and his platform is not HEDT, which make that even funnier.

and i mentioned TR: Threadripper 3960X/3970X as option for work in the line of the 10980XE which is ... AMD, HEDT and as shown recently ... just run around in circle, much like the 3950X

actually what you write goes in the way of recommending AMD :laugh:
???? I think you missed my point. :(

All I am saying is that an i9-10980xe isnt a mainstream CPU just because it competes with an amd CPU in their mainstream platform. This wasnt a pissing contest about the better chip which amd clearly has for multithreaded use and price. I agree with that sentiment, just not your twist on the 10980xe being a mainstream cpu. :)
 
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Intel Tiger Lake
Intel Comet Lake
Intel Rocket Lake
Intel Tremont Lake
Intel Cooper Lake
Intel Ice Lake

Too many lakes, not enough streams and the oceans no where in sight. I'm confused with intels naming structure and TBH I haven't looked much into it. All I want to know is when will intel launch their next GEN consumer level CPUs? Or which lake architecture is focused on replacing Coffee Lake?

Also when are these expected? I was looking to upgrade sometime this year but kinda held off as my current CPU is getting the job done for gaming and general use. I'm now looking to either Ryzen 4000 series or intels next batch of fire power.
I wonder if intel know that most of the world's lakes are polluted
 
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For actual new desktop stuff from Intel, you will have to wait at least till 2020.
Thanks agent_x007 & EarthDog,

2020 sounds good! Which Lake arch should I keep an eye on for the next GEN 6/8/etc core (+/-HT) gaming chips. I was hoping for an early/mid 2020 showdown between Ryzen 4000-series and intel CPUs. And I hope intel maintains some "desirable" level of overclocking headroom which seems to be seeing diminishing returns over time.


What do you mean by next gen? If you mean a die shrink and arch changes, agent is right. To that end, there are other new parts coming out on the 14+++++++++++++++++++++++++nm process that is tweaked/improved.
A die shrink or, although unlikely, "greater" optimisations which see more favourable performance gains rather than what we're seeing with 8000/9000 series CPUs. I'm just a picky one, both current intel and AMD offerings offer plenty of juice for a sizeable upgrade but as always I'm hopeful a little more patience may draw in desirably wider performance gaps in 2020. My 6th GEN build is actually gamed on by the brother and serves the family for other purposes. A fresh install of Windows has secured some feasible performance gains in modern gaming titles but dropping below the 60fps belt @medium game settings is closing in on "upgrade-time".

I'm still open to the 9700K (with overclocking in mind) but i'd be super disappointed if intel released something a few months later with more impressive performance gains and that too at a reasonable cost. Hence any idea when we can expect something a little more spectacular from the blue team? (2020 1st Qtr? 2nd? end of the year?)
 
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- Comet Lake (14nm) is next on desktop. Roadmap says Q4 2019 and rumors so far seem to agree that it is imminent.
- Rocket Lake (still planned for 14nm) is after that. Last time on roadmap it was Q2 2021 but latest rumors say it might come at the end of next year. Latest rumor as also covered by TPU is that it might be based on Willow Cove cores (the successor to Sunny Cove that powers Ice Lake and is the high-performance core in Lakefield).

- Ice Lake (10nm+) is mobile and out now, Tiger Lake (10nm+) is mobile and planned for Q2 2021.
- Tremont (10nm+) is new-gen Atom core and was supposed to come out in Lakefield and Snow Ridge by the end of 2019.
- Cooper Lake (14nm) is refresh of Cascade Lake - primarily big Xeons.
Thanks for this!

So 2020 desktop runners are comet lake with no die shrink? Apologies I haven't been keeping up with CPU developments. I'm just wandering whether it's worth pulling the trigger now for a 9700K or wait a little longer being our current rig is workable (only a couple of newer games are getting a little pinned down but playably smooth at lower configs).

I won't be considering Intel again until they fix the known vulnerabilities with their designs; with all the added software fixes, I'm down over 20%.

That's almost as my overclock added.
I keep hearing of these reports + windows scheduler limitations on the AMD side. Going through a ton of benchmarks (here on TPU) as well as YT, intel seems to be getting the job done at 1080p higher refresh rate gaming and marginally leaps ahead @1440p too. What are your thoughts on that? I'm definitely not singling out AMD by any stretch and should 4000-series CPU's drop intel in it's path (at launch) with a considerable lead I might just pull the trigger and go Ryzen........unless an imminent intel response is looming around the corner. lol it's all kinda exciting, well more-so with the LOWER COST anticipation from intel offerings (well they better have learnt their lesson when it comes to MSRP).
 
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I'm not seeing anyone benchmarking with all the mitigations in place.

I'd love some links, if I've missed them.
 
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I'm not seeing anyone benchmarking with all the mitigations in place.

I'd love some links, if I've missed them.
Phoronix did a good job testing them up to the Zombie thing. And it really depends on the test. Storage takes a hit in some cases as well as data bases (are in that low double digit range). So if you happen to use those types of things (as a data center more frequently does than most consumers), it can be 'significant'. Though mosts tests seemed to be just a few percent.
 
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Of another rehash which itself is a rehash, we need a hash check here o_O

SKL-> KBL-> CFL-> CML-> RKL
And what about coves? So far we have Willow and Sunny Cove. And apparently there is/was/will be (?) something called Palm Cove.

And also Snow Ridge.

I honestly can't handle the amount of Lakes Intel has going around between those that are already in production and the future product lines.
I'll correct myself here. "I honestly can't handle the amount of FREAKING LANDFORMS Intel has going around [...]."

And to be honest again, it just sounded funny in my own language, since we call landforms "geographical accidents"
 
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I'm interested in seeing any hardware mitigations (if any) addressing Spectre/Meltdown. I know people are sick of hearing about it but if Intel is sticking their head in the sand and pretending the problem will go away none of their chips are worth buying IMO.

Intel Tiger Lake
Intel Comet Lake
Intel Rocket Lake
Intel Tremont Lake
Intel Cooper Lake
Intel Ice Lake

Too many lakes, not enough streams and the oceans no where in sight. I'm confused with intels naming structure and TBH I haven't looked much into it. All I want to know is when will intel launch their next GEN consumer level CPUs? Or which lake architecture is focused on replacing Coffee Lake?

Also when are these expected? I was looking to upgrade sometime this year but kinda held off as my current CPU is getting the job done for gaming and general use. I'm now looking to either Ryzen 4000 series or intels next batch of fire power.
Water, water everywhere...
 

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The interesting lakes are coming in 2022-23. Until then the maximum I can justify is 10400 6C/12T cpu with H410.
 
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Intel Tiger Lake
Intel Comet Lake
Intel Rocket Lake
Intel Tremont Lake
Intel Cooper Lake
Intel Ice Lake

Too many lakes, not enough streams and the oceans no where in sight. I'm confused with intels naming structure and TBH I haven't looked much into it. All I want to know is when will intel launch their next GEN consumer level CPUs? Or which lake architecture is focused on replacing Coffee Lake?

Also when are these expected? I was looking to upgrade sometime this year but kinda held off as my current CPU is getting the job done for gaming and general use. I'm now looking to either Ryzen 4000 series or intels next batch of fire power.
Intel needs an entire new architecture to an entire new node (14nm). 10nm does not go well and Intel cant produce dies that clock too high and have many cores all together. AMD cought Intel at sleep literaly. Intel of course has plans but after ZEN/ZEN+ they didnt believe that AMD will go so much further (IPC/core count) any time soon. After ZEN2 they did understand that this round is lost and they woke up from like a nightmare.
In order to finalize any competitive ZEN3/4 product (the will some day) in 10nm or 7nm with a new architecture is no easy task given the 10nm node problems and the 7nm early stages
Dont expect anything in this segment any time sooner than 2021 and will see... could be 2022
2020 for Intel's (real) next gen is not realistic by at all. Its a fairy tail...
 
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I'm interested in seeing any hardware mitigations (if any) addressing Spectre/Meltdown. I know people are sick of hearing about it but if Intel is sticking their head in the sand and pretending the problem will go away none of their chips are worth buying IMO.

Water, water everywhere...
Coffee Lake-R (9600K/9700K(S)/9900K(S)) already implement hardware mitigations for two more Meltdown derivatives. Any more significant implementations will probably only arrive on a design level with the new Sunny Cove core. I'm damn sick of hearing of this shit, with the amount of them that require local access. And hardly no one bothers to bring up the fact that the closed-off PSP is literally an on-die counterpart of Management Engine; no amount of AMD's vigilance in shutting down and playing down media reporting will change that. And who's the one sticking their head in the sand?

I own one Ryzen 3000 SKU and a slew of IVB, Haswell SKUs, and would very much like to see enticing options from both parties the next time I upgrade. With that said, look at the current and foreseeable state of affairs when you buy hardware. Waiting for the "next thing" to come down the line? You'll be waiting forever, because if we're to play at speculation, AM4's time is coming to an end and soon is DDR4, and by that logic, anything you buy now will imminently be obsolete.

Ryzen gives you newer platform features, slightly higher IPC, and significantly lower power consumption for hardware you get from that N7 process. Intel gives you that higher clockspeed if your 2080 Ti can make use of it at 1440p/high refresh. That's about it. Invest in a B-die kit, dial up those DRAM freqs and tighten those timings if you're insecure about the tiny shred of FPS you're losing on account of Ryzen, and enjoy life.

As I've mentioned before in one of the scheduler threads, 7nm binning and the scheduler make for a bit of variance when it comes to what you get from your Ryzen 3000, but in actual productive performance, we have tools like the 1909 and 1usmus schedulers to reduce it to little more than another epeen contest. I mean, man's gotta vent somehow, having landed a subpar piece of silicon and having missed out on the BL3/OW bundle on account of being early :laugh: With the way AMD relies on squeezing every bit of performance out of the cutting edge TSMC processes it employs in order to put the pressure on Intel, don't count on silicon consistency being significantly better on EUV.

On a side note, the Rocket Lake rumors are interesting because they make it out to be the exact opposite of Cannon Lake - new arch + old process as opposed to new process + old arch (which didn't do much); that would be a smart choice to push the performance envelope on the new arch and delay/mitigate the usual clockspeed hit on a shrink. But that's a side note.
 
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Any more significant implementations will probably only arrive on a design level with the new Sunny Cove core. I'm damn sick of hearing of this shit, with the amount of them that require local access. And hardly no one bothers to bring up the fact that the closed-off PSP is literally an on-die counterpart of Management Engine; no amount of AMD's vigilance in shutting down and playing down media reporting will change that. And who's the one sticking their head in the sand?
Sunny cove is here & it's in ICL, we don't really know though how many mitigations it has because Intel's clearly have gone out of there way in hiding how many more holes they have in their uarch. The last patch work entailed a few vulnerabilities which they claimed they fixed last year! Even tried to bribe researches to keep mum so it's clear that none should be trusting Intel for anything other than their presentations, that of course doesn't say anything about PSP but then again it's a work in progress & we'll see where it leads us in terms of security.
 
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I'm not seeing anyone benchmarking with all the mitigations in place.
That would be pretty much everyone. No reputable site tests without mitigations today. It is enough to be on updated Windows to have all the mitigations in place.
I'm interested in seeing any hardware mitigations (if any) addressing Spectre/Meltdown. I know people are sick of hearing about it but if Intel is sticking their head in the sand and pretending the problem will go away none of their chips are worth buying IMO.
They are not sticking their head in the sand. Coffee Lake Refresh (9000-series) has hardware to fix or aid in mitigation. Keep in mind that it takes 1-1.5 years to get fixed dies out, so fixes come with a delay.
Sunny cove is here & it's in ICL, we don't really know though how many mitigations it has because Intel's clearly have gone out of there way in hiding how many more holes they have in their uarch. The last patch work entailed a few vulnerabilities which they claimed they fixed last year! Even tried to bribe researches to keep mum so it's clear that none should be trusting Intel for anything other than their presentations, that of course doesn't say anything about PSP but then again it's a work in progress & we'll see where it leads us in terms of security.
Ice Lake has been tested and does not need much in way of mitigations. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-icelake-mitigations&num=1
Zombieload V2 is substantially different from V1 and was reported to Intel much later. "Same vulnerability that was fixed last year" is clickbait headlines.
 
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Let me slightly correct myself then, Intel insisted that the researchers not reveal more information about their unpatched vulnerabilities which includes "zombieload" V2 but I'm still using the word bribe ~ which is what they tried to do.
 
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