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Which antivirus is more complete?

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Dunno what you lads are on about but...

I'm using Norton 360, 2-of-10 licenses from a single plan pinched from a 'nice guy' and don't pay a dime! Unlike previously, Norton runs light but even then i don't subscribe to any additional features which do pop up occasionally knocking at my windows door like a begger. I don't like random popups but it rarely happens.

Norton vs defender... i have absolutely no idea whether one is better over the other.
 
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Norton runs light but even then i don't subscribe to any additional features which do pop up occasionally knocking at my windows door like a begger.
Same here.
 
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Norton has actually gone light after years of bloat, had multiple parties confirm it. It'll take a while for them to shake the rep they have though. They are at the point where pretty much only McAfee is worse.
 
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Norton has actually gone light after years of bloat, had multiple parties confirm it. It'll take a while for them to shake the rep they have though. They are at the point where pretty much only McAfee is worse.
The popups annoy me though. Not so much the popup but when I click the X I want to close the popup, not popup a menu, and then have to click close again! So annoying they have to jerk around with the UI like that.
 
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The popups annoy me though. Not so much the popup but when I click the X I want to close the popup, not popup a menu, and then have to click close again! So annoying they have to jerk around with the UI like that.
Yeah, that's totally valid.
 
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Yeah... When, a AV pops up saying "you want this or that for *More safer" I'm just like"really?"
 
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i like ESET the best. Even because it's always "free" for me, but not just for that.
I don't use it for my main machine, but i do use it on the laptop and Defender doesn't pick up everything.

But like sex, if you don't straight from the path you don't need more then Defender.
 
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Really? Has Windows Defender become so efficient? Also check online browsing and tracking, adblock, popup blocker? Thank you.
The advantage windows defender has is you will know its using official APIs.

If i went back to using a a/v it would be defender no doubt, despite the issues it has.

When I used to use a 3rd party a/v, the only one that came close to being acceptable was nod32 where its performance impact was only barely visible, anything else I tried it felt like I had downgraded my PC.

You cant beat common sense though, the main entry points for malware is stupidity and web browser.

To me a realtime a/v scanner is the last security layer I would add. Before that?...

Software Restriction Polices/Applocker
Protected folders (feature of WD and some 3rd party freeware can do it)
Lockdown svchost (with new group policy option).
Block outbound by default on windows firewall, windows firewall control app to make it far easier.
Attack Surface Reduction feature of WD
Isolate/Sandbox risky apps. WD has built in feature for Edge browser and Office.
Virtualization based security, Win11 on by default, can be turned on in Win10.
Ublock origin with sane blacklists, primarily block trackers/ads but also can utilise malware lists.
Anti malware DNS provider. Cloudflare, and Quad9 plus others offer this.
Javascript restrictions in browser.
Regular cleanup of temp folders if on storage, ideally put on ram disk.
UAC to maximum level (most known UAC bypass is because of the default whitelisted binary option)
Exploit protection, now this can also cause slowdowns especially control flow guard, but can be tweaked if causing problems. On modern windows OS, enabled by default.
Block scripting host.

Probably more but list was getting too big, for me a/v will be below all that.
 
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This is hardly an average user forum
No. This is where I feel you are totally incorrect! Why? Because that is a woefully incorrect assumption - as illustrated perfectly in fact, by this thread.

Are most of the regulars here "average" users? Absolutely not! Most of the "regulars" are very experienced, with advanced knowledge and expertise in several areas within IT. Some have decades of experience, as enthusiasts and/or through their professional IT careers.

Do the regulars make up the largest percentage of the 118,698 members. NO!!!!!!

And most importantly - and, sadly, most often forgotten (and to my point and as seen in this thread) - by far the vast majority of OPs seeking help and asking questions are NOT experts with vast years of experience, but indeed are "average users", or even total newbies!

Contrary to what you seem to believe - this forum is NOT about providing a venue for experienced experts to gather about and talk shop. It is a place for average users to come and seek help from experienced users who willingly volunteer their free time to provide such advice.

We, as advice givers, need to remember that. Most OPs would like their computers to just work - with little to no tweaking or modifications - as easy as their cell phone, or even toaster. And contrary to what some "regulars" here believe, there is more than one way (their way) to do that.

Do we get to rub shoulders with fellow experts, share what we have learned, and maybe learn something new along the way? Sure! But that's just the bonus part of participating here. Helping those "average users" and newbies is the primary purpose of this forum.

This is hardly an average user forum
That's like suggesting a Toyota dealership's service center is a place for Toyota mechanics to gather together and talk about fixing and maintaining Toyotas. NO! It is a place where "the average person" can come have their cars serviced.

Having said that, a place just for those with advanced experience to "talk shop" might be an interesting place to spend time at - if folks can keep it professional and keep the personal affronts out of it.

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I also agree that the likes of McAfee and Norton have slimed... err... slimmed down their resource footprints in recent years. But they are still bloated in the sense they include many features many users don't need or want. For example, a password manager, parental controls, cloud backup, VPN, webcam access monitoring, identity monitoring, file shredders and more. These typically are included, taking up space, and even running by default and therefore using system resources.

Some of these features, some may want and that's fine. But if they don't want them, they should not have to pay for them, or have them running by default.

My biggest complaints with those two products and others like them is (1) Their deceptive tactics to get folks to subscribe and renew, (2) their near impossibility to totally remove them from our computers, and (3) their recurring costs.

I really HATE how they frequently come preloaded on factory made computers as a 3 or 6 month free trial version, then use scare and intimidation tactics to get unsuspecting (and often hooked) users to sign up for expensive, recurring renewal fees.

There are plenty of fully capable, totally "free" solutions that work just fine. There is NOTHING to suggest paying for one will ensure better protection or performance. Well, "nothing" except the marketing hype for those paid programs.

Is "free" the best option for everyone? Of course not. But it can be for most.
 
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No. This is where I feel you are totally incorrect!
Well you can feel that all you want, but the target audience of TPU has never really been tech support, that's more a side effect.

Contrary to what you seem to believe
I've talked (and briefly, worked for) the owner, so it's not really a belief at my point. That said the two can coexist and there is no reason for arguments like this.
 
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