Which ATX power supply

[Shrek]

Which ATX power supply? fortunately, I have a few requirements to narrow the field

• non-modular (not even semi-modular)
• no RGB
• 5-year warrantee or more

the non-modular requirement would seem to exclude 80 Plus Platinum and Titanium
(so Gold is fine) and puts me in the 600-800W range and excludes eco-mode.

Sure, I can get a 650W unit with 5-year warrantee for $35, but I am after quality.

The unit I am replacing was 80+ Gold, 600W but had no filtering on the mains.

The unit I am using presently is an EVGA 500W1
EVGA 500W Review - Another One (PSU) Bites the Dust (youtube.com)
but the version with uncooled bridge rectifier.

 

[P4-630]

How about one of these:

PURE POWER 11 silent Power supplies for your PC from be quiet!

700W | 600W | 500W

www.bequiet.com

 

[wNotyarD]

Any particular reason to why strictly non-modular?

Would the Deepcool PL-D (550-800W, Cybenetics Silver efficiency, 5y warranty) or the XPG Kyber (650-850W, Cybenetics Gold, 5y) PSUs match what you look for?

 

[redeye]

How about one of these:

PURE POWER 11 silent Power supplies for your PC from be quiet!

700W | 600W | 500W

www.bequiet.com

uh, its modular. look at the series comparison, looks modular… https://www.bequiet.com/en/compare/powersupply/series

i think the “system power 10” is the one that meets the specs.

but IMO, OP is looking for a cheap PSU, so just go to a computer store… look for non-modular…

 

[Shrek]

Any particular reason to why strictly non-modular?

I don't want to lose cables, or end up using the wrong ones; so a lot of people leave the cable in the case.

 

[dgianstefani]

I don't want to lose cables, or end up using the wrong ones; so a lot of people leave the cable in the case.

Not really an issue.

If you want "quality", then you almost certainly are going to get modular as a side effect.

Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER GX3 Gold 850W

Toughpower GX3 series is 80 PLUS Gold certified non-modular PSU. The GX3 series is compatible with Intel’s ATX 3.0 specifications. Designed with a native PCIe Gen 5.0 connector, it can power up next-gen technology with one new 12VHPWR cable.

thermaltakeusa.com

The only PSU I can find that meets your non modular requirement while not also being crap.

ATX 3.0 and PCIE 5.0 ready, which is a requirement for new PSUs moving forwards from 2024 IMO.

With only a five year warranty though it's OK. I tend to prefer 8, 10 or 12 year warranties.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#e=6,5,4&p=0&J=1,4

 

[Shrek]

but IMO, OP is looking for a cheap PSU, so just go to a computer store… look for non-modular…

Quite the opposite, but I don't want to waste money; I was almost going to add

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

 

[wNotyarD]

Quite the opposite, but I don't want to waste money; I was almost going to add

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

Were it the case, you could disconsider both the Deepcool and the XPG I mentioned earlier. They both promise HDB/FDB fans, though.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Quite the opposite, but I don't want to waste money; I was almost going to add

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

Modular but ATX 3.0, 10 yr warranty, FDB, Japanese caps., and $89.99

Make sure to choose Shipped and Sold by Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0C5B6PXJ7

FOCUS GX ATX 3.0

seasonic.com

 

[wNotyarD]

Modular but ATX 3.0, 10 yr warranty, FDB, Japanese caps., and $89.99

Make sure to choose Shipped and Sold by Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0C5B6PXJ7

FOCUS GX ATX 3.0

seasonic.com

@Shrek explictly said non-modular. I think no current model without modular cables uses no Chinese caps. For a fact, both the Deepcool and XPG I mentioned and the Thermaltake @dgianstefani brought into discussion use them. At least they're either ATX 3.0 or 3.1 specced (and those I mentioned have reviews by Aris).

 

[redeye]

Quite the opposite, but I don't want to waste money; I was almost going to add

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

i stand corrected.… i used a non-modular PSU because i needed the space in a case, it was the only one that fit on a specific table.
but the case is too small for my cool and quiet needs… so i am using an external radiator to cool the system…

(a good enough PSU… gigabyte p650g, )

edit: on the other hand, looking my photo, (and thinking “why use a non-modular PSU, they are cheap”)
i could have fit a modular PSU in there…
super firm tofu‘s “zero reason…” reminded me to look at my case photo … my reason : what i had on hand, and it was cheap. (75can )
otherwise i would have used a modular PSU…

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

@Shrek explictly said non-modular. I think no current model without modular cables uses no Chinese caps. For a fact, both the Deepcool and XPG I mentioned and the Thermaltake @dgianstefani brought into discussion use them. At least they're either ATX 3.0 or 3.1 specced (and those I mentioned have reviews by Aris).

I know that, and for completely unrealistic reasons.

Shrek posts here to learn and have a discussion. There’s zero reason for his use case that a mandatory non-modular power supply makes sense.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I don't want to lose cables, or end up using the wrong ones; so a lot of people leave the cable in the case.

I hear you.

Not really an issue.

Sadly it very much is an issue.

Unfortunately, there is no ATX industry standard for the PSU end of modular cables. Component end, sure. But not the PSU end. This means the manufacturers are on their own with the design and configuration/pinout of those connectors. This is why swapping cables with a PSU from a different brand may result in serious consequences and generally is not advisable.

To make matters worse, many brands outsource production of their different models to different OEM makers. This means, in some cases, cables from different PSU models within the same brand are not interchangeable either.

In other words, these cables become "proprietary". And because they may become proprietary, what happens in 5 or 6 years and you need a replacement? There have been instances where the maker/brand no longer carries those cables in stock.

I agree that it really is NOT an issue for individuals with just a single computer. But I have had several small business clients with 6 - 10 computers bought over time as the company grew. That is, 6 - 10 computers with 6 - 10 different PSUs. Rather than bothering with PITA inventories, separating and storing the extra cables for each computer, they ended up stuffing those cables in a ziplock bag and storing them in the bottom of each case. And I can easily see their point for doing that.

Modular PSUs promote better cable management inside the case. And the fewer cables certainly help to minimize impacting air flow and accumulation of dust bunnies. But modular cables have their cons too. More parts, more connections, more potential points of failure - not to mention added costs.

Sadly, it seems most manufacturers reserve their non-modular supplies to their budget lines.

i used a non-modular PSU because i needed the space in a case

Huh? Did you mean to say that? Non-modular take up more space since all the cables, even unused ones, are still attached.

 

[wNotyarD]

I know that, and for completely unrealistic reasons.

Shrek posts here to learn and have a discussion. There’s zero reason for his use case that a mandatory non-modular power supply makes sense.

Sure. That's actually the reason why the first thing I asked was the reason not to opt for a modular PSU.
However, unless he changes his requirements (sic) telling him to get a modular unit seems a bit off to me.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Sure. That's actually the reason why the first thing I asked was the reason not to opt for a modular PSU.
However, unless he changes his requirements (sic) telling him to get a modular unit seems a bit off to me.

I’m not sure why you think I’m ‘telling’ him to get anything.

I provided an affordable option that checked all the boxes other than the most flexible one. I’ll step out of the convo if it makes you happy. Peace.

 

[Shrek]

I know that, and for completely unrealistic reasons.

Shrek posts here to learn and have a discussion. There’s zero reason for his use case that a mandatory non-modular power supply makes sense.

Yes, I am here to learn and sometimes a requirement helps with the choice; I respect your opinion about modular, but I really don't want to lose cables or use the wrong cables in the wrong supply (since pin-outs are not standard)

 

[wNotyarD]

I’m not sure why you think I’m ‘telling’ him to get anything.

I provided an affordable option that checked all the boxes other than the most flexible one. I’ll step out of the convo if it makes you happy. Peace.

Sorry if I sound a little bit on edge. It's just that as a technician I may get a little hellbent over the word "requirement".
Yours is a great recommendation, if ever @Shrek decides modularity to be a possibility.

 

[Shrek]

I’m not sure why you think I’m ‘telling’ him to get anything.

I provided an affordable option that checked all the boxes other than the most flexible one. I’ll step out of the convo if it makes you happy. Peace.

Please don't; you have an opinion that is important.

However, I'm still not convinced about modularity, but that doesn't make me right.
Lost cables, non-standard pin-out makes me reluctant.

 

[ty_ger]

You are upgrading from a terrible power supply. I would be a little more lax on your requirements in order to quickly move on from what you have, onto something much better.
I think some of your requirements (the non-modular one specifically) are illuminating some real good options, and are leaving some options on the table which aren't the best options. Why get picky about some things now?

 

[Shrek]

You are upgrading from a terrible power supply. I would be a little more lax on your requirements in order to quickly move on from what you have, onto something much better.
I think some of your requirements (the non-modular one specifically) are illuminating some real good options, and are leaving some options on the table which aren't the best options. Why get picky about some things now?

The EVGA 500W1 may be a terrible supply, even if it is rated for 40°C, but I am not in a rush as I ended up adding a second bridge rectifier and replacing the 12V capacitors with Japanese units I had.

I think you are right that

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

is picky, reason it was not on the original list; could have added 40°C operating temperature, but this would not have been helpful.

The original Apevia Prestige 600W that came with the CyberPowerPC had me nervous, but the modded EVGA 500W1 gives me time.

Could have added

• solid-state capacitors

and then drop the Japanese requirement, but I don't even know if there are power supplies with all solid-state capacitors.

My real list

• non-modular (not even semi-modular)
• Fluid dynamic fan
• all solid-state capacitors
• 40°C operating temperature
• Individually regulated 12V, 5V, 3.3V

but I am not sure this would have been very helpful when asking advice.

 

[dirtyferret]

The EVGA 500W1 may be a terrible supply, even if it is rated for 40°C, but I am not in a rush as I ended up adding a second bridge rectifier and replacing the 12V capacitors with Japanese units I had.

I think you are right that

• Japanese capacitors
• Fan with fluid-dynamic bearings

is picky, reason it was not on the original list; could have added 40°C operating temperature, but this would not have been helpful.

The original Apevia Prestige 600W that came with the CyberPowerPC had me nervous, but the modded EVGA 500W1 gives me time.

gold, quality caps, and 40c+ will most likely be modular

if you definitely want non-modular the platform off the top of my head that would be decent and come with a quality fan is the CWT one used by corsair CX, XPG pylon, Thermaltake Smart BM2, and one of the Asus lines (forget which). Platform only does bronze though. Another option the CM MWE but that's also bronze.

 

[Shrek]

gold, quality caps, and 40c+ will most likely be modular

Which puts me in a bit of a dilemma as well as showing how useful it was to ask here.

However, I'd happily trade efficiency for reliability and long life, so bronze is an option.

I could add

• fan noise
• coil whine

but again, that would probably not be very helpful.

 

[Assimilator]

So um real question.

What exactly is stopping you from plugging all of the modular cables into the unit.

And installing it in your system?

Then it behaves exactly as a non-modular power supply.

 

[Bill_Bright]

So um real question.

What exactly is stopping you from plugging all of the modular cables into the unit.

And installing it in your system?

Then it behaves exactly as a non-modular power supply.

Ummm, that's actually a pretty good, why didn't I think of that, question!

 

[Shrek]

So um real question.

What exactly is stopping you from plugging all of the modular cables into the unit.

And installing it in your system?

Then it behaves exactly as a non-modular power supply.

Fair question, I assume there is a price premium for modular and I'd rather put the money elsewhere.

More points of failure?