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Hi guys, right now I'm looking for monitors and I have a big question, I'm trying to decide between a 27" with 2ms response time Hannspree and a 24" with 1 ms response time BENQ Major league gaming.

I normally use my pc for Dota 2 and some third person action/adventure/shooters beside school work.

I'm gonna buy them from amazon and the price difference at the actual time is of $20, the money difference is no problem, I just wanna get the bang for my buck, what do you recommend?
Here are the links:

Hannspree 27":http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FJFWHBG/?tag=tec06d-20

BENG MLG 24":http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HSKSMI/?tag=tec06d-20
 
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I would get the BenQ.
 
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I'd choose the Benq as well.
 

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^DELL's Ultrasharp have gone from good to awesome
1ms,2ms or 5ms I dont think makes a big difference IMO

EDIT : Between the two I'd say BenQ
 
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I agree with MxPhenom, after I went to IPS it was far more worth the color reproduction and I didn't notice any MS difference in competitive gaming. Would recommend Ultrasharps or some of Asus's slightly higher IPS panels are fantastic for the price.
 
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If it's strictly for gaming, the TN panel won't matter as much, but those 2ms response times are never fully realized. Reason being it takes a minimum of 8ms to refresh a 60Hz display, which somewhat limits the actual response.

The only reason to go TN is if you simply can't afford a decent IPS monitor or TV, and as cheap as you can get them now, it doesn't make much sense. There are even strobing 32" TVs now that can be had for under $350.

If you're limited to an under $200 budget though, the BenQ would probably be the better of the two. ASUS, Dell and LG are pretty good too, but you'll probably find the BenQ models cheaper.
 

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i went IPS 2 years ago and havent looked back, both my desktops have IPS screens and im going to be looking for a 1440P in the new year. I could never go back to TN, just using my laptop makes my eyes long for the IPS screens in my house :p
 
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Thank you for the responses, and yes I'm limited to those $200, any other opinions are welcome.
 

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120Hz strobing backlight monitor the only option for gaming

Get a 120Hz monitor with a strobing backlight, as it will make a world of difference to your gaming.

We're talking a pin-sharp picture with zero motion blur here which makes the gaming experience amazing and gives you a real advantage in online play over someone that doesn't have it. These are actually way better for gaming than the previous gold standard set by the old CRT monitors.

Don't be fooled by the millisecond pixel refresh time quoted for any particular monitor; don't even look at it. ALL of them show massive amounts of motion blur without a strobing backlight, since it's inherent to the technology.

This website has everything you need to know about these types of monitor: www.blurbusters.com and why you should get one if you're a gamer. For that matter, they even improve the standard Windows desktop too, but it's not so important there.

Also, good quality modern TN panels have a very good picture nowadays, so you should only consider an IPS panel if you're doing any significant photographic work, which you're not.
 

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Maybe this will convince you: The last HannsG display I got, I had to send back for RMA 4 times. Take your own guess what I have to say about them.
 
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Also, good quality modern TN panels have a very good picture nowadays, so you should only consider an IPS panel if you're doing any significant photographic work, which you're not.

I have the same AU Opt panel that Asus is offering with the G-Sync in 24in 60hz variant.

Its horrid even when calibrated. Color from the center to the outer is bad. I cant even sit in front of it for long periods of time anymore because its awful even when web-browsing. A VA or IPS screen is a lot better. Even a mid range panel would be much better.

If you play RTS or MMO games the color of the screen depending on screen size will be off from center to edge. In fast paced games you cant tell as much since your moving all the time.
You don't get that effect with IPS and VA is minor but on TN very noticeable.

If you don't care about color buy a TN screen. If your looking for anything above a 20inch and care if the color from the center of the screen doesn't turn a bit tan/saturated away from center towards the edges stay away from TN screens.
 
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IPS is great and all, I have EIZO FS2333, but it kinda lacks contrast. Something like PVA (my old LCD) or VA is better in that.



Now that I saw FG2421 with VA and 120HZ wish I'd waited a bit longer with my purchase..:laugh:




ps., like Xzibit said TN is not it, it will lack angles no matter what.
 

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Maybe this will convince you: The last HannsG display I got, I had to send back for RMA 4 times. Take your own guess what I have to say about them.

I've heard quite a lot of bad things like this about this brand, so I would steer clear too.

I have the same AU Opt panel that Asus is offering with the G-Sync in 24in 60hz variant.

Its horrid even when calibrated. Color from the center to the outer is bad. I cant even sit in front of it for long periods of time anymore because its awful even when web-browsing. A VA or IPS screen is a lot better. Even a mid range panel would be much better.

If you play RTS or MMO games the color of the screen depending on screen size will be off from center to edge. In fast paced games you cant tell as much since your moving all the time.
You don't get that effect with IPS and VA is minor but on TN very noticeable.

If you don't care about color buy a TN screen. If your looking for anything above a 20inch and care if the color from the center of the screen doesn't turn a bit tan/saturated away from center towards the edges stay away from TN screens.

It seems like the panel you got is a lot worse than mine, unfortunately. Is it bad enough to be considered faulty and qualify for an RMA, do you think?

Mine definitely has a "TN character" as it were and light bleed from the bottom especially is quite noticeable, but it's still overall a vibrant, clear, good quality picture with decent colour. Also, the side to side colour shift isn't too bad.

Going back to strobing backlights, when I got the monitor, I knew it supported LightBoost, but I didn't understand the significance of it. I was comparing it to my previous 26" 1920x1200 Iiyama monitor and was even considering returning it, but it just won out in the end. When I later saw LightBoost in action in 2D mode, I was gobsmacked and considered the upgrade over my old monitor a no-brainer. This is why as I'm a gamer, it's a strobing backlight for me now, or nothing.
 
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It seems like the panel you got is a lot worse than mine, unfortunately. Is it bad enough to be considered faulty and qualify for an RMA, do you think?

Mine definitely has a "TN character" as it were and light bleed from the bottom especially is quite noticeable, but it's still overall a vibrant, clear, good quality picture with decent colour. Also, the side to side colour shift isn't too bad.

Your Asus VG278H screen is Chi Mei Innolux. The Asus VG248QE is AU Optronics which I was talking about but TN is TN.


Asus VG278HE
Default
Delta E Average 7.5
Delta E Maximum 20.4
Calibrated
Delta E Average 0.6
Delta E Maximum 1.4
*Red is high so it will give a tannish/saturated look in angle viewing

Dell U2312HM
Default
Delta E Average 2.2
Delta E Maximum 4.9
Calibrated
Delta E Average 0.3
Delta E Maximum 0.9

Once you upgrade from a TN to a VA or IPS and sit in front of it the majority of the time and then walk back to your TN screen you can pick up on a lot of the things you would other wise not even notice because you just got use to them because all you were seeing is a TN screen.

A much more simple way of looking at it is comparing a Apple iPod touch 4gen to a 5gen screen.
If the difference doesn't bother you then stay with the TN panel.
 
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I had a U2312HM for a period of time and I didn't like it. I found the matte finish on the screen gave it a really grainy look tbh. I traded it with a friend for an LG IPS235 which I found to be better - no where near as grainy and I thought the picture was not as blurry in fast paced games. But maybe it was just that the LG happened to be a really good example and the Dell not so much.

This is the smaller version of my screen I'm using atm;
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V8F700/?tag=tec06d-20

The only negative I have for the 27" one is a weak stand meaning it wobbles a bit if you touch it and annoying touch buttons but I think the newer one above has normal buttons.
 

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Your Asus VG278H screen is Chi Mei Innolux. The Asus VG248QE is AU Optronics which I was talking about but TN is TN.



Asus VG278H
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Delta E Average 7.5
Delta E Maximum 20.4
Calibrated
Delta E Average 0.6
Delta E Maximum 1.4

Dell U2312HM
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Delta E Average 2.2
Delta E Maximum 4.9
Calibrated
Delta E Average 0.3
Delta E Maximum 0.9

Once you upgrade from a TN to a VA or IPS and sit in front of it the majority of the time and then walk back to your TN screen you can pick up on a lot of the things you would other wise not even notice because you just got use to them because all you were seeing is a TN screen.

A much more simple way of looking at it is comparing a Apple iPod touch 4gen to a 5gen screen.
If the difference doesn't bother you then stay with the TN panel.

Ok, that explains the difference in image quality between yours and mine then.

IMO the strobing backlight is such a critical / must-have feature for gaming, that it completely swamps any benefits of IPS. Strobelight monitors also tend to have the lowest latency to afaik. Plus, I've got an old Dell IPS monitor (1600x1200 resolution, forgotten the model number) so I know what IPS is like. Great colours and viewing angles for sure, but it still doesn't embarrass my VG278HE, that's how far TN has come.

Again, if one wants to use their monitor mostly for image manipulation or video work, then IPS is the way to go. Hopefully, when OLED becomes mainstream, we won't have to compromise, being able to buy a monitor that can do it all.
 
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IMO the strobing backlight is such a critical / must-have feature for gaming, that it completely swamps any benefits of IPS.

You don't have to settle for TN just to get strobing anymore though. Like I said, there are strobing 32" TVs for under $350 now.

One benefit of gaming on a TV is it's easy to adjust color saturation. With so many games using color desaturation to make objects look aged and sun faded, and lighting that makes it hard to see things indoors without cranking up gamma a bit, it's nice to be able to add some color warmth, which can significantly overcome faded colors due to intended desaturation OR increases in gamma.
 

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You don't have to settle for TN just to get strobing anymore though. Like I said, there are strobing 32" TVs for under $350 now.

One benefit of gaming on a TV is it's easy to adjust color saturation. With so many games using color desaturation to make objects look aged and sun faded, and lighting that makes it hard to see things indoors without cranking up gamma a bit, it's nice to be able to add some color warmth, which can significantly overcome faded colors due to intended desaturation OR increases in gamma.

But aren't all those TVs showing you 120Hz interpolated along with a strobing backlight? That wouldn't be the same as true 120Hz.

I think I saw recently an IPS panel with a strobe light. May have been an announcement for a forthcoming product perhaps, I can't remember now.
 
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Get a 120Hz monitor with a strobing backlight, as it will make a world of difference to your gaming.

We're talking a pin-sharp picture with zero motion blur here which makes the gaming experience amazing and gives you a real advantage in online play over someone that doesn't have it. These are actually way better for gaming than the previous gold standard set by the old CRT monitors.

Don't be fooled by the millisecond pixel refresh time quoted for any particular monitor; don't even look at it. ALL of them show massive amounts of motion blur without a strobing backlight, since it's inherent to the technology.

This website has everything you need to know about these types of monitor: www.blurbusters.com and why you should get one if you're a gamer. For that matter, they even improve the standard Windows desktop too, but it's not so important there.

Also, good quality modern TN panels have a very good picture nowadays, so you should only consider an IPS panel if you're doing any significant photographic work, which you're not.

I learned a lot from the site you posted good stuff. Been eyeing those 120/144hz monitors for a while.:toast:
 
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But aren't all those TVs showing you 120Hz interpolated along with a strobing backlight? That wouldn't be the same as true 120Hz.

I think I saw recently an IPS panel with a strobe light. May have been an announcement for a forthcoming product perhaps, I can't remember now.

Actual 120Hz has nothing to do with it, and you won't find strobing AND 120Hz in that price range. I was referring to a 60Hz Samsung TV that uses strobing to minimize motion blur, nothing more.

You can have strobing in either 60 or 120Hz displays, it's synced to the refresh rate. I believe what you may be referring to is Nvidia's requirement for 3D Vision capable displays that strobe, because the stereoscopics require 60Hz per side to get smooth results.

Quite frankly 120Hz can add as many problems as it solves, depending on who's doing the buying, since you need pretty hefty GPU power to even stay at that frame rate in lots of games.
 
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I had a U2312HM for a period of time and I didn't like it. I found the matte finish on the screen gave it a really grainy look tbh.

That's too bad. My S2340Ms have a glossy finish and the displays looks amazing. I definitely could see where if it wasn't glossy how it wouldn't look nearly as good. In defense of Dell though, I've been incredibly happy with my displays. For 145 USD a pop, I couldn't go wrong. One of the best investments I've made so far.

I bought 6 of these at work for my boss, myself, and some new co-workers. The first day I used it, I was dead set on buying at least 2 of them for myself. They're nice displays and I wish I had a camera that did them justice.

Dell S2340M Black 23" 7ms (GTG) Widescreen LED Bac...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009H0XQRS/?tag=tec06d-20

Not to say that this is something that you want, I just want to say, don't rule out Dell and IPS panels that easily. They make a pretty good display.
 
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