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Who'll be the better president?

Who'll be the better president?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 1,290 57.9%
  • John McCain

    Votes: 333 14.9%
  • But I want George W. Bush

    Votes: 177 7.9%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 429 19.2%

  • Total voters
    2,229
  • Poll closed .
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That I find really sad..... My grandparents on each side are exactly that way... Mothers side votes ALL Democrat no matter what, fathers side ALL Republican no matter what...

There is a reason I don't get into discussing politics with them.... A completely useless conversation. :ohwell:
Yep. That's exactly how the majority of people are here. I tend to vote more on the Republican side, but am in no way a Republican. I vote on the individual candidates. I have voted for quite a few Democratic candidates in my local elections. It just so happens I've never voted for a Democratic President. Haven't had one I agree with yet.
 

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Is he really gonna be as bad as you guys are saying? How can he be worse than Bush..
 
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We are after all creatures of habit. It's much more comfortable to think the way you've always thought than attempt to discover why what you thought was wrong all along. Even harder to see why what you thought was just as right as what the person who disagreed what you thought.
 

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there will always be whiners, I'm just so glad i heard a coherent speech from a president elect... that hasn't happened in 8 years. Also, thank you Palin :D.
Yeah, his speech had hints of Kennedy and Reagan. It really sounds as if he hoping to play the centralist. I really hope so. I get so sick of the partisan nonsense from both sides.
 
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what pisses me off is the electoral college didnt even come close to representing the population.
 
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Yeah, his speech had hints of Kennedy and Reagan. It really sounds as if he hoping to play the centralist. I really hope so. I get so sick of the partisan nonsense from both sides.
Great speeches from both sides tonight, both very classy and very fitting of their situations.
 
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So...What about VP elect saying obama will be tested with a major international crysis, if he was elected. So...............................
 
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Those who vote democrat are stupid? You started out this thread effective, but have come to seem extremely closed minded and repetitive. You have your beliefs and others have theirs. They may be short-sighted, perhaps unable to clearly see the future, but to call them stupid is ignorance in it's ugliest form.
Democrat voters typically believe the following:
1- Anyone rich stole it or cheated someone out of it
2- There is such a thing as Government money
3 - Governments role is to take care of people
4 - people are victims of circumstance, not responsible for their own actions

And all of the above are WRONG.

Our constitution tells us what the government CANT to, but we let it anyway. Amendment 10 - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

A modern translation would be: All powers not granted the United States by this constitution are reserved for the respective states, and the people. Meaning, All Power comes from the people. From the people to the states, and from the states to the federal. This is why the SENATE was originally elected by the state governments - a method that ought to be restored post-haste....

Government has no POWER unless taken from (or given by) the people.
Government has no MONEY unless taken from (or given by) the people.

For the government to GIVE YOU money, as Mr. Barry Obama has promised, it must first be taken from someone else.

Are you saying that you believe Barry and the Congress are so much wiser than you? That they know better what to do with your income than you do? Because that is a true belief of Democrat politicians as well... I can't find it now, but there is a video and audio of Bill Clinton talking against "tax cuts" because he's afraid you won't spend it right... (*sigh*).

In the mind of a democrat / stateist, all money is property of the state, and you're lucky they let you keep some.

What obama plans to do is tantamount to slavery.

1 - you own your life, and are guaranteed it. The right to life, liberty, and property is how it was originally phrased, changed by Ben Franklin to "the pursuits of happiness".

2 -you trade bits of your life, your labor, to your employer in exchange for money.

3 - along comes the government. Besides the fees for services that are common good (provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare (i.e. ensure that one group is not abusing another -- in the 1770's welfare did not mean "handout", but that word was co-opted by the dems in the 60's to support the 'constitutionality' of the "great society"...)), they say "bob needs your money, so I'll take another 12%..."

That part there - taking money without receipt of service - is unconstitutional, evil, immoral, and, down right mean spirited.

When obama implements his tax hikes, and all these small businesses go bust or lay off people, we'll all see that he's baked a cake full of rocks and cowchips...
 
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We are after all creatures of habit. It's much more comfortable to think the way you've always thought than attempt to discover why what you thought was wrong all along.
Fuck electricity! I like my candles!
Cellular phones? Who the hell wants a phone with them at all times?!
Alternative fuels? Why would we ever want to move away from fossil fuels?
Pepsi? But there's nothing wrong with Coke!

I think I've proven my point, but if not let me know and I'll keep going.
 

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Fellow TPU members,

It has been a great honour and privilege to have this debate span so many pages, with so much material and so much content. It's been a bit of a journey for me as well, seeing that I started off as a newbie to American politics at the start of this thread, I genuinely learned a lot about not only American politics, but its people in general. At the end of the day, there's always only one winner, and I'm glad it is the institution of democracy, and the willingness of Americans to believe in unbiased, unprejudiced power to vote. It also makes me feel a little special that my country functions in a manner so similar to yours.

Everything happens for a reason, and has a purpose to serve, end of it. Like with everything, this thread has done its job, and boy, in what clinical fashion: 2500+ posts in a little over one month! It has served the very important duty of an internet forum: to achieve collective consciousness.

With the US Elections, this thread comes to a close. Thank you for all your comments, thank you for your time, thank you for your patience, and a special thank you, for giving TechPoweUp! Forums the chance to make your valuable opinions heard.

God bless you all!

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