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Who'll be the better president?

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Who'll be the better president?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2008.
  1. Barack Obama

    1,290 vote(s)
    57.9%
  2. John McCain

    333 vote(s)
    14.9%
  3. But I want George W. Bush

    177 vote(s)
    7.9%
  4. Don't care

    429 vote(s)
    19.2%
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  1. Bigjohn

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    actually, the law that made that so, or rather clarified that, was passed in 1971... just FYI there is a similar consideration going around on McCain, but he only has one birth certificate out there.... and, his position (qualification) has been establised by laws that were on the books at his birth, and others establshd after the fact (clarifications of the law, up to and including that 1971 Jus sanguinis situation...

    Just getting the facts out there... Prior to 1971 you had to be born OF american citizens on ground considered american soil by law (such as the canal zone, or a military base or embasy) to be considered "natural born".


    Amazing that Obama is not up by 30 points in the polls given that the MEDIA is in the tank for him...
     
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    You need to check your facts better. A guy called George Romney ran for the republican presidential ticket in 1968, and he was born in Mexico. How would he have ran if he wasn't considered "natural-born?"

    I can't find any references to this 1971 law you speak of -- only thing I could find was a 1790 law which stated that:

    "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
     
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    All i gotta say is that i want another Republican in house next. If we get McCain in seat.. well thats just another 4 years of Bush and the economy will just suffer even more. Cause we all know that Bush backs McCain, and McCain's economic views are identical to Bush's. So yea if you want the economy to suffer more vote McCain. If you want to get out of this "recession" vote Obama. And thats the facts.
     
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    Don't forget that when you "correct" a market it can take up to 3-4 years to notice the effects. I think that whoever makes president is going to have a hard time to clean up and i doubt they'll succeed. Maybe at the end of the term we'll see what the true effect of the Bush bailout plan had on the economics market in the USA and the world.
     
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    Another reason we didnt need the Liar, otherwise the Man known as Romney, as president.

    Honestly MDM...about really all I can say. Im not even sure I want to discuss this stuff with you anymore.
     
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    Yep, your right there........like a bad fookin rash :mad:
     
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    i hate how McCain and plain keep talking about "real" America and "real" Americans
    just thought i would throw that out there
     
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    Changes based on foreign investments and the commodities market is much more volatile lately. Meaning that the US economy can recover faster than any other market in the world if the right things are put into play. I am optimistic but I am not expecting miracles either way. An economic solution is easily found with ending our war in Iraq and with that many soldiers you could accomplish the Afgan war in a month easily.;)

    We are all Americans(except illegals), and we deserve the respect that comes with it. If anything a fake America would be Alaska. We bought it from the reds. :laugh:

    Palin's husband was part of the "secessionist" Alaskan Independence Party.
     
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    Why is it if you are conservative, heterosexual ,christian, white person your considered a intolerant right wing nut , but if your a agnostic, left wing ,gay person ,your a progressive open mined person WTF . Sarah Palin has done absolutely nothing wrong and has been intolerant to not a single person what is that comment about .
     
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    So, is it tolerance when you try to fire the ex-husband of your sister from the police, and because the chief doesn't want to fire him, you fire the chief instead?


    BTW this is why real conservatives won't vote for McCain. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html
     
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    You mean the Ex husband who tazed his own teenage son with 50,000 volts of electricity, while off duty, at home as a form of discipline. Then, poached a moose while on duty and in uniform with his service revolver and committed several confirmed ethics violations as a police officer, um let me think about that a second, NO!!!!!! have you ever been tazed (as a part of training) I have and if anyone ever used that on a child as discipline they should be fired and anyone who covers for them should be aswell. Unless of course it was to save a life or to prevent serious physical harm in the line of duty and that was not the case here.
     
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    being tazed sucks dude...alot...(it wasn't a police tazer though, one of my uncles "toys")
     
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    well these are much different than that they feel like ten people are inside you with sledge hammers trying to beat their way out of you. The newer ones are even worse.
     
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    so trt might i ask how you know what a police issue tazer feels like :D

    the one i got hit with was one of those personal defense ones that you can buy of the internet or a few gun shops have them, not as strong, but it is still a bitch to get hit with
     
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    He killed a moose with his service revolver? Tazed his children, beat his wife, and is a spy for the Russian government. Thats just on the weekends. :laugh:

    I just find the accusations silly unless it comes from a reputable source. Could you link where you read it please?

    BTW A governors job is not to fire policemen for moose killings or domestic abuse.
     
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    no the part highlighted is factual your statement is nonsense.
     
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    I was a police officer and as part of training you are tazed (its optional) but is intended to help you testify if you are disarmed and it is used on you or you are threatened with it, why you would consider it a deadly force encounter. It totally immobilizes you but the person using it on you can strike you and has you at their mercy unless they touch the wires. It can be used on you for up to 45 minutes straight before the battery runs out.
     
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    sweet i never knew you were a cop that's pretty cool man
    but im going to get get back on topic
    i have been seeing a lot of people calling obama a socialist, and while some of his ideas are socialist, so are some of McCains, so before you try and slander one candidate for something, try and make sure the other one doesn't have similar policies up his sleeve
     
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    So you are now saying beat his wife?
     
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    no you said that
     
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    tbh i wouldn't be surprised, dude sounds like an asshole

    seriously if i ever see a parent taze their child, (unless out of self defense) i would make sure that "parent" couldn't hold that tazer again but that is a bit off topic


    damn dude i didn't know that, learn something new everyday
    thanks for that info:toast:
     
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    You said the highlighted part was factual which included the wife beater accusation.


    You know I was kidding but I would like to see where you got that info from because I can't find that info anywhere. Care to dignify it with a link. If she was just trying to do the right thing I would like to know. Otherwise its just a shameless lie to cover her ass TBH. We all know she never successfully banned a book and Obama has no real connection to Ayres so I wonder if the incrimination of the sister's ex-husband was just another farce to cover up her possible abuse of power.
     
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    what abuse of power unless the chief was covered under civil service (he isn't) then hes appointed and can be fired for farting if the Mayor or Governor in this case wants him gone. Just like when Clinton came into office and fired several US attorney generals and the same thing when Bush came into office and did it aswell (he got all kinds of flack but Clinton didn't gee wonder why that is) they are appointed and can be fired at will with no recourse. It is part of being able to appoint someone and with that power right or wrong comes the ability to fire at will. Example county sheriffs fire entire command staffs when they come into office for no reason but they want their people supporting them. Happens all the time and is totally legal.
     
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    You can't tax and spend your way out of recession, but Obama thinks he's different so he can.
    Take 700 k from a wealthy guy, he's going to fire the gardener, the maid, the pool boy... 3 more on unemployment...:banghead: Poor people given a buck don't create jobs.
     
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    How many times have you repeated the exact same thing? He won't have to fire all those people, and won't if the services are valuable to him. And yes, poor people given money can indeed create jobs. Many wealthy were poor once and given an opportunity (not to mention jobs created in retail and service now that the poor have more money). As WhiteLotus pointed out, GDP goes up. And tax on the wealthy is not solely intended on saving the economy.

    It's like no other issue exists in your mind other than your money is absolutely yours and everyone should own a gun. :laugh: You keep scouting out new people to bring your message of "down with socialism" to.
     
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