Who'll be the better president?

[Bigjohn]

Wow -- you just defended FDR as being worthy of the presidency despite his injuries. Good job! You see -- you can defend socialism, when it suits you.

I don't recall giving Obama a pass. Please don't make claims like that unless you can back them up.

Never once defended his policies...I liked truman just a tad bit better. But the fact that he was in a wheel chair didn't change who he was.

 

[trt740]

heres a good read for you

...and believe it or not, it's still hearsay, just like the video of John McCain and Jane Fonda in 1975.

The Real Obama
Basic facts.

By Thomas Sowell

Critics of Senator Barack Obama make a strategic mistake when they talk about his “past associations.” That just gives his many defenders in the media an opportunity to counter-attack against “guilt by association.”

We all have associations, whether at the office, in our neighborhood, or in various recreational activities. Most of us neither know nor care what our associates believe or say about politics.

Associations are very different from alliances. Allies are not just people who happen to be where you are or who happen to be doing the same things you do. You choose allies deliberately for a reason. The kind of allies you choose says something about you.

Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, William Ayers, and Antoin Rezko are not just people who happened to be at the same place at the same time as Barack Obama. They are people with whom he chose to ally himself for years, and with some of whom some serious money changed hands.

Some gave political support, and some gave financial support, to Obama’s election campaigns, and Obama in turn contributed either his own money or the taxpayers’ money to some of them. That is a familiar political alliance — but an alliance is not just an “association” from being at the same place at the same time.

Obama could have allied himself with all sorts of other people. But, time and again, he allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that.

Unfortunately, all that most people know about Barack Obama is his own rhetoric and that of his critics. Moreover, some of his more irresponsible critics have made wild accusations — that he is not an American citizen or that he is a Muslim, for example.

All that such false charges do is discredit Obama’s critics in general. Fortunately, there is a documented, factual account of what Barack Obama has actually been doing over the years, as distinguished from what he has been saying during this election campaign, in a new best-selling book.

That book is titled The Case Against Barack Obama by David Freddoso. He starts off in the introduction by repudiating those critics of Obama who “have been content merely to slander him — to claim falsely that he refuses to salute the U.S. flag or was sworn into office on a Koran, or that he was born in a foreign country.”

This is a serious book with 35 pages of documentation in the back to support the things said in the main text. In other words, if you don’t believe what the author says, he lets you know where you can go check it out.

Barack Obama’s being the first serious black candidate for president of the United States is what most people consider remarkable but how he got there is at least equally surprising.

The story of Obama’s political career is not a pretty story. He won his first political victory by being the only candidate on the ballot — after hiring someone skilled at disqualifying the signers of opposing candidates’ petitions, on whatever technicality he could come up with.

Despite his words today about “change” and “cleaning up the mess in Washington,” Obama was not on the side of reformers who were trying to change the status quo of corrupt, machine politics in Chicago and clean up the mess there. Obama came out in favor of the Daley machine and against reform candidates.

Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini.

Why much of the public and the media have been so mesmerized by the words and the image of Obama, and so little interested in learning about the factual reality, was perhaps best explained by an official of the Democratic party: “People don’t come to Obama for what he’s done, they come because of what they hope he can be.”

David Freddoso’s book should be read by those people who want to know what the facts are. But neither this book nor anything else is likely to change the minds of Obama’s true believers, who have made up their minds and don’t want to be confused by the facts.


source national review http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmM1NzBkNGI4MGRkZjFmOTg4ZjU3ODVjNmE5ZGM0OGI

 

[mdm-adph]

You know as much as I do that isn't the case.

No I don't, and neither do you, frankly, since neither one of us is psychic. That's why I said "I think..."

I began that analysis before and gave up because there were so many references to "John" by Obama. Here is the lengthy list of "John's" I did parse out:
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/72571/#545702

Note that debates are never truly positive or they wouldn't be debates in the first place. A debate where everyone agrees isn't a debate at all.

Every time Obama "praised" McCain, it was followd by a "but" or some other rebutal of the previous statement nullifing any positive effect.

Wow -- you're everywhere on the net. And a praise followed by a "but" is still a praise. Don't blame Obama having to simultaneously praise and rebute -- that's McCain's campaign's fault for making anyone seem "un-American" any time you question his judgement, due to his "war hero" status.

Only because the liberals want you to believe it is. McCain stuck to the bipartisian agreements crafted in 2005.

The Democrats were trying to make the CIA play by the DOD rule book and there is absolutely no reason to do that. McCain took a stand here--he pressured Bush to veto it.

Your view of this situation differs with mine -- what more can be said? I agree that McCain originally wanted something different in 2005 -- however him backing out later still seems like it was just pandering to the Republican base, especially with his nomination in the future.

What has the CIA done to you? "Torture" isn't the right word. It is common practice by all nations of the world to interrogate captives for potential information; however, there is humane and inhumane ways to do it. The CIA is not doing anything inhumane right now. There is nothing strong to suggest they are. If they are, we need to make sure the practice is discontinued. There is no reason to make the CIA play by the DOD rule book. For instance, a CIA interrogation method may be ellaborate and time consuming which can be applied over years (make them crack without realizing it). The DOD doesn't have time for that. If you make the CIA follow the DOD rulebook, the CIA could not longer use those time consuming and elaborate methods that generally produce better results. They're stuck using the methods that the DOD use.

Let me phrase it differently: The DOD wants information as to where enemies, weapons, and supplies are being stashed. That way they can go and check it out ASAP. The CIA wants information on high-value targets and long-term strategic information like where the head of state sleeps at night and where they are developing weapons of mass destruction. The DOD wants information to create on the fly tactics. The CIA wants information to create a sound, long term strategy.

I really can't make it any more clear than that. By vetoing it, it defines the role the CIA and DOD play in war.

"Torture" isn't the right word to you. Quite a few people disagree with that.

The fact the definition of "torture" even has to be debated is sad.

Never once defended his policies...I liked truman just a tad bit better. But the fact that he was in a wheel chair didn't change who he was.

No, but you do defend the fact that he made those policy decisions with a sound mind (since his injuries weren't a handicap), and since he wasn't a stupid person, you basically admit that they're worth consideration.

I wonder -- did FDR ever use his handicaps for sympathy or as an excuse? In the same way that McCain should be "excused" for not knowing how to use one of the most important technological tools of the 20th century, or "excused" for not looking another person in the eye when they're talking?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Wow -- you just defended FDR as being worthy of the presidency despite his injuries. Good job! You see -- you can defend socialism, when it suits you.

I don't recall giving Obama a pass. Please don't make claims like that unless you can back them up.

I don't care for FDR's politics but, that is beside the point. He was crippled and was able to serve three terms. McCain isn't as crippled and yet, he is being discriminated against? You are being extremely discriminatory in this regard and it is VERY unfounded. Yes, he is old. Yes, he has a badly battered body. No, that doesn't disqualify him from being the President. If it does, then we need to rewrite the Constitution to provide better protection of discriminating against the elderly and injured. That should be done no matter what. This attitude of yours (and Democrats in general) makes me sick.

Case in point: If Obama had polio right now and openly admitted it, I wouldn't be using it against him. Yes, his term might be cut short but as long as they are "able to serve," their illness is completely irrelevant. Maybe a 1-2 year term would be fore the better.

I'd elect Stephen Hawking to office if I could. It's the brain that counts, not the body.

 

[Bigjohn]

<snip>

No, but you do defend the fact that he made those policy decisions with a sound mind (since his injuries weren't a handicap), and since he wasn't a stupid person, you basically admit that they're worth consideration.

No, that's a leap you took on your own.
The new deal was the beginning of the progressives RAPE of this country and all that is good about it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

"Torture" isn't the right word to you. Quite a few people disagree with that.

The fact the definition of "torture" even has to be debated is sad.

The objective of the CIA and DOD is to "interrogate." "Torture" simply means inhumane treatment so, "anti-torture" is humane treatment. Put the two together and you get "humane interrogation." "Torture" is only relevant if something is done that is forbidden by law.

You can call someone tickling you "torture" but obviously, that doesn't really help define anything...

 

[FudFighter]

ok so what i get from all the pages of SHIT i read in this thred.

some people think we should: kill/let die all cripples and people who have any mental or physical problems because it would be better for the gene pool.

Outlaw all abortion, if the pregnancy is a thred to the mothers life, let them both die, again better for the gene pool I guess.......

Not vote for obama because he went to a church with a batshit crazy preecher(guess im not welcome to run for pres since i was raised in a church with a battshit crazy preecher who was a nice guy but was also insainly bad about hating on anybody who wasnt in 100% agreement with his views)

Let people who cant afford to pay for care in advance at emergency room die, hell if they cant afford to pay for treatment they must be genetic rejects so again ur cleaning the gene pool.

Abolish all taxes, because taxing people to pay to run the govt is theft.

Stay in a war thats never going to end and keep spending extreamly large ammounts of money (borrowed from china!!!)
now to this I dont think an instant pullout is the answer but I dont think staying in there for the next 20-30-40-50-80 years is going to fix it...........

what else did I see the extream rightwing nutters saying.......

oh yeah, no govt involvement in anything let the free market deside what gets done........yeah thats gonna work.......so u could keep ur money insted of pay taxes but endup spending more because free maket prices could keep going up up up...woot........

trickel down works, the rich eventuly trickle down something to the poor, most times its the equivlant of piss but hey its still trickle down!!!!!

humm what else was there........

meh dosnt matter,

my comments as shortly as I can put it.


100% privat healthcare isnt doing the trick, nore is "capitilisim" Now I am a "capitolist" I run my own small computer/tech consulting shop, but fact is that if this last 6 months has shown us anything its that there needs to be some level of govt control/oversite or shit goes to hell.....I think doing this with healthcare would be great, those who can afford it can get their own privat health plans, those who cant would beable to get basick healthcare via medicare, yeah its gonna cost more in the short term, but its been shown in a few studys I read(mag's will have to try and find them again) that by giving people health coverage that would cover preventitive care we could avoid the larger emergency health care costs.

its cheaper to give somebody with say TB pinicilin when its in its early stages then to give them care in a hosp for a week or more after it gets to a sever stage.
or strep, if any of you have seen how bad it can get......it can kill, it can also spred like wildfire, and by the time it gets bad enough most people go to hosp, many times they endup spending the night or a few nights......cost far higher then the person being able to go see a doc, get some meds and take them......

see its the typical rethuglican thing it would cost more in the short term and take money out of the hands of those greedy corps they all own stock in.......so its a bad thing.

btw for republicans to say they want smaller govt and less involvment in peoples lives is a bad joke.

try googling
patriot act
death of habeas corpus(military commitions act)

to name 2, I would post more but most of the people that really need to understand these things are to set in their view to truely understand the facts behind these "laws"


oh and the one thing I really hate clintion for DMCA, other then that and lieing about getting a bj, he was a riot, mcdonalds fixation was funny as hell to us, gave people like me hope he may stop in one day for a burger(i worked at mcdonalds for a while back then, became a manager then quit )

little more on national healthcare, yeah it would cost a few bucks a month per person due to taxes but medicare is acctualy far more efficent then any HMO ever has been, its a PITA but its efficent (specly considering its govt program!!!)

I dont trust our govt, Infact im about as untrusting as you can get, life experiance has taught me that the govt is not for the people, and that the fact is its guilty till proven innocent.

but its also taught me that when ur hurt and got no insurance even a trip to hosp because a cop caused a cat to bite you can endup givinging you THOUSANDS of dollers in medical bills........

lets look at what they did.

made me sit and wait 3hrs dispite being very slow day(maby 8 people in the waiting room tops)

looked at my hand and said "yup thats a cat bite"

forced me to take IV antibiotics dispite the wound showing zero signs of infection.(it blead like a bitch and was just a little read at the puncture sits no swelling)

forced me to let them numb and flush the wound.

forced me to get the pills from their pharmicy since i couldnt afford to get what they prescribed(they wouldnt go with something cheaper)

total bill, over 3300bucks........

a friend of mine got bit by a racoon in canada, he ended up spending 150bucks total for his care.......thats without any privat insurance...........

his wounds where worse, he needed stiches and NEEDED the iv and such, still was drastickly cheaper, oh and he got in within 10min of showing up dispite the eroom being fairly busy(he was talking to me on his cell as he waited lol)

my basic point is, drug companys and HMO's and such all just want to hammer the american public and govt atm because theres nothing stoping it.

why is a cheaper to get the exect same drugs in canada or mexico (the real ones i mean) then it is to get them in the states?

if they wherent making money these drug compansy wouldnt be in that market.......but htey clearly are making $ off it just less then they are RAPING us and IMHO commiting highway robbery(theift) via their unfair pricing practices that our govt incurages..


blah, I dont like eather choice, but out of the 2 that have a chance obama scares me less then mccain, and biden is far less scarey then palin, at least to me he dosnt come off as a religous reigh nuttjob that isnt even able to answer simple questions in interviews.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I wonder -- did FDR ever use his handicaps for sympathy or as an excuse? In the same way that McCain should be "excused" for not knowing how to use one of the most important technological tools of the 20th century, or "excused" for not looking another person in the eye when they're talking?

FDR kept it secret.

McCain only talks about his injuries when someone else brings it up and he always down plays it through humor. Just like FDR, it is a non-issue to him. He just doesn't attempt to hide it like FDR did. Everyone knew about McCain's condition when he got off the aircraft from Vietnam. No one knew about FDR's condition except members of the family. There's no sense hiding something that is public knowledge--you'd just be wasting time and energy.

Bush gave up using computers when he got sworn into office for the sake of not leaking intelligence. McCain just isn't the computing type either. My brother is the same way. Most people see computers as a necessary evil.

I told you that I really don't know why he didn't in the first debate. Everything I have and would say further is pure speculation.

More speculation: It could have done something to do with coming straight from Washington, D.C., for instance. He had very little time to prepare for the debate and was probably quite apprehensive about how Obama + Democrats were attacking McCain for "suspending" his campaign. It could have been because Obama didn't allow the debate to be postponed. There is a lot of things McCain could have been upset at Obama about that caused him to stay focused on Jim Lehrer.

The truth is, we will never know why he behaved the way he did. I certainly don't blame the neck injuries as the cause of this.

If I had to put money on a single reason why he didn't look at Obama, it would be because he didn't have time to prepare. He was feeling uncomfortable so he had to find some source of comfort. That ended up being Jim Lehrer.

 

[FudFighter]

No, that's a leap you took on your own.
The new deal was the beginning of the progressives RAPE of this country and all that is good about it.

maby you should move to your own privant deserted island someplace, i think you would be happier, nobody to tax your earnings, you can keep all the shells you find and eat all the food you hunt and gather, none of your "earnings" would go to anybody but you.......no govt to rape you our of your earnings.

 

[Bigjohn]

maby you should move to your own privant deserted island someplace, i think you would be happier, nobody to tax your earnings, you can keep all the shells you find and eat all the food you hunt and gather, none of your "earnings" would go to anybody but you.......no govt to rape you our of your earnings.

and I think you should go to school to learn basic grammar and sentence structure.

Taxes for SERVICES = a valid part of government.
Taxes to take my money and yours and give it to some crackhead == NOT!

 

[WhiteLotus]

I can't believe this thread is still going on - seriously... why?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Stay in a war thats never going to end

It officially ended when Bush gave the "mission accomplished" speech. Wars can only be fought in countries that have a government hostile to you. The past several years have been peace-keeping/enforcing efforts. If things keep going like they are now, the US presence will greatly diminish over the next three years (still working on the terms with the Iraqis).

...but fact is that if this last 6 months has shown us anything its that there needs to be some level of govt control/oversite or shit goes to hell...

Corruption/greed of corporations and politicians caused the subprime mortgage collapse. This could have stopped years ago but damn politicians with their hands in the cookie jar that is Fannie Mae wouldn't allow it.

I think doing this with healthcare would be great, those who can afford it can get their own privat health plans, those who cant would beable to get basick healthcare via medicare, yeah its gonna cost more in the short term, but its been shown in a few studys I read(mag's will have to try and find them again) that by giving people health coverage that would cover preventitive care we could avoid the larger emergency health care costs.

Need I remind you that, without Obama's additional healthcare expenditures, the Medicaid/Medicare system will become insolvent (more money going out than in) in 2019 and will incur upwards of 50 trillion in debt (we're at 10 trillion now). In case you don't get the message there, Medicaid/Medicare is like the Titanic and already hit the iceberg--she'll only be able to stay a float so much longer.

its cheaper to give somebody with say TB pinicilin when its in its early stages then to give them care in a hosp for a week or more after it gets to a sever stage.
or strep, if any of you have seen how bad it can get......it can kill, it can also spred like wildfire, and by the time it gets bad enough most people go to hosp, many times they endup spending the night or a few nights......cost far higher then the person being able to go see a doc, get some meds and take them......

You can't go to a doctor every time your throat is itchy. It adds up to costing more than going when you're pretty sure it's serious and it is developed enough that it can be diagnosed.

little more on national healthcare, yeah it would cost a few bucks a month per person due to taxes but medicare is acctualy far more efficent then any HMO ever has been, its a PITA but its efficent (specly considering its govt program!!!)

Only because Medicare/Medicaid settle for 1/4 of what these healthcare professionals would make otherwise. And no, it isn't efficient--it just kicks capitalism in the balls. Yes, something like that is necessary for those that can't fair for themselves but the answer isn't to expand Medicaid/Medicare--the answer is to replace it with something better. Now that I understand McCain's idea, I really like it.

forced me to take IV antibiotics dispite the wound showing zero signs of infection.(it blead like a bitch and was just a little read at the puncture sits no swelling)

Signs of infection usually don't show up immediately...

forced me to let them numb and flush the wound.

Better than having it amputated due to a foreign object getting in the site...

orced me to get the pills from their pharmicy since i couldnt afford to get what they prescribed(they wouldnt go with something cheaper)

My local pharmacists tell me if there is a cheaper alternative (off brand) that they can give without having to contact the doctor.

total bill, over 3300bucks........

a friend of mine got bit by a racoon in canada, he ended up spending 150bucks total for his care.......thats without any privat insurance...........

The price of healthcare has inflated a lot in the past few years. Honestly, I don't know why but I suspect it has to do with three things: corruption, lawsuits, and equipment. I don't think the solution here is a federal healthcare system--we already have that (Medicare/Medicaid) and it ain't doing that great. What we need is more regulation and competition. I wonder how much healthcare costs would be reduced if hospitals and clinics had to "bid" for your service. That is, they would have to establish prices and publish it. So you know, before walking into the clinic, that an animal bite will cost you, say, $100. They are then fixed to that price and can't inflate or deflate it. That is fundamentally what is missing in the current system--it's all hush, hush, and stab you in the back with an unfair charge. "Fair," hasn't been established in the USA and that is the fundamental issue with the system. Address that and the prices are likely to plummet.

why is a cheaper to get the exect same drugs in canada or mexico (the real ones i mean) then it is to get them in the states?

They buy in bulk and make sure they get a fair rate when they do. Again, pharmacies, just like hospitals, tend to inflate prices due to lack of transparency and price-fixing.


The fundamental flaw in our current healthcare system is they are NEVER up-front about the costs. If you knew how much having a professional patch it up would cost you up-front, you could make a sound decision as to whether or not to treat it there or by yourself. It's like repairing computers. Some people get involved in computers because it is much cheaper to service a computer yourself than have someone else fix it. That, or just deal with whatever problems it has and get by.

 

[mdm-adph]

I can't believe this thread is still going on - seriously... why?

It's a time honored tradition of complaining about things on the internet. I do think this thread needs to be closed whenever the US election is over, though, if just to prevent the inevitable ill moods that are surely going to happen.

 

[Rammsteiner]

He doesn't want to "engage" Russia but he knows they are fully capable of doing somethings we won't like. We have to keep one eye on them and one eye on the rest of the world. Despite being in a weakened economic state, they still have a lot of influence over the middle-east especially.

With 'engage' I ment interfere in the situation. He did not want Russia 'to get away' with this, be it diplomaticly or by assault. Although he seems to forget USA did what they accuse Russia of since Georgie did the first wrong moves but well.

And yes, Russia is very strong. But keeping an eye on them? What for? Thus far USA is once again being the biggest threat in an eventual Russia-USA confrontation by deploying that stupid missile defence system. Also by supporting 'hostiles' from Russian friendly countries ain't the smartest thing to do either.

Also Russia ain't the best friend with the entire Middle-East, although I think the Middle-East wouldnt hassle a second to chose Russia over USA to support.

McCain never said he wanted to "wipe off" anyone. I think you are confusing McCain for Ahmadinejad. :shadedshu

No, Im not confusing McCain for Ahmadinejad. Apart from the holocaust denial, I do like him a 100 time more than the nutfuck Bush or McCain, and he did wanted to wipe-off N-Korea. Now they're off the blacklist though, but that only happened like 2 weeks after McCain's words though.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

What for?

The fact they are about the only competitive force in regards to aircraft and missile design. They also have an enormous stockpile of WMDs that they are keen on selling. Remember, we're paying Russia to dismantle their nuclear weapons.

Thus far USA is once again being the biggest threat in an eventual Russia-USA confrontation by deploying that stupid missile defence system.

There's nothing wrong with defense systems. How is it wrong to protect yourself?

...he did wanted to wipe-off N-Korea. Now they're off the blacklist though, but that only happened like 2 weeks after McCain's words though.

Cite a source. I certainly can't find one.


Just because Georgia was trash talking Russia doesn't give Russia the right to intervene. Chavez trash talks USA all the time and we haven't attacked him in force yet.


Palin's future causes Republican rift
I found this line hilarious: 'If GOP loses, it will face its biggest identity crisis in years."

 

[Tatty_Two]

Because it's fun to load & fire a weapon and have at it. Also guns happen to be great tools for hunting.

Strange, I thought there was enough food in your supermarkets Seriously, hunting is great, sadly, for most of my life I have hunted people but it is not, I beleive the basis or excuse to leagalise weapons, we have huntiing in the UK, we use rifles but as you know, we dont have the same legislation as you.

 

[Bigjohn]

It's a time honored tradition of complaining about things on the internet. I do think this thread needs to be closed whenever the US election is over, though, if just to prevent the inevitable ill moods that are surely going to happen.

I will promise one thing - I know the "electorate" that favors Obama very well. Either way the voting goes, come Tuesday night / Wednesday, there will be rioting.

 

[thoughtdisorder]

I will promise one thing - I know the "electorate" that favors Obama very well. Either way the voting goes, come Tuesday night / Wednesday, there will be rioting.

What exactly is your point there? Please expound........

 

[Bigjohn]

What exactly is your point there? Please expound........

My point is that the "entitlement class" have no respect for other peoples property or things.
If Obama wins, they'll rip through the metro areas like post superbowl partiers. If obama looses, they'll cry FRAUD (even though they're party is implicated in all the current voting scandals -- ACORN) and tear through the street destroying property in protest...

 

[Tatty_Two]

McCain may be willing to die for his country, but I as a citizen would not die for this country in that state that its in. Why? Because I believe in whats Just, and what the U.S. has been doing for quite sometime is a little off that path. The only thing I'd admire now is change.

Who says he is willing to die for his country?.....ohhhhh he does, so that counts then? Talk is cheap, in my experience, 9.99999 out of 10 spout that bull and are the first to run a mile when they have a bullet with their name on it coming their way, there is an old saying in the British Army, cant say that it means anything in relation to your army, but that saying goes something like this......

"The first to get you into a fight are usually the first to run away from the fight, the first to offer to die for their country, their comrade or their beliefs, are usually the first to turn their back on them when the going gets tough".......you see, it's the "unspoken" word that counts, someone who REALLY is prepared to die for their country, does not need to keep telling everybody because the more people they tell, the less the people beleive them.

I vote Blair gains US citizenship and runs for President as an independant next time around!

 

[mdm-adph]

My point is that the "entitlement class" have no respect for other peoples property or things.
If Obama wins, they'll rip through the metro areas like post superbowl partiers. If obama looses, they'll cry FRAUD (even though they're party is implicated in all the current voting scandals -- ACORN) and tear through the street destroying property in protest...

Yeah, well I'm calling your bullshit, either way. The only rioting that may happen is if people are prevented from voting in the first place, but afterwards, everybody's going to just go on living their lives, business as usual.

EDIT: And ACORN has nothing to do with election results, just election registrations. You can register Mickey Mouse as many times as you want -- he's not going to actually vote. The only scandals are going to be in places like Florida or OH that are real close -- one has a Democrat controlling it, one has a Republican. It's not political.

 

[Bigjohn]

Gee, register bob smith at 12 diffrent park benches in Ohio, in 4 different precincts, where they have NO ID REQUIREMENT, and how do you think Registration will differer from Fraudulent votes??

 

[wiak]

Ackerman for president!
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42084.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42085.html
Obama Girl backs Ackerman 2008 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqce1T3cOBA

 

[mdm-adph]

Gee, register bob smith at 12 diffrent park benches in Ohio, in 4 different precincts, where they have NO ID REQUIREMENT, and how do you think Registration will differer from Fraudulent votes??

I'm pretty sure it'll all even out in the end, what with the electronic voting machines that register Republican votes if a user picks Democrat and all that mess.

 

[Bigjohn]

I'm pretty sure it'll all even out in the end, what with the electronic voting machines that register Republican votes if a user picks Democrat and all that mess.

Yeah, we only wish that were true.

Here's a take on an early attempt at socialism in the US...
http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/28/will-thanksgiving-2008-be-the-last/#more-11535