Why are people still buying 1050TI's and not RX 570's?

[lexluthermiester]

Dual slot isnt beefy and reasonable. Trislot cooling is beefy.

Remember when the following single-slot card had a cooler that was considered beefy?
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/rare-gpus-unreleased-gpus.176929/post-3992972

 

[eidairaman1]

Remember when the following single-slot card had a cooler that was considered beefy?
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/rare-gpus-unreleased-gpus.176929/post-3992972

I put an Arctic Cooling VGA silencer on my Radeon 9700 Pro All In Wonder.

Look at My card now lol.

 

[RealNeil]

My two Vega-64 cards are Beefy,.......LOL!

 

[cucker tarlson]

And the 570 does Crossfire too.

Another good point!

crossfire ? on rx570s ? really ?

both 570 cf and 2060 cost around $350

 

[lexluthermiester]

crossfire ? on rx570s ? really ?

both 570 cf and 2060 cost around $350

True. What if you already have an RX570 and a crossfire mobo? Getting another 570 would be simple.

 

[cucker tarlson]

True. What if you already have an RX570 and a crossfire mobo? Getting another 570 would be simple.

you sell it,lol,are you asking me to describe the process of upgrading a graphics cards in detail?
it would be stupid,not simple.
if you buy another 570 instead of a 1070ti/Vega/2060 you are a stupid,stupid man.

 

[lexluthermiester]

you sell it,lol,are you asking me to describe the process of upgrading a graphics cards in detail?
it would be stupid,not simple.

Crossfire is arguably better than SLI and is dead simple to setup. Why would it be stupid?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Crossfire is arguably better than SLI and is dead simple to setup. Why would it be stupid?

give it up,that's ridiculous when a single card can offer close to 2x the performance at the same cost and less than half power draw.
cf sucks too.can you link any test where it's proving any more relevant than sli or are you going to brainlessly continue repeating what the red fanbase says ?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1763-radeon-rx-590-crossfire/

Spoiler: 1.37x scaling

Spoiler: 2x$280 cards slower than a single $500 card

Spoiler: power draw

Three years later we find that once again multi-GPU technology seems like a good idea on paper, but in practice it’s a bit of a fail. In our opinion SLI/Crossfire only makes sense for those with money to burn. For example, right now RTX 2080 Ti SLI graphics cards are about the only multi-GPU configuration that makes sense.

As for the RX 590s in Crossfire, we’d much rather have a single Vega 64 graphics card. It’s extremely rare that two 590s will provide higher frame rates than a single Vega 64, while also offering stutter-free gaming.

quit pleasing people who created this thread,use your own thinking maybe.

worse performance,stutter,higer power draw and noise - that sounds exceptionally well.makes me wanna grab a pair of V56 myself.

and just to be clear,nvidia offers a much wider sli support for games.

 

[lexluthermiester]

give it up,that's ridiculous when a single card can offer close to 2x the performance at the same cost and less than half power draw.

Those are some interesting numbers and they are just as equally irrelevant as they are not all inclusive. They also have nothing to do with the context of the upgrade scenario I referred to. If someone already has an RX570 and can easily add another one to their system, the upgrade path is not difficult to figure out. It's inexpensive and will add a noticeable boost to gaming performance.

quit pleasing people who created this thread,use your own thinking maybe.

Thanks for the tip. Try to remind yourself I'm an NVidia owner..

worse performance

Compared to what? You go from one card to two and the vast majority of games are going to get a healthy boost. I have personally seen this many times.

stutter

Solved with a driver optimization and update, just like NVidia's SLI.

higer power draw and noise

Of course, you're adding a second card.

makes me wanna grab a pair of V56 myself.

That's not much of a point, two Vega56's will out-pace a lot of single cards at similar cost.

and just to be clear,nvidia offers a much wider sli support for games.

Wider, perhaps, not better. Crossfire support, as I understand it, is easy for devs to intigrate into their games because AMD has made the tools easy to use. Crossfire is also easier to use even with games that don't specifically support it, unlike SLI.

 

[Vayra86]

give it up,that's ridiculous when a single card can offer close to 2x the performance at the same cost and less than half power draw.
cf sucks too.can you link any test where it's proving any more relevant than sli or are you going to brainlessly continue repeating what the red fanbase says ?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1763-radeon-rx-590-crossfire/

Spoiler: 1.37x scaling

Spoiler: 2x$280 cards slower than a single $500 card

Spoiler: power draw

quit pleasing people who created this thread,use your own thinking maybe.

worse performance,stutter,higer power draw and noise - that sounds exceptionally well.makes me wanna grab a pair of V56 myself.

and just to be clear,nvidia offers a much wider sli support for games.

Hey if people still want to go big on CF/SLI in 2019, power to them. If they fail at reading the numbers, posting more of them won't make a difference Also, be wary when the Lex starts multi quoting every single sentence of a post, or better yet: run away fast!

 

[cucker tarlson]

Those are some interesting numbers and they are just as equally irrelevant as they are not all inclusive. They also have nothing to do with the context of the upgrade scenario I referred to. If someone already has an RX570 and can easily add another one to their system, the upgrade path is not difficult to figure out. It's inexpensive and will add a noticeable boost to gaming performance.

Thanks for the tip. Try to remind yourself I'm an NVidia owner..

Compared to what? You go from one card to two and the vast majority of games are going to get a healthy boost. I have personally seen this.

Solved with a driver optimization and update, just like NVidia's SLI.

Of course, you're adding a second card.

That's not much of a point, two Vega56's will out-pace a lot of single cards at similar cost.

Wider, perhaps, not better. Crossfire support, as I understand it, is easy for devs to intigrate into their games because AMD has made the tools easy to use. Crossfire is also easier to use even with games that don't specifically support it, unlike SLI.

god damn,you are very meticulous in making sure your commentary is not read backwards,I'll give you that one.
stutter solved,great,I guess it's no longer an issue.
and what good is wider sli support when you can have 100% cf scaling in a few games.play them only,another problem solved by amd's masterful thinking.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Also, be wary when the Lex starts multi quoting every single sentence of a post, or better yet: run away fast!

 

[RealNeil]

I'm already heavily invested in SLI & Crossfire. My GPUs are already in sets or pairs. Wherever /whenever it works in a game, I'm all for it. If it is not enabled, I'll get over it. I still have decent performance when just one card works in a game. (Vega-64, 1070Ti, 1080Ti)
My original comment about Crossfire was just pointing out that AMD is still supporting dual card use on lower-priced GPUs, making it a lesser investment, should we choose to go down that path.

NVIDIA is gimping SLI on low (and now mid-range cards) ensuring that SLI costs are that much higher. I see it as a money-grab.

I'm into shooters and those games tend to support SLI/CROSSFIRE more often than not.

Tell me that it's not worth it. I don't care because I'm already there and happy with it.

 

[FYFI13]

Hey if people still want to go big on CF/SLI in 2019, power to them. If they fail at reading the numbers, posting more of them won't make a difference Also, be wary when the Lex starts multi quoting every single sentence of a post, or better yet: run away fast!

I can't see his post, but i got you Troll of trolls and AMD shill.

stutter solved,great,I guess it's no longer an issue.

Depends on tittle. Wow, Diablo 3, Crysis 3 and few others still stutter. Haven't done more testing, but this dual Vega 56 setup i built didn't look great.

 

[Redwoodz]

The numbers are the numbers. Arguing about images, phases of the moon, mindshare and other factors is fruitless. Yes,, when a project diminates, they benefit from mindshare ... but that just doesn't happen, you have to earn it. As "educated consumers", we should be beynd that. When you pick up the Wheaties box, the person on the cover is the one who won the gold medal. And when you pick a PC related magazine, the cover belongs to nVidia because the press, web based and print, likes to write about the exciting stuff because it sells more ads. The 1080 Ti took the Gold, the 1080 the silver, the 1070 the bronze, the 1060 just missed a medal, but it finished ahead of everything against it. The idea of tech mags and sites is to get articles read. What they prnt has to do with answrering the questions a) Will they send me a sample and b) who will read in. Only one of those is a judgement call. There is one 570 review here on TP ... there's 4 on the 1050 Ti,

The 570 was the better card but the choice between the 570 and 1050 Ti ***today*** is like arguing about what's better Betmax or VHS. Prices on the 1060 3 GB have dropped to a point where it makes no sense to consider either of them. It's one of those cards kike the 970 where the 960 and it's competion were just left in the dust such that the 970 sold more than all 20+ AMD 200 and 300 series cards combined. The TX 570 is $150 and no it doesn't make sense to spend an extra $20 for the Ti ($170). From a performance stabdpoint, it would make sense to buy the 570 is it was $20 more ... the problem for AMD is, it also makes sense to spend the extra $20 to get the 1060 3GB for $190 A $1000 build w/o a GFX card presents the following Performance / proce ratio:

1050 Ti Build = $1170 / 67.8 = $17.26
RX 570 = $1150 / 97.6 = $11.78
1060 3GB Build = $1195 /104.8 = $11.41

So while there is a huge jump in value per dollar getting the 570 over the Ti, what abandon your evalauation methods / logic and not the 1060 3 GB. None of these cards are adequate for 1440p and at 1080p, the 1060 has the best ROI. But there are other things to think about besides performance. Let's look at some other factors:

Criteria: 1060 / 570 / 1050 Ti

Fan Noise Idle: 0 / 0 / 0 dba
Fan Noise Load: 29 / 31 / 27 dba
Power: 130 / 180 / 75 watts
Temps @ OC: 67 / 74 / 66C

Anything there that might swing a decision ? How about the guy with PSU that doesn't have PCI-E cables and can't use a card that is over 75 watts ? It shouldn't be about hand picking two cards and using a limited scenario; this is what Purch Group does on their media sites to pick "best card under ... [$1 more than the price of the product they been paid to generate interest for]. If we look at the $150-$200 price range and pick the best GPU for 1080P, it's clearly the RX 580 8GB.

Fixed that for you since you spent so much time with all those metrics, be a shame to give people the wrong advice. 1060 3GB < RX 580 8GB

 

[eidairaman1]

I can't see his post, but i got you Troll of trolls and AMD shill.


Depends on tittle. Wow, Diablo 3, Crysis 3 and few others still stutter. Haven't done more testing, but this dual Vega 56 setup i built didn't look great.

Ehem he has a 2070/2080...

Fixed that for you since you spent so much time with all those metrics, be a shame to give people the wrong advice. 1060 3GB < RX 580 8GB

 

[Vayra86]

I can't see his post, but i got you Troll of trolls and AMD shill.


Depends on tittle. Wow, Diablo 3, Crysis 3 and few others still stutter. Haven't done more testing, but this dual Vega 56 setup i built didn't look great.

Ehem he has a 2070/2080...

*1080. Guess that happens when you're watching the world from your neck

 

[eidairaman1]

*1080. Guess that happens when you're watching the world from your neck

I was talking about @lexluthermiester ster

He has a 2080 to be exact

 

[fritoking]

I know youd need an adapter, but is this a good deal? It's a mining card but shouldn't it still play games ? $99
Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4GB GDDR5 DVI-D (UEFI) Graphics Card https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MCDNQX2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GyYCCbZZ2MGX2

 

[lexluthermiester]

*1080. Guess that happens when you're watching the world from your neck

Had a 1080. Sold it for..

I was talking about @lexluthermiester He has a 2080 to be exact

..this;
EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 BLACK EDITION
https://www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=10A3582D-8461-4B9F-825E-CCD4B0E7B151

I know youd need an adapter, but is this a good deal? It's a mining card but shouldn't it still play games ? $99
Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4GB GDDR5 DVI-D (UEFI) Graphics Card https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MCDNQX2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GyYCCbZZ2MGX2

That's a great price for that card. However, look at the shipping time. It states that it "Usually ships within one to two months". That's a hell of a wait time.
You'd be better off with something like this;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-OC-8GB-GDDR5-256-bit-Video-Card/254138972252
8GB versions are better.

 

[Caring1]

However the overwhelming amount of benchmarking and testing do make it a fact. The RX570 outperforms the 1050ti handily. That is a fact. Whether he says it, W1zzard says it or I say it, the numbers prove it.

No it isn't. Power consumption is a metric that stands by itself and has nothing to do with performance. And if you think that the amount of power used by the RX570 over the 1050ti is going to hurt someones power bill, you need to go do some research.

Looks like you are the one that needs to do a lot of research.
Don't confuse performance with higher frame rates, and don't draw other people down to your level of ignorance.
If the person I quoted was simply saying one card is faster, ie has more FPS then I would agree with them, but they didn't.
Performance is not just speed.

 

[fritoking]

Had a 1080. Sold it for..

..this;
https://www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=10A3582D-8461-4B9F-825E-CCD4B0E7B151


That's a great price that card. However, look at the shipping time. It states that it "Usually ships within one to two months". That's a hell of a wait time.
You'd be better off with something like this;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-OC-8GB-GDDR5-256-bit-Video-Card/254138972252
8GB versions are better.

I have an 8 GB 570. just thought it might be a good buy for someone....didnt notice the shipping time tho

 

[lexluthermiester]

Don't confuse performance with higher frame rates

That is exactly what performance means. Frame rates are the defacto measurement of gaming performance. It's been that way for 30 years and will continue to be that way.

and don't draw other people down to your level of ignorance.

Irony.

If the person I quoted was simply saying one card is faster, ie has more FPS then I would agree with them, but they didn't.

When people talk about the performance of a card, in this case the difference between an RX570 and a 1050ti, they are talking about gaming performance in frames per second, not power efficiency. If they were talking about mining performance, then it's hashes per second. Regardless of the task being discussed, ultimately the calculations per second that a GPU can output are what matter most to people.

Performance is not just speed.

Yes, it is.

I have an 8 GB 570. just thought it might be a good buy for someone....didnt notice the shipping time tho

That's cool. That ebay listing I linked for you is just under $125 shipped. It's a good deal. There's also this one for $130;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-RX-570-ARMOR-OC-8GB-GDDR5-Graphics-Card-256-bit/223372624935
By way of reference, there are a few RX580's for similar prices as well;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-RX-580-Gaming-X-8GB-256-bit-GDDR5-Graphics-Card/312500876829
$129 Shipped
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-RADEON...-GDDR5-PCI-EXPRESS-X16-CROSSFIRE/233134874864
$140 shipped
Just food for thought..

 

[Keullo-e]

The prices are pretty funny in my favourite shop.

Cheapest RX 570 4GB: 229eur (Sapphire Pulse)
Cheapest RX 580 4GB: 175eur (Sapphire Pulse)
Cheapest RX 570 8GB: 239eur (MSI Armor)
Cheapest RX 580 8GB: 229eur (Gigabyte Aorus)

 

[lexluthermiester]

The prices are pretty funny in my favourite shop.

Cheapest RX 570 4GB: 229eur (Sapphire Pulse)
Cheapest RX 580 4GB: 175eur (Sapphire Pulse)
Cheapest RX 570 8GB: 239eur (MSI Armor)
Cheapest RX 580 8GB: 229eur (Gigabyte Aorus)

Those are weird prices for sure..