Why did we abandon hydrogen cars so quickly?

[TumbleGeorge]

infact im even gona waste ur time even more with more bullshit than you can handle
this is your little solar farm looks like. no sun to engergy.
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this it how it looks like after a heavy storm
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now whos going to pay for that? where ur going to get power from? dont forget wind turbines burn down. wear down. and can't turn on heavy wind need to be parked..
and all that junk is going to turn up to a landfile....

No government is going to say no to a power source that is effectively limitless, effectively free, and requires zero dependency on other nations.
you said place it in a desert where no one lives. that makes other nations DEPENDENT on OTHER Nations

It will be interesting for the colleague to be hired with a simple hand broom in the desert, sweeping dust and sand all day from the photovoltaics. For a low salary. Would he agree, just to keep his point about how nice it is to be "green" with panels and fins?

 

[KrazyT]

Back to the tpic, here's an article from BMW :
article in French
Quick resume :
In 2022, BMW will release a limited sale of BMW X5 hydrogen based.
The hydrogen strategy will grow in 2025. They will work with Toyota to improve Fuel Cell Motor

 

[Space Lynx]

Back to the tpic, here's an article from BMW :
article in French
Quick resume :
In 2022, BMW will release a limited sale of BMW X5 hydrogen based.
The hydrogen strategy will grow in 2025. They will work with Toyota to improve Fuel Cell Motor
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Interesting, I knew Honda was working with Sony, but didn't know Toyota had teamed up with someone as well.

 

[KrazyT]

Yes, Toyota and BMW are working together on some project, since many years ...
The first Mini (owned by BMW) diesel version had a Toyota motor, the same as the Yaris Diesel.
When the Diesel starts to fade in popularity in EU, and regulation became harder, Toyota didn't introduce new diesel engine. (exept for the Land Cruiser and Hilux)
Instead, they've picked some 2.0 and 1.6 inline 4 from BMW, 112 and 143 hp. You can find them in Avensis, Auris, RAV4 ...
Now, everybody's know that the new Supra is a BMW Z4 clone

 

[AusWolf]

Back to the tpic, here's an article from BMW :
article in French
Quick resume :
In 2022, BMW will release a limited sale of BMW X5 hydrogen based.
The hydrogen strategy will grow in 2025. They will work with Toyota to improve Fuel Cell Motor
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This is especially interesting because BMW already has a bunch of electric vehicles on the market. The fact that they're investing in hydrogen anyway says to me that the technology has more meirt than we would believe.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

This is especially interesting because BMW already has a bunch of electric vehicles on the market. The fact that they're investing in hydrogen anyway says to me that the technology has more meirt than we would believe.

Hmmm, I rather suspect that it is about absorbing some unreasonably distributed grant subsidies along the lines of European green policies.

 

[Norton]

Topic is regarding hydrogen power and its presence or absence in vehicles for the future. If you want to start a thread discussing lithium batteries or anything else unrelated to the OP then go for it.

 

[Bomby569]

My head is still spinning. Seems like we took a train from London to Paris to get to reach the final destination in Liverpool. just use hydrogen.

 

[Space Lynx]

My head is still spinning. Seems like we took a train from London to Paris to get to reach the final destination in Liverpool. just use hydrogen.

I did watch this in full, and i have to say it doesn't make much sense, considering they are making hydrogen at one point of the process... I guess I kind of understand it... maybe if you scaled it up you could make it cheap without needing a whole new car design and living side by side with regular gas. its a neat idea from a strategic perspective, but only if it can be scaled up.

I am kind of with you on this one though, if you are making hydrogen just stop there... already plenty of vehicles use hydrogen including flying planes

 

[bobbybluz]

My head is still spinning. Seems like we took a train from London to Paris to get to reach the final destination in Liverpool. just use hydrogen.

An ex-roomies son is a writer for Donut Media. He really doesn't know much about cars.

 

[KrazyT]

I think is just a smart move from Porsche, and a way to not loose their customers.
They're saying :
"Don't worry dude, you can still buy new brand 911, and use it in the future, like your old one.
We're working on synthetic fuel, the value of your car won't fall !"

 

[Bomby569]

I think is just a smart move from Porsche, and a way to not loose their customers.
They're saying :
"Don't worry dude, you can still buy new brand 911, and use it in the future, like your old one.
We're working on synthetic fuel, the value of your car won't fall !"

i think that's the problem with most of the car companies, their problem with still needing to sell old tech to survive. Porsche makes a good EV already, they should look into the future, not hold on to the past.
They will never make the final push unless someone forces them to do it.

Just like the with the catalytic converter, as soon as someone puts a barrier in front of them, the "next day" they will solve all these unsolvable problems that stops them from moving away from fossil fuels.
Tesla pushed the EV almost on their own, and we could have hydrogen cars or something else if someone had already forced them to do it.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

i think that's the problem with most of the car companies, their problem with still needing to sell old tech to survive. Porsche makes a good EV already, they should look into the future, not hold on to the past.
They will never make the final push unless someone forces them to do it.

Just like the with the catalytic converter, as soon as someone puts a barrier in front of them, the "next day" they will solve all these unsolvable problems that stops them from moving away from fossil fuels.
Tesla pushed the EV almost on their own, and we could have hydrogen cars or something else if someone had already forced them to do it.

Tesla succeeded in creating a status symbol. The tech was already developed for viable BEVs. One can't as easily say that for hydrogen.

 

[Bomby569]

Tesla succeeded in creating a status symbol. The tech was already developed for viable BEVs. One can't as easily say that for hydrogen.

Hydrogen isn't as sexier as ev's, that's the truth. It has problems but so does EV's.
I'm not sure but that big loan Musk got for the US couldn't even be for hydrogen cars, could it? Charging stations is the same, way before Tesla was a thing we already had charging stations for EV's near me, i never seen a hydrogen charging station in the wild myself.

Wasn't the status symbol route the only one to take to be honest? rich educated people with disposable income are more likely to overspend on a new unproven EV. Tesla couldn't compete on low cost, mass market EV's, they didn't have the capacity or even know how to do it. They still struggle with it.