Why i'm boycotting corsair (iCue 4.x)

GerKNG · Mar 24, 2021

3.x and 4.x are different kinds of software.

my brand new h150i Pro XT (the latest AIO the make) is not supported in 4.X

and why the hell do you guys use iCue at all?

Install the software, make a profile (like Pump and Fan Speed) save it to the AIO and uninstall this crap.

TheLostSwede · Mar 24, 2021

GerKNG said:
3.x and 4.x are different kinds of software.

my brand new h150i Pro XT (the latest AIO the make) is not supported in 4.X

and why the hell do you guys use iCue at all?

Install the software, make a profile (like Pump and Fan Speed) save it to the AIO and uninstall this crap.

Because, you know, it's the only way my headset works...

GerKNG · Mar 24, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Because, you know, it's the only way my headset works...

okay. that's new to me. i only have keyboards, mice and AIOs from Corsair. (and RAM)

that's not cool...

sneekypeet · Mar 24, 2021

GerKNG said:
my brand new h150i Pro XT (the latest AIO the make) is not supported in 4.X

Did you actually try?
I find it odd that the RGB model is fully supported in their list, but w/o RGB you have to piss off?

Honestly interested. As a reviewer, I would like to know.

PRO XT Series Coolers: H100i RGB PRO XT, H115i RGB PRO XT, H150i RGB PRO XT, H60i RGB PRO XT

TheLostSwede · Mar 24, 2021

GerKNG said:
okay. that's new to me. i only have keyboards, mice and AIOs from Corsair. (and RAM)

that's not cool...

Well, the driver is part of iCue so...

hat · Mar 24, 2021

Just another reason not to like RGB. You need bloaty software to control it, and God help you if you have an MSI motherboard, Gigabyte graphics card, Corsair ram, Thermaltake fans, and so on... I'm not a fan of bloaty software to control simple things. Hell, I don't even like running Afterburner all the time to control my graphics cards, but I have no choice. I used to mod my own vBIOS with NiBiTor. The most recent card I had that I could do this with was the 660Ti. Now we're locked out of BIOS modding, at least with Nvidia cards, since Pascal.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

hat said:
Just another reason not to like RGB. You need bloaty software to control it, and God help you if you have an MSI motherboard, Gigabyte graphics card, Corsair ram, Thermaltake fans, and so on... I'm not a fan of bloaty software to control simple things. Hell, I don't even like running Afterburner all the time to control my graphics cards, but I have no choice. I used to mod my own vBIOS with NiBiTor. The most recent card I had that I could do this with was the 660Ti. Now we're locked out of BIOS modding, at least with Nvidia cards, since Pascal.

Agreed. I apply all my RGB then uninstall any unnecessary RGB software. Not uninstalling Armoury Crate as I need it for firmware updates and to change static lighting once in a while. But everything else is gone.

If only RGB was standardized.

Bill_Bright · Mar 24, 2021

I don't like RGB because it does nothing for performance, consumes some energy, generates some heat and does nothing for performance (worth repeating). What's happening on my monitors is what's important to me. I expect my cases to sit quietly and discreetly off to the side and not draw distracting attention towards them.

I mean, yes, they are pretty but after the first 5 minutes, meh.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

I like it, but minimal. Not overblown. And static light. RGB on case fans is a sin.

GerKNG · Mar 24, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Well, the driver is part of iCue so...

yeah i understand.. that's absolute shit from corsair.

i am glad that i got rid of most of my stuff from them (after a leaking h150i pro xt)
i only have a mouse and a broken K95 left.

milewski1015 · Mar 24, 2021

Just further confirms my desire to not buy any Corsair products in the future. My Vengeance LPX kit is fine, but I don't need low profile memory, and wouldn't have purchased it if it wasn't such a good deal at the time (2x8 DDR4-3000 C15 on sale(!) for 124 USD back during the 2017/2018 crypto boom). My original kit started throwing memtest errors, and Corsair support was cool enough to approve an advanced RMA so I didn't end up without a system for a few days. That said, I get the impression they're trying way too hard to appeal to "GaMeRs" with the products they're releasing (Exhibit A) and given that their QC and/or design isn't anything special, I'm not going to go out of my way to give them my money.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

I'm glad my RM750x didn't fit so I could get a Seasonic PX-750 instead

mouacyk · Mar 24, 2021

Bill_Bright said:
I don't like RGB because it does nothing for performance, consumes some energy, generates some heat and does nothing for performance (worth repeating). What's happening on my monitors is what's important to me. I expect my cases to sit quietly and discreetly off to the side and not draw distracting attention towards them.

I mean, yes, they are pretty but after the first 5 minutes, meh.

Still rocking no RGB in 2021 here. What's there not to like? Cable clutter, more points/chances of electrical fires, buggy software, bloatware, malware, ...

bobbybluz · Mar 24, 2021

To me RGB is like having a baseball card in the spokes of a wheel on your bicycle when you were a kid. I find it totally useless. If it doesn't add performance it's a complete waste of time.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

What do you all mean RGB adds no performance? It gave me 50 more watts per second.

Bill_Bright · Mar 24, 2021

bobbybluz said:
To me RGB is like having a baseball card in the spokes of a wheel on your bicycle when you were a kid.

That would be a total waste and destruction of perfectly good baseball cards. A bunch of playing cards flapping in the spokes, on the other hand, was cool!

thesmokingman · Mar 24, 2021

I stopped buying corsair a couple years back.

Bill_Bright · Mar 24, 2021

I've never had any issues with their RAM so if the price is right, I won't hesitate to buy some. Otherwise, I'll stick with EVGA or Seasonic PSUs. And for the last few years, we've gone with FD cases exclusively.

MxPhenom 216 · Mar 24, 2021

I have 2 sets of Lian Li's UNI SL120s fans just sitting here waiting for me to swap out all my corsair RGB fans for them. Only thing id have left that is Corsair is my RAM. Which will also probably be dumped later.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

Bill_Bright said:
I've never had any issues with their RAM so if the price is right, I won't hesitate to buy some. Otherwise, I'll stick with EVGA or Seasonic PSUs. And for the last few years, we've gone with FD cases exclusively.

This is my first Seasonic PSU and it has made such an impression of me that I'll probably not buy anything else. It just works for my situation. FD ION+ was great, but it sounded like it wanted to die every second.

RMx straight up didn't fit/was a pain to route.

Nothing Corsair in my build, prolly gonna stay that way.

Bill_Bright · Mar 24, 2021

Alexa said:
prolly gonna stay that way.

When dealing with big companies and corporations that manufacturer a wide variety of products, I have never boycotted the entire company because I was disappointed by one of their products. I have boycotted an entire company, however, if company policies pi$$ed me off.

Deleted member 205776 · Mar 24, 2021

Eh, I just meant nothing in their product stack really attracts me, not a full on boycott. Especially not their PSUs after the g r e a t e x p e r i e n c e s I had with them, and that Vengeance LPX RAM. The CX 650 was alright though.

Mussels · Mar 25, 2021

The icue 4.x thread on the corsair forums has some great news

1. a bunch of older AIO watercoolers are discontinued as well (this locks them to the default speed profile)
2. You cant run the old corsair LINK with 4.x either, so even MORE devices that worked with 3.x have ceased working
3. It's still not compatible with HWinfo and requires you to disable sensors, if you have a commander pro

GerKNG said:
3.x and 4.x are different kinds of software.

my brand new h150i Pro XT (the latest AIO the make) is not supported in 4.X

and why the hell do you guys use iCue at all?

Install the software, make a profile (like Pump and Fan Speed) save it to the AIO and uninstall this crap.

because 99% of corsair hardware doesn't work that way... you cant save hardware profiles to their AIO's or headsets, or even most of the keyboards

The headsets lose their equalizer (software only) drop to stereo sound instead of 5.1 dolby digital, RGB is forced on into rainbow spew (i turn it off for extra battery)
Keyboards can only have one set of static lighting saved to them, no animations (and very limited re-bindings or macros)
AIO's cant have anything other than one of the stock profiles saved to them - and they're based on antique intels so it sees my 5800x boost and just screams like a cicada at 300% fan speed

The RAM is the one exception where it had separate hardware and software lighting controls, if you used hardware it saved them and remembered them.

first post updated with the list of products they Effed off

bobbybluz · Mar 25, 2021

I used to buy a lot of Corsair RAM, PSU's, AIO's and cases. Now I buy G.Skill RAM, Seasonic PSU's, Arctic Freezer II AIO's and cheap used cases off Craigslist. The only things made by Corsair I want at the moment are used Vengeance C70 and Carbide 500R cases.

Mussels · Mar 25, 2021

I can tolerate corsair fans since i can wire their fan hub into standard ARGB, but from here on... nah.

They want you to replace all their products within a 4 year life cycle

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Video Card(s)	Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
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Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse	Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard	Corsair K70 Max
Software	Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v

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