• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Why I'm now an Apple fan...

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Mar 2, 2009
Messages
5,026 (1.55/day)
Likes
1,271
Processor Intel Core i7
Motherboard MSI P67
Cooling Cooler Master
Memory Kingston
Video Card(s) temporarily Palit (formerly Inno 3D)
Storage Seagate
Display(s) Acer 23"
Case Thermaltake
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply FSP 700W
Software Windows 7
[yt]FFhjDX-DUew[/yt]


The heretics can only resort to parodies to bash the Sacred Company. All hail the Holy Apple!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Nov 26, 2004
Messages
4,419 (0.92/day)
Likes
1,538
Location
Canuck in Norway
System Name Hellbox 3.0(same case new guts)
Processor i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mark 1
Cooling TT Kandalf L.C.S.(Water/Air)AC Cuplex Kryos CPU Block/Noctua
Memory 2x8GB Corsair Vengance Pro 2400
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X Fury (Unlocked to Fury X)
Storage WD Caviar Black SATA 3 1TB x2 RAID 0 2xSamsung 850 Evo 500GB RAID 0 1TB WD Blue
Display(s) ASUS MG279Q 1440 IPS 144Hz FreeSync
Case TT Kandalf L.C.S.
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster ZX/Logitech Z906 5.1
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050W 80+ Gold
Mouse G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard G19s
Software Win 10 Pro x64
LoL I watched that one yesterday actually. I mean I like my iPhone alot but hold no genuine brand loyalty at all.
 

NHKS

New Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
596 (0.26/day)
Likes
375
Last edited:

Fourstaff

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
9,382 (3.15/day)
Likes
2,103
Location
Home
System Name Asus K50-X5DAB \\ Orange!
Processor Athlon QL-65 2.2Ghz \\ 3570K
Motherboard Laptop \\ ASRock z77 Extreme4
Cooling Laptop \\ H100i
Memory 1x1GB + 1X2GB \\ 2x4Gb 1600Mhz CL9 Corsair XMS3
Video Card(s) Mobility Radeon HD4570 512mb \\ Zotac 660Ti OC 2Gb
Storage 250Gb \\ Samsung 840 250Gb + Toshiba DT01ACA300 3Tb
Display(s) 15.6" 1366x768 \\ LG 22EA53VQ
Case Laptop Chassis \\ NZXT Phantom 410 Black/Orange
Power Supply Power Brick \\ Corsair CXM500w
these valued 'brands' make great products no doubt but at what cost?
£480 for SGS III and £499 for iPhone 4S. A bit pricey but I am sure a lot of people can afford, especially if they buy the phone with a contract.
 
Joined
Nov 26, 2004
Messages
4,419 (0.92/day)
Likes
1,538
Location
Canuck in Norway
System Name Hellbox 3.0(same case new guts)
Processor i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mark 1
Cooling TT Kandalf L.C.S.(Water/Air)AC Cuplex Kryos CPU Block/Noctua
Memory 2x8GB Corsair Vengance Pro 2400
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X Fury (Unlocked to Fury X)
Storage WD Caviar Black SATA 3 1TB x2 RAID 0 2xSamsung 850 Evo 500GB RAID 0 1TB WD Blue
Display(s) ASUS MG279Q 1440 IPS 144Hz FreeSync
Case TT Kandalf L.C.S.
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster ZX/Logitech Z906 5.1
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050W 80+ Gold
Mouse G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard G19s
Software Win 10 Pro x64
£480 for SGS III and £499 for iPhone 4S. A bit pricey but I am sure a lot of people can afford, especially if they buy the phone with a contract.
There really isn't alot between them is there price wise? Other than the S III is brand new

Never looked to be honest I got offered a cheaper plan not that long ago so I am "locked in" until next spring I figure. So by then iPhone 5 "hoopla" should have well died down, can get them cheaper on a new plan if I decide to "stay the course" Plenty of time for somebody to woo me away from my "walled garden" I have obliviously just accepted :p
 

Fourstaff

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
9,382 (3.15/day)
Likes
2,103
Location
Home
System Name Asus K50-X5DAB \\ Orange!
Processor Athlon QL-65 2.2Ghz \\ 3570K
Motherboard Laptop \\ ASRock z77 Extreme4
Cooling Laptop \\ H100i
Memory 1x1GB + 1X2GB \\ 2x4Gb 1600Mhz CL9 Corsair XMS3
Video Card(s) Mobility Radeon HD4570 512mb \\ Zotac 660Ti OC 2Gb
Storage 250Gb \\ Samsung 840 250Gb + Toshiba DT01ACA300 3Tb
Display(s) 15.6" 1366x768 \\ LG 22EA53VQ
Case Laptop Chassis \\ NZXT Phantom 410 Black/Orange
Power Supply Power Brick \\ Corsair CXM500w
There really isn't alot between them is there price wise? Other than the S III is brand new

Never looked to be honest I got offered a cheaper plan not that long ago so I am "locked in" until next spring I figure. So by then iPhone 5 "hoopla" should have well died down, can get them cheaper on a new plan if I decide to "stay the course" Plenty of time for somebody to woo me away from my "walled garden" I have obliviously just accepted :p
Samsung/Android/antiApple will tell you that SGSIII has a faster processor, blablabla etcetcetc. iPhone 4S user will tell you that iOS is better blablabla etcetcetc. Both of them have their points, so at the end of the day you pick which one you like better.

Are you nationalist enough to buy the iPhone 4S (hurrdurr meriken company) or do you support the hallowing out of US's industry by buying SGSIII? Please don't reply to this question, its not going to be pretty.
 
Joined
Dec 4, 2010
Messages
428 (0.16/day)
Likes
213
Processor X5650 @3,7 Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte Ga-EX58-UD5
Cooling Cogage True Spirit
Memory 2x8 GB Kingston HyperX Fury 1866 CL10
Video Card(s) Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 1070
Storage 250Gb MX100 SSD+1TB WD Green
Display(s) QNIX QX2710 2560x1440 27" PLS 96Hz
Case NZXT Tempest
Power Supply Corsair RM750 750w 80 Plus Gold Modular
Keyboard Logitech K120
Software Win 10 Home 64 bits
Joined
Nov 26, 2004
Messages
4,419 (0.92/day)
Likes
1,538
Location
Canuck in Norway
System Name Hellbox 3.0(same case new guts)
Processor i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mark 1
Cooling TT Kandalf L.C.S.(Water/Air)AC Cuplex Kryos CPU Block/Noctua
Memory 2x8GB Corsair Vengance Pro 2400
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X Fury (Unlocked to Fury X)
Storage WD Caviar Black SATA 3 1TB x2 RAID 0 2xSamsung 850 Evo 500GB RAID 0 1TB WD Blue
Display(s) ASUS MG279Q 1440 IPS 144Hz FreeSync
Case TT Kandalf L.C.S.
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster ZX/Logitech Z906 5.1
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050W 80+ Gold
Mouse G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard G19s
Software Win 10 Pro x64
Samsung/Android/antiApple will tell you that SGSIII has a faster processor, blablabla etcetcetc. iPhone 4S user will tell you that iOS is better blablabla etcetcetc. Both of them have their points, so at the end of the day you pick which one you like better.

Are you nationalist enough to buy the iPhone 4S (hurrdurr meriken company) or do you support the hallowing out of US's industry by buying SGSIII? Please don't reply to this question, its not going to be pretty.
Nope skipping the 4S same as skipped the 3GS. In the big picture to me it's just a "go faster stripe" I don't have any reason to say that I need my phone to do anything faster than it already does.

Here is an honest Android question(not gotten near it other than farting about with a friends phone etc) How is easy is it to "transfer" to a new phone?
I mean I "regularly" synch my phones with iTunes on my laptop to keep it backed up(not as much lately just can't be arsed) NEVER checked any special setting or options just plugged it in and Synched. Normally I do if there is an App update.

But when I switched from my 3G to my 4 I just plugged it into iTunes, It asked me something to the effect "Is this a new phone?" Off it went. The new 4 was EXACTLY as I had left my 3G didn't have to look for or move anything. Perfectly cloned and ready to use.

Where Does Android weigh in with that?
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
14,908 (3.43/day)
Likes
5,425
System Name A dancer in your disco of fire
Processor i3 4130 3.4Ghz
Motherboard MSI B85M-E45
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Memory 4 x 4GB Crucial Ballistix Sport 1400Mhz
Video Card(s) Asus GTX 760 DCU2OC 2GB
Storage Crucial BX100 120GB | WD Blue 1TB x 2
Display(s) BenQ GL2450HT
Case AeroCool DS Cube White
Power Supply Cooler Master G550M
Mouse Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Keyboard Dell SK-3205
Software Windows 10 Pro

NHKS

New Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2011
Messages
596 (0.26/day)
Likes
375
iPhone 5 is out, but so are the pranks!..


PS: this has nothing to do with apple hate, just for laughs
 
Last edited by a moderator:

newlife

New Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2012
Messages
112 (0.06/day)
Likes
30
Location
Adelaide, Australia
System Name O'Neill By Design
Processor i5-3570 not k 4.3ghz
Motherboard ASRock Z77 extreme 6
Cooling Coolermater V8
Memory Patriot G2 DDR3 1600mhz (Overclocked to 2200mhz)
Video Card(s) 2x GIGABYTE GTX 560(GV-N56GOC-1GI)
Storage 60GB Patriot Pyro SSD, 2TB WD Black
Display(s) An Aussie 40" Full HD Led Lcd(Samsang Panel)
Case Cooler Master HAF 932
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC898 onboard
Power Supply Corsair GS-600(yes it runs 2x gtx 560)
Benchmark Scores SuperPi:8.265sec, Pifast: 16.44, WPrime 32m 6.895sec, Unigine Heaven-basic preset : 2638.12, 3D Mark
The only thing i have to say about apple is what they did to samsung, which shows how evil apple you, dont forget apple lost the court cases at a huge cost to samsung and they were made to say sorry to samsung for it and basicly promote there product
 
Joined
Apr 2, 2011
Messages
2,443 (0.98/day)
Likes
1,868
Are you nationalist enough to buy the iPhone 4S (hurrdurr meriken company) or do you support the hallowing out of US's industry by buying SGSIII? Please don't reply to this question, its not going to be pretty.
WTF?

I understand hate for the US. Our international policies were and are written by morons that couldn't identify European countries if given a globe (to say nothing of South America or Asia). I know that the worst elements of our populous are what people around the world see. Just for a moment, put this into perspective. Europe has everything from cockney to zealots, just like the US. Assuming that there is some innate superiority is foolish. Ask a German, and they say the French are wine loving pussies. The British say the same, and add that Germans are anal engineers who can never make a decision. The french think everyone outside France is an unrefined animal unfit to be in their presence (all of this from personal experience).

Coming back around to the original topic; what are you trying to get at. Neither of these things is produced in the US. Apple designs might be focused in the US, with Samsung being a more global player. The unpleasant reality is that neither produces the product anywhere but China (though some parts come from either Japan or Taiwan as quality requires).


So no, you don't support the US or rebuke the US by choosing a phone. You kill a Chinese worker piece-meal by buying a phone. If you think anything else then you're missing the manufacturing part of production, and only focusing on development.
 
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Messages
12,597 (2.59/day)
Likes
5,993
Location
Europe\Slovenia
System Name Dark Silence 2
Processor Intel Core i7 5820K @ 4.5 GHz (1.15V)
Motherboard MSI X99A Gaming 7
Cooling Cooler Master Nepton 120XL
Memory 32 GB DDR4 Kingston HyperX Fury 2400 MHz @ 2666 MHz
Video Card(s) AORUS GeForce GTX 1080Ti 11GB (2000/11100)
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 2TB SSD (3D V-NAND)
Display(s) ASUS VG248QE 144Hz 1ms (DisplayPort)
Case Corsair Carbide 330R Titanium
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 + Altec Lansing MX5021 (HiFi capacitors and OPAMP upgrade)
Power Supply BeQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 750W
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard Cherry Stream XT Black
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Fall Creators Update)
iPhone 5 is out, but so are the pranks!..


PS: this has nothing to do with apple hate, just for laughs
How fuckin thick do you have to be, to say one works better, is faster, thinner and lighter WHILE YOU'RE HOLDING THE SAME ONE IN THE OTHER HAND. :banghead:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Nov 26, 2004
Messages
4,419 (0.92/day)
Likes
1,538
Location
Canuck in Norway
System Name Hellbox 3.0(same case new guts)
Processor i7 4790K
Motherboard Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mark 1
Cooling TT Kandalf L.C.S.(Water/Air)AC Cuplex Kryos CPU Block/Noctua
Memory 2x8GB Corsair Vengance Pro 2400
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X Fury (Unlocked to Fury X)
Storage WD Caviar Black SATA 3 1TB x2 RAID 0 2xSamsung 850 Evo 500GB RAID 0 1TB WD Blue
Display(s) ASUS MG279Q 1440 IPS 144Hz FreeSync
Case TT Kandalf L.C.S.
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster ZX/Logitech Z906 5.1
Power Supply Seasonic X-1050W 80+ Gold
Mouse G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard G19s
Software Win 10 Pro x64
How fuckin thick do you have to be, to say one works better, is faster, thinner and lighter WHILE YOU'RE HOLDING THE SAME ONE IN THE OTHER HAND. :banghead:
Yep was pretty shocking...
 

Fourstaff

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
9,382 (3.15/day)
Likes
2,103
Location
Home
System Name Asus K50-X5DAB \\ Orange!
Processor Athlon QL-65 2.2Ghz \\ 3570K
Motherboard Laptop \\ ASRock z77 Extreme4
Cooling Laptop \\ H100i
Memory 1x1GB + 1X2GB \\ 2x4Gb 1600Mhz CL9 Corsair XMS3
Video Card(s) Mobility Radeon HD4570 512mb \\ Zotac 660Ti OC 2Gb
Storage 250Gb \\ Samsung 840 250Gb + Toshiba DT01ACA300 3Tb
Display(s) 15.6" 1366x768 \\ LG 22EA53VQ
Case Laptop Chassis \\ NZXT Phantom 410 Black/Orange
Power Supply Power Brick \\ Corsair CXM500w
Coming back around to the original topic; what are you trying to get at. Neither of these things is produced in the US. Apple designs might be focused in the US, with Samsung being a more global player. The unpleasant reality is that neither produces the product anywhere but China (though some parts come from either Japan or Taiwan as quality requires).

So no, you don't support the US or rebuke the US by choosing a phone. You kill a Chinese worker piece-meal by buying a phone. If you think anything else then you're missing the manufacturing part of production, and only focusing on development.
And so you replied :banghead:

I don't have any problem with US in general, but there are some Americans who are diehard nationalists and will not touch Android, targets of this question. This is not some "omg Europe is so much better than America" etc. Sorry if you took offence.

The thing is, production is not a high profit industry anymore, unless you are a specialist (something US retains). Shove the low margin business overseas, and keep the high margin ones inshore (development). You simply cannot afford to keep the production inshore unless someone is subsidising the production, and at the moment no one is willing to do that.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
21,080 (6.22/day)
Likes
10,208
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2015
Processor Intel Core i7-6700K (4 x 4.00 GHz) w/ HT and Turbo on
Motherboard MSI Z170A GAMING M7
Cooling Scythe Kotetsu
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-2133 8 GiB
Video Card(s) PowerColor PCS+ 390 8 GiB DVI + HDMI
Storage Crucial MX300 275 GB, Seagate 6 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster T240 24" LCD (1920x1200 HDMI) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW 19" LCD (1440x900 DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek Onboard, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei RAW
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
"Low margin?" Because of the fact they get it made for so cheap, they can make a killing selling it in other countries. Profit margins are huge for Apple, unbelievably huge. Just look at the iPhone 5. They're selling microUSB adapters virtually everyone is going to want in the USA for $10 each. They probably cost less than $1 to manufacture. Also look at the $29 adapters to allow the new iPhone 5 to work with older devices. That probably costs less than $3 to manufacturer so their profit margin is again about 10x. The iPhone itself costs about $200 to manufacturer. They sell for north of $600 uncontracted where competing products are about $200 less retail with substantially better hardware.

With those kinds of profit margins, they could easily afford to manufacturer their devices in the USA. But they don't. Being a "greedy" corporation like the rest of them, they manufacturer as cheap as they can to get the largest profit margins possible.

I don't blame Apple for that because they're doing what all international corporations in the 21st century do. I do blame consumers for not doing research before shelling out mega bucks for over-priced products. Apple, like every other corporation, will keep doing it so long as they can get away with it.
 

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man
Joined
Jan 28, 2012
Messages
10,527 (4.82/day)
Likes
5,608
Location
Concord, NH
System Name Kratos
Processor Intel Core i7 3930k @ 4.2Ghz
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
Cooling Zalman CPNS9900MAX 130mm
Memory G.Skill DDR3-2133, 16gb (4x4gb) @ 9-11-10-28-108-1T 1.65v
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 390 GAMING 8GB @ PCI-E 3.0
Storage 2x120Gb SATA3 Corsair Force GT Raid-0, 4x1Tb RAID-5, 1x500GB
Display(s) 1x LG 27UD69P (4k), 2x Dell S2340M (1080p)
Case Antec 1200
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek® ALC898 8-Channel High Definition Audio
Power Supply Seasonic 1000-watt 80 PLUS Platinum
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Rosewill RK-9100
Software Ubuntu 17.10
Benchmark Scores Benchmarks aren't everything.
I got an iPhone because work was going to pay a large portion of my monthly bill. Otherwise I would have gotten a HTC Incredible 2. I go where money takes me. Both the iPhone and Android products are good. I just chose the one that was going to save me money. All the hate in this thread is why people don't get along. It's a phone ffs, choose want you want. If you don't like Apple, fine. Get a droid or something. It doesn't mean Apple is any worse than other companies that want to corner the market.

I'm happy to say that I'm happy with my 4S and the price I pay for it.
 
Joined
Apr 2, 2011
Messages
2,443 (0.98/day)
Likes
1,868
The thing is, production is not a high profit industry anymore, unless you are a specialist (something US retains). Shove the low margin business overseas, and keep the high margin ones inshore (development). You simply cannot afford to keep the production inshore unless someone is subsidising the production, and at the moment no one is willing to do that.
I don't believe you've got the same grasp on the issue here, so can you help me walk through the logic you're using. As I can't understand your logic, will you point out where our understandings differ?



Manufacturing is where both Samsung and Apple make their money initially, but Apple doesn't stop there. They take in materials and components, create a finished good, and sell it to the providers at a specific margin. Part of their costs are software and hardware development. So you take in $240 worth of parts per phone. You contract 300,000 phone sales world-wide. You spend $900,000 on developing the software, and $1,800,000 on developing the phone. The break even price of the phone (Samsung to phone company) is therefore labor+$249. Assuming that labor is higher (manufactured anywhere but China), you must increase the selling price. Companies don't take a financial loss, because if they do they cease to exist.

Now Apple and Samsung differ vastly on the development side. Apple enjoys touting that they are 100% US based. They also sell vastly more units, due to brand recognition. For a moment, let's say that for every Samsung piece of hardware sold there are two pieces of Apple hardware. Does the increased cost of US development hurt Apple? NO. They can spend twice as much on development. Rather than starting with a barebones OS and adding features (android), they can develop everything from the ground up. Apple can implement a walled garden. Every piece of software sales suddenly becomes a sale for Apple. Samsung, meanwhile, doesn't earn a penny in software sales because they use an open source platform.

We've seen that Apple and Samsung are fundamentally the same on the manufacturing side. Development is the only place where they differ. Apple is very closed, so they can control everything post sale. They tout a better experience, because they can control everything. Samsung touts better specifications. They get to do everything, but things break far more often.


The real question is how consumers respond, and herein lies the problem. Both of these devices a subsidized by the service providers. Without the 66% or higher subsidies from retail price people would purchase differently. A clean interface, with functionality nerfed, is acceptable at the $200 price point. You get something with less features that a PC, but a similar experience and speed for less cost. Samsung tries to give the PC speed and features, but also shares the PC instability. The uninformed consumer only sees a $200 price tag, and makes the assumption that some errors aren't acceptable at such a low price point. They would weigh the decision differently if the full $600 retail price were on display.


In the background, Samsung has moved on to developing the next phone model. Apple has begun to rest on their laurels, because their lock on software sales will bouy the company for months, before they need to crank up development efforts on the next revision.



In short, you buy a business model. Either rich features that are sometimes problematic, or locked down but generally more stable. Apple has done an excellent job of making their brand known, which has allowed them to compete differently. Samsung competes in the more traditional manner of new features and lower prices. "Stupid American cultural supremacists," while existing, aren't the driving force. The people hiding the true costs and selling experience/branding over capability are what makes Apple work.


While I hate Apple, but they deserve acknowledgement for making this crap acceptable. At no other point in my memory could a less featured product be sold at the same price, and outstrip competitor sales so totally as the iPhone does. -golf clap-
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
21,080 (6.22/day)
Likes
10,208
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2015
Processor Intel Core i7-6700K (4 x 4.00 GHz) w/ HT and Turbo on
Motherboard MSI Z170A GAMING M7
Cooling Scythe Kotetsu
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-2133 8 GiB
Video Card(s) PowerColor PCS+ 390 8 GiB DVI + HDMI
Storage Crucial MX300 275 GB, Seagate 6 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster T240 24" LCD (1920x1200 HDMI) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW 19" LCD (1440x900 DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek Onboard, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei RAW
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
It doesn't mean Apple is any worse than other companies that want to corner the market.
Did you not read what I typed? Apple made a net profit of $8.2 billion in 2009, $14.0 billion in 2010, and $25.9 billion in 2011. As of Q2, 2012, Apple had $110.2 billion cash on hand. What do they do with it? Buy back shares and issue dividends to investors, also known as "make Wall Street happy."

The point I'm trying to make at is that, due to the cult following Apple has, they can charge non-competitive rates for products and still get astronomical sales. What that same cult has to realize is Apple is a corporation and, in no way, deserves to be put on some pedastal to be praised. Then they really need to reflect in on themselves and ask "is this product really worth the premium?" Obviously, a lot will say yes, but I insist they reevaluate the situation for the sake of capitalism and free market economics.
 

MxPhenom 216

Corsair Fanboy
Joined
Aug 31, 2010
Messages
12,147 (4.50/day)
Likes
3,708
Location
Seattle, WA
System Name The Battlestation
Processor Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.2GHZ 1.275v
Motherboard MSi Z97 Gaming 5
Cooling EK Supremacy w/ EK Coolstream PE360
Memory G. Skill Trident X 16Gb (4x4GB) 2400mhz @ 1.65v
Video Card(s) MSi GTX1070 Gaming X 8GB @ 2GHz
Storage Samsung 830 128GB SSD, Crucial MX200 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 2TB (2x 1TB Partitions)
Display(s) Qnix QX2710 27" 2560 x 1440 PLS @ 100hz
Case Phantek Enthoo Evolv ATX TG
Audio Device(s) MSi Gaming AudioBoost ALC1150 w/ Sennheiser Game Ones
Power Supply Seasonic Flagship Prime Platinum 850
Mouse Steelseries Rival 310 w/ QCK Mass mat
Keyboard Corsair K70 w/ MX Browns and Red Backlit
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Benchmark Scores Firestrike: 15439
How fuckin thick do you have to be, to say one works better, is faster, thinner and lighter WHILE YOU'RE HOLDING THE SAME ONE IN THE OTHER HAND. :banghead:
Shows how strong the pacebo effect can be and/or how strong the stupidity in America is.
 
Joined
Apr 1, 2008
Messages
2,846 (0.79/day)
Likes
631
System Name HTC's System
Processor Ryzen 5 1600
Motherboard Asrock Taichi
Cooling NH-C14
Memory G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB
Storage 2 * Samsung 1 TB HD103UJ
Display(s) LG 27UD58
Case Corsair Obsidian 650D
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Mouse Logitech Performance MX
Software Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
Joined
Sep 3, 2010
Messages
3,448 (1.28/day)
Likes
1,695
Location
NL, Europe
Processor Intel Core i5-4460
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
Cooling Arctic Freezer i11
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport, DDR3-1600, 2x4 GB kit
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon R9 270X Vapor-X
Storage Kingston SSDNow V300 (120GB) + Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (1TB)
Display(s) AOC G2260VWQ6 | Acer AL1916 (in reserve)
Case Cooler Maste Centurion 5
Audio Device(s) integrated
Power Supply Seasonic G450
Mouse Logitech G500
Keyboard Qpad MK-50
Software Windows 10
Samsung, meanwhile, doesn't earn a penny in software sales because they use an open source platform.
And why is that? The term "open source" purely points to a development model. It does not say anything about pricing.

In short, you buy a business model. Either rich features that are sometimes problematic, or locked down but generally more stable.
You bring these two as antitheses, but are they? How fast new features get introduced is not related to how "locked down" a product is, IMHO. Stability is also set apart from the business model (after all, stability is linked to programming skills and how well the hardware works).

While I hate Apple, but they deserve acknowledgement for making this crap acceptable. At no other point in my memory could a less featured product be sold at the same price, and outstrip competitor sales so totally as the iPhone does. -golf clap-
With that, I can agree.
 

Kreij

Senior Monkey Moderator
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
13,817 (3.45/day)
Likes
5,524
Location
Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA)
The point I'm trying to make at is that, due to the cult following Apple has, they can charge non-competitive rates for products and still get astronomical sales. What that same cult has to realize is Apple is a corporation and, in no way, deserves to be put on some pedastal to be praised. Then they really need to reflect in on themselves and ask "is this product really worth the premium?" Obviously, a lot will say yes, but I insist they reevaluate the situation for the sake of capitalism and free market economics.
What you just described is the epitome of capitalism and free market economy.
 
Joined
Jan 23, 2012
Messages
233 (0.11/day)
Likes
130
Location
South Africa
I read your first post, nothing more. You went through FOUR iPads to get ONE working unit. You had a two hour wait? I think you made a mistake in the thread title, are you SURE you didn't mean to call it "Why I'm not an Apple fan..."? I mean the W and T on a keyboard are three keys apart, but you showed a lack of intelligence by not insisting on a refund half way through your fiasco so I wouldn't be surprised if you mixed up the keys :p (<-- that smilie means my last sentence was a joke)
 

erocker

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 19, 2006
Messages
42,466 (10.10/day)
Likes
18,136
Processor i7 8700K
Motherboard Asus Maximus Hero X WiFi
Cooling Water
Memory 16GB G.Skill 3200Mhz CL14
Video Card(s) GTX 1080
Storage SSD's
Display(s) Nixeus EDG27
Case Thermaltake Core X5
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster Zx
Power Supply Corsair H1000i
Mouse Zowie EC1-B
I don't have any problem with US in general, but there are some Americans who are diehard nationalists and will not touch Android, targets of this question.
You might be correct, but I think you're off base. Apple's "fanatic" customer base doesn't seem very nationalistic to me. Besides, what is wrong with nationalism? Have you no pride in where you live?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.