Why I'm now an Apple fan...

OneMoar · Sep 3, 2012

Kantastic said:
Then what point are you trying to make? Why are you singling out Apple when every other company has similar (or worse) business ethics?

Source please? And also find me one with a display as gorgeous as Apple's retina display. No, Asus's TF700T's 1200P display does not even come close. Next?

uhh pretty much anything with a nvida tegra 2/3 chip or cortex A8 will run circles around it
and the retina display inst anything impressive its just a panel with a high pixel-per inch(PPI) ratio [the ipad 3 has a ppi of (264)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density

AphexDreamer · Sep 3, 2012

Also...

"In the case of Apple, outsourcing manufacturing is not about keeping costs to customers down – they are still paying huge prices for the latest handset or tablet computer. Nor is it about the company's survival: it would still do tremendously well were it to bring those factories back home. No, in the case of Apple, moving jobs offshore has become a way of directing ever more money to those at the top of American society."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

Kantastic · Sep 3, 2012

AphexDreamer said:
How am I not?

You made a thread singling out Apple, putting them on Top, and you gave your reasons why and their weak.

But people have liked other things for less.

You're criticizing Apple based on their business ethics, yet you support every other company that does the same thing. They're on top of a pile of shit, but they're still on top.

AphexDreamer said:
Also...

"In the case of Apple, outsourcing manufacturing is not about keeping costs to customers down – they are still paying huge prices for the latest handset or tablet computer. Nor is it about the company's survival: it would still do tremendously well were it to bring those factories back home. No, in the case of Apple, moving jobs offshore has become a way of directing ever more money to those at the top of American society."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/23/bad-apple-employ-more-us-workers

What does Asus charge for their TF700T? Probably less than half of what an iPad costs right? Oh wait, they want $500 for it. Hmm... that price seems to ring a bell...

OneMoar said:
uhh pretty much anything with a nvida tegra 2/3 chip or cortex A8 will run circles around it
and the retina display inst anything impressive its just a panel with a high pixel-per inch(PPI) ratio [the ipad 3 has a ppi of (264)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density

Nothing special? Okay then. Great job completely ignoring my question by the way. :thumbsup:

Frick · Sep 3, 2012

OneMoar said:
uhh pretty much anything with a nvida tegra 2/3 chip or cortex A8 will run circles around it
and the retina display inst anything impressive its just a panel with a high pixel-per inch(PPI) ratio [the ipad 3 has a ppi of (264)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density

1) You can't really compare Android and iOS directly in terms of performance.
2) Whut? Nothing impressive? It's the one thing that DOES make it impressive. :confused:

n-ster · Sep 3, 2012

OneMoar said:
uhh pretty much anything with a nvida tegra 2/3 chip or cortex A8 will run circles around it
and the retina display inst anything impressive its just a panel with a high pixel-per inch(PPI) ratio [the ipad 3 has a ppi of (264)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density

stop trying to compare the unique Ipad 3rd Gen to anything. It's UNIQUE

It is special,noone else has anything like it.

That said I still think Apple products aren't worth it... a ripoff, and my personal opinion is Apple is shit, well kinda. Only exception is maybe actually the iPad 3rd Gen (base config) in the certain circumstance that you need a high res tablet and you can use it. If you are a photographer or something like that, and you can take advantage of that screen, it's awesome. If you are using it as an e-reader or just like another tablet, perhaps not. Also, if you know you are paying for the screen and brand name and you buy it just to enjoy your eyes and show off, knowing that there are other much better tablets at a lower cost and much more functionality and power but a less good screen then that's a personal choice I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. Hell I could see myself doing that even with a freaking 2000$ MBP Retina or iPad 3rd Gen if I had the money to waste

Imagine showing your portfolio as a photographer on the retina display? the high res can actually be used. Or just showing off pictures to friends

One thing you can't ignore is that they pushed higher res on phones (and on PCs kinda) and now they are following suit on tablets and laptops. Love them for that as they kind of force the competition to eventually follow suit, and once they do I'll buy from the competition.

One thing I don't like are that people are TOO rosy with Apple. Yea, they aren't the shittiest and they do try to innovate a little, but eventually, once the competition catches up, it's miles better

AphexDreamer · Sep 3, 2012

Kantastic said:
You're criticizing Apple based on their business ethics, yet you support every other company that does the same thing. They're on top of a pile of shit, but they're still on top.

What does Asus charge for their TF700T? Probably less than half of what an iPad costs right? Oh wait, they want $500 for it. Hmm... that price seems to ring a bell...

You keep putting words in my mouth. Not once did I give my support for any other company. Yes I'm criticizing apple and you for the reasons you praise them.
And I do regret purchasing this card, I was young and naive when I bought it. Live and learn...

FordGT90Concept · Sep 3, 2012

Kantastic said:
Right, because Apple is the only company that doesn't manufacture devices in America. Where is Google's Nexus 7 tablet made? Where are Dell, HP, Gateway, etc computers built? And where are the hundreds of stores filled with American employees of the aforementioned brands that you seem to be completely fine with?

Systemax are made in the USA (Fletcher, OH, unless it is a rugged model then they are built in Fremont, CA). I only buy laptops anymore (build desktops, HTPCs, and servers) and every single one I bought (two and acounting) were Systemax.

Frick · Sep 3, 2012

FordGT90Concept said:
Systemax are made in the USA (Fletcher, OH, unless it is a rugged model then they are built in Fremont, CA). I only buy laptops anymore (build desktops, HTPCs, and servers) and every single one I bought (two and acounting) were Systemax.

Just how much those are made in the US? Are they just assembled there or do they make cards etc as well?

FordGT90Concept · Sep 3, 2012

Obviously, most computer components (CPUs, memory, video cards, chips, motherboards) are built outside the USA (mostly Taiwan, China, Malaysia, and Singapore). I do believe the cases are made in the USA (only component that really can be). They are assembled, supported, and repaired in the USA.

Frick · Sep 3, 2012

n-ster said:
If you are using it as an e-reader or just like another tablet, perhaps not.

Actually the high resolution is great for reading to, or any content. More detailed text, less eyestrain. As a commenter saidwhere (it sound cheesy but i agree): you come much closer to the content.

purecain · Sep 3, 2012

Wow... Im going to refrain from getting stuck into the point of this thread as i'd surely be banned from a great forum.

please can we get a mod in to delete this crap.

Its a blatent attempt to troll the forum.

Ive been building pc's for +15yrs and apple just get worse and worse.

Imo we should ban anyone who starts an i love apple thread. lol ok thats a bit harsh....

apple are fine if you dont mind wasting money as you will be charged a premium in most cases for a shiney white box and obselete hardware...

looks like their customer service has been exemplary in this case and for that i am pleased for Kantastic...

Kantastic · Sep 3, 2012

purecain said:
Wow... Im going to refrain from getting stuck into the point of this thread as i'd surely be banned from a great forum.

please can we get a mod in to delete this crap.

Its a blatent attempt to troll the forum.

Ive been building pc's for +15yrs and apple just get worse and worse.

Imo we should ban anyone who starts an i love apple thread.

We should also ban every single user who has also started "I hate company X and Y because they screwed me on my RMA" threads too. Those guys are all blatant trolls since you don't share their opinion.

FordGT90Concept said:
Systemax are made in the USA (Fletcher, OH, unless it is a rugged model then they are built in Fremont, CA). I only buy laptops anymore (build desktops, HTPCs, and servers) and every single one I bought (two and acounting) were Systemax.

GASP! YOU BUY ASIAN-MADE LAPTOP COMPONENTS? BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY I SAY!!!

Super XP · Sep 3, 2012

Apple = Overpriced Products that greatly lack quality all inside a pretty shell to manipulate the unexpected consumer's. Apple can pound dirt as far as I am concerned.

Aquinus · Sep 3, 2012

Super XP said:
Apple = Overpriced Products that greatly lack quality all inside a pretty shell to manipulate the unexpected consumer's.

I've never personally had an issue with any of the Macs I've managed for work. The only time Apple has failed me is when the end user is an idiot and does something stupid. Like drop it or spill a drink on (in) it. I've had many fewer issues with Apple than any other manufacturer. Pardon me for saying this, but there is a lot more hate for Apple than what is actually warranted. If you don't like the price, then don't buy it, but unless you've owned an Apple laptop (recently) don't go bashing their laptops because I find that my MBA is just as responsive as my skt2011 desktop. It might not have the same graphic capability but it does everything (with the exception of games,) just as well as my tower.

So I don't know about the rest of you, but I've been happy with the last two Apple laptops I've used for work in the last couple years.

purecain · Sep 3, 2012

hmm let me see, tech community forum....

tech community gets consistantly ripped off by apple....

someone posts how good apple are.... 0_o

the only thing apple are good at is marketing...! they just sold you 3 defective devices and you still couldnt contain yourself...

you just had to post it here....jing digga dinga dinga ding...

obviously im not saying dont do it or you cant do it... just that its a little trollish...

thats all...

oh and never lose your sense of humor...

Fourstaff · Sep 3, 2012

purecain said:
tech community gets consistantly ripped off by apple....

No sir, you can only be ripped off by Apple if you choose to buy their products. I believe the majority of the tech community avoids Apple like a plague, immune from getting ripped off. Those who brave the waters and get Apple usually find them reasonably satisfactory, indeed even similar to "non Apple" goods. However, these pioneers are almost universally subjected to humiliating punishments by the rather xenophobic tech community. Castigated by the said community, these adventurers left the community for good, giving the most zealous preachers space to preach their poison.

Now only trolls populate the once great forum, shutting out other opinions with communist efficiency.

Frick · Sep 3, 2012

Sigh, I'm actually pretty proud of this thread. Apart from a few zings here and there the discussion is surprisingly level.

Kreij · Sep 3, 2012

This thread was started about customer service.
No more, no less.
Not about value, not about quality ... just customer service.

The only trolling going on is those who are trying to turn it into a "I hate Apple" thread.

Keep it on the topic of customer service or GTFO.

erixx · Sep 3, 2012

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ongs-downloaded-iTunes.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I didn't want to start a new thread... It is related to the damn "geniuses", DRM, and so on... If I ever be tempted to buy apple, their customer service is not the real issue, it is their mandatory i-Tunes... which can stay "Lonely tunes" forever as I will never ever install it... while being a free man.

Fourstaff · Sep 3, 2012

erixx said:
it is their mandatory i-Tunes... which can stay "Lonely tunes" forever as I will never ever install it... while being a free man.

How is iTunes mandatory? I have never touched iTunes on Macs, and only use it to upload music to my iPod :confused:

MxPhenom 216 · Sep 3, 2012

Kantastic said:
Right, because Apple is the only company that doesn't manufacture devices in America. Where is Google's Nexus 7 tablet made? Where are Dell, HP, Gateway, etc computers built? And where are the hundreds of stores filled with American employees of the aforementioned brands that you seem to be completely fine with?

Apples products are assembled in China, and you can tell because the quality of how its all built is poopy. Not to mention they treat the people who are building their products and supplying them the components(Samsung) like shit.

Kantastic · Sep 3, 2012

purecain said:
hmm let me see, tech community forum....

tech community gets consistantly ripped off by apple....

someone posts how good apple are.... 0_o

the only thing apple are good at is marketing...! they just sold you 3 defective devices and you still couldnt contain yourself...

you just had to post it here....jing digga dinga dinga ding...

obviously im not saying dont do it or you cant do it... just that its a little trollish...

thats all...

oh and never lose your sense of humor...

You sir, are the best troll. You're a closet Apple fan but you can't seem to bring yourself to admit the reality of who you are. It's okay, cases like yours are why cases like mine exist. I speak on your behalf so you can continue your facade of ignorance in order to fit in with the majority of the forum. :toast:

MxPhenom 216 said:
Apples shit is all China, and you can tell because the quality is poopy. Not to mention they treat the people who are building their products and supplying them the components(Samsung) like shit.

Excuse my French, but this is a fucking joke right? I would be laughing on the floor right now if I didn't think you were actually serious. You honestly believe, in your tiny little world where Apple is the embodiment Satan and every other company are glowing angels with halos, that the Apple-Samsung relationship is strictly one-sided, and that Samsung is forced to do business with Apple by some holy spiritual voodoo Satanic magic? :roll:

erixx said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ongs-downloaded-iTunes.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I didn't want to start a new thread... It is related to the damn "geniuses", DRM, and so on... If I ever be tempted to buy apple, their customer service is not the real issue, it is their mandatory i-Tunes... which can stay "Lonely tunes" forever as I will never ever install it... while being a free man.

Have you read the ToS for Google Play?

Depth · Sep 3, 2012

n-ster said:
stop trying to compare the unique Ipad 3rd Gen to anything. It's UNIQUE

It is special,noone else has anything like it.

So why does everyone get sued over it?

Fourstaff · Sep 3, 2012

Depth said:
So why does everyone get sued over it?

Who?

WhiteLotus · Sep 3, 2012

Because god forbid that apple compete!

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Why I'm now an Apple fan...

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