Why is PC gaming not as big as it once was?

[1Kurgan1]

i'll give you Minecraft but it's not exclusive anymore it's coming to XBOX 360 with Kinect support

Sony has a couple MMO and more on the way (DC Universe, The Agency, Dust 514, MAG, Final Fantasy XIV), Microsoft Game Studios is working on a couple.

You can't discount the RTS fighter genre, it's booming. And iRacing's laser scanning technology is just insane, far ahead of anything else. And yep MMO's are starting to creep to consoles, though DC was better on PC, haven't heard of The Agency, Dust looks interesting but its dependant on the PC game, MAG sucked (COD clone on a larger scale, sold my copy 2 days after I bought it), and FF was bad as well even on PC.

I think you missed the FPS part.

I couldn't think of any real exclusives except Americas Army.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I was making a PC to play in the same resolution as the HD consoles, but, maybe you can make a PC with 500USD, but, that is already 2 times more than the 160Gb PS3. Not to mention that next year you would have to make an upgrade to play the next Crysis/GTA/whatever.

surely you ment HD console(ps3) as i dont personally count the 360s upscaled mediocraty to be hd

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

ok the first Rare Machine gun, certainly worked on the heavy armed bugs, the largest spiders in the game not so much lol

The fire, electric and even acid damaging revolvers work great also. Mostly since my shotgun proficiency in Borderlands is greatest out of all weapons.

One thing I'm greatly disliking about video games for multi-platform is the unnecessary dumbing down titles receive. At least it isn't the same for The Elder Scrolls and Fallout series. Well, includes many other titles from companies which they support the modding communities.

EDIT: S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 1 Trilogy?

 

[Shihab]

tell me some exclusive FPS on PC that reinvented the wheel in the last 5 years.

Battlefield 2

Far Cry

Counter Strike: Source

Crysis

F.E.A.R: First Encounter Assault Recon

....

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

Battlefield 2

Far Cry

Counter Strike: Source

Crysis

F.E.A.R: First Encounter Assault Recon

....

Crysis? Look at my earlier post on it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think you missed the FPS part.

hows about Crysis imho the ver coming to consoles truly wouldnt be sellable the other way ie if pc owners got such a shity looking port with no bushes they simply wouldnt buy it

and in all i dont know how they have the nerve to call that crysis

don't know how many PC Games there are in total but Steam only has 1300 titles in it's library. the Playstation 2 has over 10,000. for every year of PC Gaming there has been multiple consoles with large libraries.

im quite happy to not be able to play some games ie harry potter 1 - 99 others would be nice gran tourismo for 1 but hey thats why pc owners love emulators you have them on consoles yes no cos sony took it out

 

[BumbleBee]

i might just go back and think about that,but regardless, it's about subjective opinion and expectations.

we saw the original doom era, we saw counter strike era, and the half life era as well... we know how good a game CAN be. so when we see a game like Halo or Gears being touted as #1, we can't help but roll our eyes in disgust as it's really very bland compared to what could have been done with good sci fi story-lines and today's technology.

consoles gamers are used to crap. what are the best every console games? now measure them solely on depth and originality. and now compare that to the history of pc games.

even if it's 1:1, there were simply more pc games and so more were original unique and ... good.

and exclusivity and FPS are unnecessary modifiers anyway. especially without how many series started on pc and sold their souls.

how many FPS use regenerating health and 2 weapon slot mechanics? who pioneered that? Halo which also had large maps and vehicles but so did Tribes.

I don't know how many PC Games there are in total. Steam has over 1300 titles in it's library. the Playstation 2 has over 10,000 titles in it's library and for every year of PC Gaming there has been multiple consoles with large libraries.

 

[Shihab]

Crysis? Look at my earlier post on it.

I did, and I agree. But you see, Crysis did raise the bar for PC games standards. At least graphics wise. I know the engine was nothing but a big resource hog, but you can't disagree the eye candy was something. And tbh the game has lots of people that liked both the story and the gameplay

 

[digibucc]

and for every year of PC Gaming there has been multiple consoles with large libraries.

what? i think you mixed that part up.

how many FPS use regenerating health and 2 weapon slot mechanics? who pioneered that? Halo

halo was the first to pioneer dumbing down fps?

I don't know how many PC Games there are in total. Steam has over 1300 titles in it's library.

by the simple fact that you need a license to program for any console you should understand there are less games for them.

no, no no nonononononon

nice try but you need more of an argument than "no". you are still arguing about a moot point anyway, exclusive or not the sheer number of pc games makes the difference.

 

[Frick]

Battlefield 2

Far Cry

Counter Strike: Source

Crysis

F.E.A.R: First Encounter Assault Recon

....

BF2: No. BF1942 on steroids.

Far Cry: Not sure. Like Delta Force with jungles.

CS:S: Nonono. Just no.

Crysis: Far cry with graphics.

FEAR: I have not played this game so I wouldn't know. ^^

hows about Crysis imho the ver coming to consoles truly wouldnt be sellable the other way ie if pc owners got such a shity looking port with no bushes they simply wouldnt buy it

and in all i dont know how they have the nerve to call that crysis

Nonononono. It was actually a pretty good game (and I even enjoyed the second game, but mostly for the story, which isn't that good but as I played the first game I kinda wanted to know what would happen next) but not groundbreaking. Maybe graphicswise but that is not important.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Nonononono. It was actually a pretty good game (and I even enjoyed the second game, but mostly for the story, which isn't that good but as I played the first game I kinda wanted to know what would happen next) but not groundbreaking. Maybe graphicswise but that is not important.

while i see your point and i too enjoyed both games, for me part of their greatness is the odd moment of beauty amongst it all and genarally good graphics(plus good games) i have since stopped halfway through crysis 2 because ive decided to save the rest till my spec is better effin amd tut

luckily dues ex human rev is mint< big thumbs up 90/100

 

[eidairaman1]

so if PC gaming is such a pain why do you own the machine you have?

As an infrequent gamer my theory is PC gaming is a PITA. Every single time I install a game I have to do something to make it run right. I have to patch it, add code so it will run with my machine properly, update the video driver, or roll it back, and then after about an hour or so of this tedious crap I have just about lost interest in even trying out the game.

On the PS3 I turn it on and I play a game.

The other obvious factor is the cost...a decent rig is going to cost 3 times what a console costs, and then there is the constant pressure to upgrade the rig...but amazingly a console still plays games great year after year with no hardware upgrade.

And finally there are the games...which most serious gamers I know say play better on console. Plus console online gaming is usually part of a social network...you are playing with friends you've had for ages...they all have accounts, you can all talk and text and game seamlessly.

PC gaming is just a PITA for me.

 

[DannibusX]

so if PC gaming is such a pain why do you own the machine you have?

Because he can?

 

[Shihab]

BF2: No. BF1942 on steroids.

Far Cry: Not sure. Like Delta Force with jungles.

CS:S: Nonono. Just no.

Crysis: Far cry with graphics.

FEAR: I have not played this game so I wouldn't know. ^^

BF2, BF1942.
Both are PC exclusives, so who cares ?

CS:S
Don't know what you have against this one. But it was counterstrike that set the standards for online multiplayer fps games (that doesn't have lasers rifles and flak cannons)

Crysis:
Well, Far Cry didn't have nano suits, didn't have alien robots, didn't have stealth abilities, and many other gameplay mechanisms that set Crysis apart. True the tropical island settings is similar, but that's just about it :/. And even if they were the same, both of them are PC exclusives. So, my original point is still valid.

F.E.A.R
Not something I'de recommend playing under any form of influence. Specially ac!d

 

[BumbleBee]

You can't discount the RTS fighter genre, it's booming. And iRacing's laser scanning technology is just insane, far ahead of anything else. And yep MMO's are starting to creep to consoles, though DC was better on PC, haven't heard of The Agency, Dust looks interesting but its dependant on the PC game, MAG sucked (COD clone on a larger scale, sold my copy 2 days after I bought it), and FF was bad as well even on PC.



I couldn't think of any real exclusives except Americas Army.

I like Dawn of War, Civilization and EVE.

 

[Ray_Rogers2109]

I did, and I agree. But you see, Crysis did raise the bar for PC games standards. At least graphics wise. I know the engine was nothing but a big resource hog, but you can't disagree the eye candy was something. And tbh the game has lots of people that liked both the story and the gameplay

CRYSIS is one of those games, similar to Duke Nukem took almost Forever, which I don't have any desire to play whatsoever.

BF2: No. BF1942 on steroids.

Far Cry: Not sure. Like Delta Force with jungles.

CS:S: Nonono. Just no.

Crysis: Far cry with graphics.

FEAR: I have not played this game so I wouldn't know. ^^

F.E.A.R. is alright for a time killer. Haven't played Counter-Strike: Source yet. Red Hawaiian shirt protagonist can't act himself out of a wet paper sack.

EDIT: I do love the Civilization and Total War series quite a lot.

 

[BumbleBee]

Battlefield 2

Far Cry

Counter Strike: Source

Crysis

F.E.A.R: First Encounter Assault Recon

....

CS:S is the only exclusive and seriously you think it reinvented the wheel?

 

[digibucc]

pcs invented the fps, so i'm not sure exactly what your argument is. you're trying to direct everything around this one point that doesn't matter.

the fact that development has turned to crap on both counts doesn't lend to the argument either way.

halo was released at a time when we had rainbow six 3 (last of the real ones), hmm..., as well as games like warcraft 3, rise of nations, and galactic civilizations, not to mention SIM CITY 4!!. those were all at the time pc exclusive and blew halo out of the water. so if you want to compare at least keep it in the ballpark.

ninja edit.

 

[1Kurgan1]

CS:S is the only exclusive and seriously you think it reinvented the wheel?

BF2 (BF2 Modern Combat is not BF2), Far Cry, and Crysis are all exclusive (though Crysis is finally comping to consoles). And FEAR was exclusives for a year then 360 got it, and 2 years until PS3 got it (and FEAR was an amazing game).

 

[Drone]

I don't understand all that fuss about FarCry. Jungles in Boiling Point were more crispy and picturesque. The reason why Boiling Point wasn't a Farcry killer is quite beyond my ken.

In the last 5-6 years there wasn't that many innovative FPS titles. Boiling Point could be the one if it didn't flop. I bet it was the only game ever without loading screens. From middle 2000s I think I like Halo series nothing really new there but dialogues and its plot makes it really interesting and its vehicles were really good with easy controls and all. Stalker was another interesting title. Sin episodes could be great if they hadn't discontinued them, No One lives forever with its sense of humor was also really good, Serious Sam 2 wasn't too bad either. Prey, Unreal 2, Quake 4, Deus Ex 2 also were fine and they deserved more than they got.

I didn't like fear series at all and think that's what an FPS shouldn't look like (I suppose I'm the only one here who thinks that), I didn't like cod series either and all its clones.

Wolfenstein drew my attention. I like it much more than RTCW. The game was kinda cliche (got many things from other shooters) but it still was fun. Boss battles were quite interesting and not annoying at all. Gotta replay the game once again.

Haven't played new Deus Ex, Aliens vs Predator and Duke Nukem. Maybe later if I'll have more time and interest. Also totally skipped crysis - insufficient funds to build a monster for that.

 

[Shihab]

CS:S is the only exclusive and seriously you think it reinvented the wheel?

As 1Kurgan1 stated, only F.E.A.R isn't an exclusive (my mistake ).
And as for CS:S, the game itself reinvented nothing, but the series as a whole set the standard for most fps mp games. It introduced tactical gameplay into the scene. Before Battlefield came into action. And around the time FPS was only about run/jump/shoot with Unreal & Quake.

 

[Drone]

As 1Kurgan1 stated, only F.E.A.R isn't an exclusive (my mistake ).
And as for CS:S, the game itself reinvented nothing, but the series as a whole set the standard for most fps mp games. It introduced tactical gameplay into the scene. Before Battlefield came into action. And around the time FPS was only about run/jump/shoot with Unreal & Quake.

Not really. System Shock, Abyss, Zero Tolerance and Redneck Rampage - all old games from that era - were beyond run-and-gun concept. These games brought many new elements to the fps genre

 

[Shihab]

Not really. System Shock, Abyss, Zero Tolerance and Redneck Rampage - all old games from that era - were beyond run-and-gun concept. These games brought many new elements to the fps genre

Ah, sry, I must've been 3 or something when System shock was released. And that's the only name I recognized because I played (or rather, watched someone playing) the sequel. Can't say I've ever seen the other titles you've mentioned.
to old school gamers !

But, defending my original point, I wasn't talking about the fps genre as a whole, I was talking about multiplayer ones. To be more specific, online multiplayer ones.

 

[Frick]

As 1Kurgan1 stated, only F.E.A.R isn't an exclusive (my mistake ).
And as for CS:S, the game itself reinvented nothing, but the series as a whole set the standard for most fps mp games. It introduced tactical gameplay into the scene. Before Battlefield came into action. And around the time FPS was only about run/jump/shoot with Unreal & Quake.

The sequels/remakes were no revolutions. Evolutions yes, but reinventing the wheel? Not so much.

 

[Shihab]

The sequels/remakes were no revolutions. Evolutions yes, but reinventing the wheel? Not so much.

Very well, I stand corrected, CS:S reinvented nothing. But the series proves that PC is where the FPS genre was made, evolved, and matured. Consoles had nothing to do with FPS except ruining it.