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Why is TSMC building new factories in a drought ridden area, when these factories require loads of water?

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I don't get it. Seriously, there are Republican states that would give same tax breaks that surround the five Great Lakes... seems like long term strategically speaking, if it were my 12 billion dollars... I would want to build it where I know water will be plentiful and cheap.

@TheLostSwede thoughts?
 
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when these factories require loads of water?
Says who? Water would be a contaminate in those wafers. So no, loads of water is not needed in the production of chips. Land is cheap in comparison and skilled workers are plentiful in Arizona. Plus, winters are mild.

And while technically there is a drought in parts of the southwest, it is an arid desert environment anyway and there is still plenty of water to last for decades to come.
 
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Says who? Water would be a contaminate in those wafers. So no, loads of water is not needed in the production of chips. Land is cheap in comparison and skilled workers are plentiful in Arizona. Plus, winters are mild.

And while technically there is a drought in parts of the southwest, it is an arid desert environment anyway and there is still plenty of water to last for decades to come.

ah you must not know...

 
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My bad. I did a poor job :oops: of explaining myself. Sorry. Let me clarify.

You are right and a lot of water is used in the production of the chips and in the cooling towers, etc. But it is not like that water is used once then dumped down the sewers. It is cleaned and recycled over and over again.

I actually grew up in Tucson and lived quite a few years in the Phoenix area, as well as in Albuquerque, NM. I worked in copper mines in Arizona before I joined the Air Force and they certainly use a lot of water in mining and refining the ore.

But Arizona does not just let manufacturers (or anybody else) come in and build factories that waste water. They have to prove they will use the available water wisely.

If the drought were as bad as you appear to be suggesting, lawns would banned in Phoenix and other areas since grass lawns really suck up the water - and it is not recovered. But lawns are not banned - yet. Maybe some day if the monsoons don't replenish the reservoirs and mountain lakes sufficiently, they may have to take more drastic measures. But as long as factories are able to recycle the water they use, they are not a big deal. Lawns and swimming pools are another story.

So yes, the factories may use a lot of water, but they use it over and over again. So big difference.
 

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If they are smart about it they'll just filter the water on-site and re-use it.

But there is still plenty of water in Arizona too, and New Mexico(where Intel has a big fab). There is Lake Meade, Lake Powell, the Colorado River. Yes, parts of Arizona are desert, but obviously it isn't all dry deserter, because there are are some pretty big cities there.
 
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My bad. I did a poor job :oops: of explaining myself. Sorry. Let me clarify.

You are right and a lot of water is used in the production of the chips and in the cooling towers, etc. But it is not like that water is used once then dumped down the sewers. It is cleaned and recycled over and over again.

I actually grew up in Tucson and lived quite a few years in the Phoenix area, as well as in Albuquerque, NM. I worked in copper mines in Arizona before I joined the Air Force and they certainly use a lot of water in mining and refining the ore.

But Arizona does not just let manufacturers (or anybody else) come in and build factories that waste water. They have to prove they will use the available water wisely.

If the drought were as bad as you appear to be suggesting, lawns would banned in Phoenix and other areas since grass lawns really suck up the water - and it is not recovered. But lawns are not banned - yet. Maybe some day if the monsoons don't replenish the reservoirs and mountain lakes sufficiently, they may have to take more drastic measures. But as long as factories are able to recycle the water they use, they are not a big deal. Lawns and swimming pools are another story.

So yes, the factories may use a lot of water, but they use it over and over again. So big difference.
You didn't even read the article. You're still wrong.
 
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You didn't even read the article. You're still wrong.
Gee whiz. I did read it. Did you read what I said, that you quoted? Did you read where newteckie1 said the same thing I did?

Yes, they use lots of water. But then they reuse it over and over again.

Do you realize that Arizona is in the Rocky Mountains? Do you know what happens in the mountains in the winter?

And again, Arizona would not approve such factories if their use of water would be that big of a threat.
 
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Take em out Bill :D

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The drought in Taiwan is just going to add to the chip shortage and the new fabs in Arizona aren't going to come online for a few years.

What else can go wrong?
 
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Not here for that.
and New Mexico(where Intel has a big fab).
I am so upset about that too. I lived in Albuquerque from 75 to 82 when Intel first built that huge facility in Rio Rancho (just across the Rio Grande from Albuquerque). If I only had some extra $$$ to invest in Intel then, I would be filthy rich now. A friend got out of the AF and started working as a low level electronics tech making barely over minimum wage. But with stock options, he is rolling in it now.

The drought in Taiwan
Yeah, but droughts in Taiwan are totally different than those in Arizona. Arizona has dealt with dry conditions forever.
 
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