ok to start, im posting this to clear up some missconseptions/fud i have seen people posting about the fx cards "emulating dx9" and why they sucked. http://techreport.com/news_reply.x/4782/4/ its got 2 links neer the top in comments that are usefull. from wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_FX haxxxx!!!! more haxxxx!!!!!!! 9600 256mb i had stomped the 5800ultra i had at EVERY SINGEL THING and it was around 1/3-1/4 the price!!!! pwned again!!!! see the thumb for specs of these cards, i will also link specs of ati's r300 core http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R300 thumb is of the r300 range cards specs, cards that totaly stomp the nvidia equivlants!!!