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Why the FX line sucks/sucked so bad.

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@ AshenSugar: Why aren't you working for ATI? :p
 
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forgot to say i alwase wanted to see a geforce 6660 maby a 106660 lol
 
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@ AshenSugar: Why aren't you working for ATI? :p
i wish :)

and no, i had an fx5800ultra, it was a pile of very very very very very very noisy crap.

also seen people posting over and over that the fx line emulated dx9 when u cant emulate dx9 because u cant software emulate ps2, it has the hardware to run dx9 just not very well.

and common wouldnt a pcie 1x card that boosted game quility and perf be a kickin the ass?
 
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Yeah it would but imagine the heat! Two x1950pro's in crossfire (I prefer these since they have the internal connectors) with a sound card and the PCI add-on cards would probably raise your temps like no other... And you'd need a heck of a power supply to provide enough power as well!





(I'd still buy it though <_< )
 
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Yes! ATI should patent the X numeral in lettering! Time for ATI/AMD to be a dickhead for the right things (like they always do) >=D, gosh I love ATI/AMD, they had it all planned out, Nvidia is probably going to file a lawsuit for monopolising the GPU industry. Therefore:

There would be no such thing as the:

-Geforce 9600
-Geforce 9800
-Geforce 8500

Nvidia seriously needs to consider a new naming code, or else they are screwed >=D.
I will literally ROFHASWL (Rolling on the floor having a seizure while laughing) if they make the 10800; thats seriously stupid looking, I would say if they wanted to be the "best" they should name it Geforce "TO INFINITY AND BEYOND"

I don't get how the X800 was criticised as a revision of the 9800, thats FUD.
They actually can't patronize a numbering system.
Remember how AMD piss off Intel for the 80X86 CPU?
Thatz is the beginning of the "glory" of Pentium:p (The Pentium would actually be the 80586).
 

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ok so rating in amps is better than rating in watts?

That is most definitely wrong, amps are dependant on voltage

P = V.I for a DC circuit

Power (watts) = volts x amps

Eg, if you are on 230V eu power supply. Lets say your pc draws 500watts from the mains

I = P / V = 500 / 230 = about 2 amps

and lets say your chip draws 100 watts at 1V (just an example remember)

I = P / V = 100 / 1 = 100 amps. So see why you cant use amps to measure things??? unless voltages are the same OFC.

I (A) = P/V. So the higher the voltage on the chip the lower the power consumption appears to be. Therefore watts is a better way to go, or joules per second if u wanna get really technical about it and put it in SI.

You also say the SB400/450 sucked, agreed, im using one now. The SB600 rocks though, also agreed and you will only see it on my fav board manufacturer (definitely a DFI fanboy). So if ATI release another not so good chipset i expect you will have the same reaction you are currently having to NV graphics cards yes?

As for the x1900 being faster, my 7900GT is stable at 620 GPU, 915 ram and thats without voltmod and was £70 cheaper than a x1900xt when i bought it. Id like to bet it would give a x1900 some competition compared to the 450/650 default.

As for a slight difference in power the x1900XT takes about 80-90% more than that of the 7900GT, thats more than "slightly lower power"

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3335&s=8 for 7900GT power consumption and x1900XTX

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gpu-consumption2006_4.html for x1900XT

I am not saying the x1900 series of cards are bad, most certainly not, but the nvidia range have their redeeming features and the 7900GT has unbelievable overclocking potential. Especially if you are prepared to do a bit of voltmodding.
 
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no voltmoding needed on ati cards, u can tweak bios to get that.

and when i say its better to look at amps im not talking about ur math, im talking about how psu's and such are rated by the maker, a crappy 850watt psu is gonna be worse then a highquility 300watt psu, thats fact.

going by the published numbers from amdti/nvidia on watts/amps in my exp is a bad idea, because they are subject to the people writing them out, say you give them a watt/amp range, 10-28amps and 85-125watts, now depending on the person wrighting the official specs you could endup with the card being rated "best possable" with 10amps and 85watts draw, or worst possable with 28/125, the best way is worst case, but then again it may look bad to list the worst case specs, so marketing comes into play.

and if you watch around deals popup for cards all the time, i payed 278for my x1900xt/xtx(flashed to toxic bios) the 7900gt 512mb was over 300 at the time, and at stock core volts i can get 685core/1650ram well thats as far as i have tryed so far, im guessing by results i have seen around with my cooler and the same card i should beable to get the core to 700range b4 i need to add vgpu, thats pretty damn good :)

and by official specs i should be using a 500+watt psu, im on a 400watt fortron sata seirse 12cm ran psu with 16+18 amp 12v rails, guess what, i hve 4hdd's(2 seagate high draw units 2 maxtors) 2 optical drives, 3500+(2.2gz)@3.03gz PIB air., 6 fans and its ROCK STABLE!!!!!

thats what i mean about rating by amps, if i was using a blah quility 850watt psu i probbly wouldnt even beable to post ;)
 

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may i mention this i have a PNY fx5700 VIVO and ummm well it sux in everything except video rendering and image quality it is one of the BEST cards for video quality for the money but on the other hand even with the card running 500/700mhz the thing still falls behind my AsusTek ti4200 @ 330/605mhz which is sad

the only thing that the FX series was good at was video rendering and it was quite good at that NVidia just missed the gaming mark

though the FX5900 did beat the 9700pro PROOF

and on paper the card kills the whole ATi series<---on paper only though


another article showing the ATi 9700PRO being outdone
 
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Dude, G80 is just a ultra beefed N7x chip.

In truth G80 is just a compilation of old technology, it emulates DX10 with difficulty.
it doesnt even emulate dx10 at this point in time, its a high end dx9 card and at best the best dx9 card cause it sure as hell aint dx10, but im thinking of getting a 8800gts 320mb for my next high end dx9 card and then get a 2nd gen midrange dx10 card when drivers and games permit :toast:

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may i mention this i have a PNY fx5700 VIVO and ummm well it sux in everything except video rendering and image quality it is one of the BEST cards for video quality for the money but on the other hand even with the card running 500/700mhz the thing still falls behind my AsusTek ti4200 @ 330/605mhz which is sad

the only thing that the FX series was good at was video rendering and it was quite good at that NVidia just missed the gaming mark

though the FX5900 did beat the 9700pro PROOF

and on paper the card kills the whole ATi series<---on paper only though


another article showing the ATi 9700PRO being outdone
in dx8 and ogl the high end fx cards could keep up with/outdo(mostly in ogl) the r300 range cards, but do i really need to show you what happens under halflife2 with the FX line if you try and run in dx9 mode? its unplayable, i tested it myself, try this 800x600 dx9 mode on a 5950ultra low detail, the card will CHUG at 20fps max, where as the 9700pro would be doing 1280x1024 with high detail and not have notable perf drops, a 9600non-pro is about 3-4x as fast in dx9 rendering then any fx line card, its just a matter of the fact that nvidia screwed up, and with the newer drivers(came out after the 9800pro) dx8 perf was improved as was ogl perf, tho the fx still did better in most ogl only games.
the reasion for thats is EASY, doom3 and the like where WRITEN FOR NVIDIA CARDS!!!!! Id and nvidia have a long standing relationship, Id spicificly tunes their games to work best with nv cards, even older ones, and doom3 is also only a ogl1.5 game, not ogl2.x where shader2 would be used(and thus could harm fx line card perf)

and yes on paper the fx cards looked impressive, but in acction they where crap, sad when a gf2gts is faster then a card 3 gens newer (gf4mx=gf2)

i mainly posted this to clear up the missconseption that these chips somehow emulated dx9, whitch is IMPOSSABLE due to it being impossale to software emulate shader2.
 

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i mainly posted this to clear up the missconseption that these chips somehow emulated dx9, whitch is IMPOSSABLE due to it being impossale to software emulate shader2.
thats the only reason my chip cant :shadedshu only shader 1.3 :cry:
 
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upgrade:p
 
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