Will a 3600 bottleneck a RTX 3080

[X71200]

If that is U.S dollars, I'd ask how important streaming is for you. I wouldn't say 3700X is worth the while from your current CPU. Might even get a 5600X at that point if you're going to stream off the GPU anyway. Best off wait and see how well the new AMD cards do.

 

[PandaH05]

Ok

Thanks for the help

 

[ZoneDymo]

You are fine, and maybe later you can upgrade to a 5600X when they are cheap somewhere.

 

[Chrispy_]

B450 Tomahawk VRMs are fine. MSI were some of the better B450 boards on the market.

the reason why I’m sticking to getting the 3080 is because I do plan on getting a new cpu and mobo but I decided to wait because amd might be changing their platform to am5 so I don’t wanna spend money on a mobo with no upgrade path

also will overclocking help

Even if everything goes to plan and TSMC and AMD execute flawlessly, the earliest AM5 boards will be launched is Q2 2022 and the RTX 3080 will probably be a couple of generations old at that point - you're not going to want to pair a brand new CPU/motherboard/RAM with an older graphics card - it'll dilute the experience.

My advice would be to make the best of your B450 board and 144Hz 1080p monitor for now. The 3070 is a better deal than the 3080 for 1080p and you can get by just fine with your R5 3600 and NVENC to stream. Gaming on a $550 5900X is only going to be 20% faster, and only in situations where you're CPU-limited, which aren't that often. I would say get just a 3070 and see how you get on with your 3600 because it's a perfectly good gaming CPU that will do everything you need it to for the next 2 years. Overclocking won't help much, but if your 3600 can do 4.4 all-core it's probably worth the effort. Tuning the RAM timings is also worth doing, even if you don't overclock the CPU.

IF you get a 4K or 1440p high refresh
AND you start using the CPU to encode instead of the GPU
THEN you can look at upgrading your R5 3600.

You can decide what CPU to get then, once you have more information about what you want to do and what your bottlenecks are.

 

[X71200]

Yeah, like I said, just warm up a bit with 105W+ TDP CPUs. This is a decent VRM source I from time to time check:

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07) By Cr1318 (Reddit) Cautilus#5912 (Discord) (I don't accept random friend requests on Discord, but you can send me a question on there if you share a server with me, you can find me on the discord.gg/overclock server, otherwise...

docs.google.com

 

[PandaH05]

Ok so my 3600 is gonna be fine for the 3070 and even the 3080 if I decide to go that route which I have to put some time and think about what I do want but either way I should just keep my cpu it should be fine for this 3rd gen gpus

 

[arbiter]

Testing proved that 3000 ryzen cpu's lose like 5-20% fps wise over intel in games so will it bottleneck it yes it will a little bit. How much is lost depends on game. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-amd-3900-xt-vs-intel-10900k/

 

[phanbuey]

Ok so my 3600 is gonna be fine for the 3070 and even the 3080 if I decide to go that route which I have to put some time and think about what I do want but either way I should just keep my cpu it should be fine for this 3rd gen gpus

GPU is by far the biggest determinant of gaming performance, especially at 1440 and above. The CPU is just a bus - like an escalator/elevator -- if you notice it, then it's a problem, otherwise it's just there to feed the GPU and don't pay attention to it at all.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, always lean towards more gpu power over spending too much on a couple % difference at 1440P cpu wise. You should always buy the best gpu you can afford. You can always run 4k DSR or 1440p DSR till you get a proper 1440p 144/165hz monitor or the AMD equivalent with a 6800XT

 

[John Naylor]

Oh man, I don't know that you'll be able to stand the performance hit .... using COD:MW <heavy sarcasm>

The 3800x system managed 222.48 fps and the 10900k system system managed 221.52 fps at 1080 ....

The 3600 will lose a little to the 3800X so you might be at about 218 fps ... I don't think you will lose any sleep losing 3 fps to a CPU that costs 2.4 times as much.

At 1440p, that works out to about 173 for the 3600 and 179.22 for the 10900k ...Even with a 240 hz monitor, I don't think you'd be able to tell

The sad part for those of us on past generation products, the $170 10400F is within 1.7% of the $550 10900k and is faster in gaming than anything in AMDs lineup.

 

[PandaH05]

hey guys so this is literally my last question if it's down to you guys where a person walks up and says pick one and ill give you it for free are you taking a 3080 or a 6800xt
keep in mind 6800xt has more VRAM but 3080 has faster VRAM

 

[phanbuey]

hey guys so this is literally my last question if it's down to you guys where a person walks up and says pick one and ill give you it for free are you taking a 3080 or a 6800xt
keep in mind 6800xt has more VRAM but 3080 has faster VRAM

In this order:
1. Whichever one has fewer people griping about issues on reddit, and if that's about the same then:
2. whichever one is faster

if they're identical in the above two then the final battle would be fan noise.

 

[PandaH05]

ok honestly if they end up canceling each other out I'm going with Nvidia because they are always on top with drivers and because of nvec

 

[Chrispy_]

ok honestly if they end up canceling each other out I'm going with Nvidia because they are always on top with drivers and because of nvec

I would say NVENC is the deciding factor if you are using a 3600 CPU and/or live-streaming

I reckon you need to add 25% to the bitrate to make the AMD encoder look as good as the NVENC one. So Nvidia 8Mb/s is as good as AMD's 10Mb/s

 

[Mouth of Sauron]

I plan on playing in 1440p or even 4K when I upgrade my monitor later this year

But um just back to my question real quick ?

This is what my pc looks like y’all think the 3080 will fit

This that a yea or a no

Also I’m talking about the strix

General note - if you already have a setup that satisfies you currently (even barely) - this is a terrible time for making decisions that will show results the next year.

RDNA2 isn't out yet, and won't be quite ready (drivers etc) for a few months at least, Zen3 is just out... This is meaningful even if you're cemented your way toward NVIDIA, because prices may change, supposedly NVIDIA will have cards with different memory amount and configurations, stuff like that...

Also, 4k and 1440p are different worlds in terms of performance (and subsequently, money for GPU) - if you can wait, decide what you want, check the situation when it cleans up and buy everything then... Especially if you target a specific game...

I wouldn't wait AM5 in your place, whatever they say now, I think it will be a 2022 product, in reality...

 

[Amite]

In BF5 when 5 guys are in the same room trying to kill each other and the building is collapsing around u from a airstrike yes the 3600x will bottleneck any card. Big difference running a 3900x. I know from experience