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Then an i5 would be preferable, however from my knowledge most MMO's and RTS's only use a single cpu core, so a higher model i3 would do the job just as well. i3's have the extra oomph with their hyperthreading too, so the games that are capable of 4 threads will use them.

Perhaps an i3 4360 or an i5 4590, either would serve you well with a H97 MoBo.

Tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree, I get the impression you'd rather not spend copious amounts on this. If you have cash to splash, go Z97 and i5 4690K all the way.

Does that mean that processor with very high single CPU core speed will be the best?

4690K isn't that good? I'm looking for something that can provide ~50-60fps on max, on 1920.

EDIT: Tomb Raider on everything max runs on 35fps on average, in the very beginning.. Doh...
 
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Does that mean that processor with very high single CPU core speed will be the best?

4690K isn't that good? I'm looking for something that can provide ~50-60fps on max, on 1920.

EDIT: Tomb Raider on everything max runs on 35fps on average, in the very beginning.. Doh...

Highest single core speed is the best for RTS games specifically, and most MMO's. Some MMO's perform differently, of course, but I doubt many of them are particularly fancy on the CPU requirement front. The 4690K is pretty much the best quad core available.
 

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Highest single core speed is the best for RTS games specifically, and most MMO's. Some MMO's perform differently, of course, but I doubt many of them are particularly fancy on the CPU requirement front. The 4690K is pretty much the best quad core available.

Isn't i7-4820K better?

Crysis 3 runs on 25fps... :(
 
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Isn't i7-4820K better?

Crysis 3 runs on 25fps... :(

Its still a quad core part like 4690k just with HT, 4820 is based on the older ivy bridge chip. both will run about same in performance but 4690 is bit lower TDP
 
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Isn't i7-4820K better?

Crysis 3 runs on 25fps... :(

4820K is basically a 4770K with ECC support and a few other server-like features. There really is zero reason to go for a X79 system. It's an old platform with less features than H79/Z79.
 

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Hi, Mussels.

I see... The thing is, I'm ready to pay for great performance.. I don't have time tinkering with the hardware + I don't understand how to do it..
For some reason I thought that this CPU can compete with i7. And turns out only FX9 series can.. (and not really)

What i7 would you personally recommend under 300 euro?
i7-4820K
i7-4770K
i7 3770K

?....

The problem I have with intel CPU's is that they are ALL in the same price range..
There are literally 10+ options for this price range. And I don't understand the
differences they have (or the impact these differences would have on gaming).

Would i7 improve performance by 50%?

Also... this A10-7850K seems to be really loud (cooler), when under load.

if you arent overclocking, dont get an intel K - those are the OCing chips.

find the highest clocked i5 or i7 you can find. my current i5 (see my specs) came out almost 40% faster than my old 3.6GHz 1090T in pure CPU tests, upto 4 threads - doing 4 vs 6 they came out even.

the more modern ones are faster still.
 
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if you arent overclocking, dont get an intel K - those are the OCing chips.

find the highest clocked i5 or i7 you can find. my current i5 (see my specs) came out almost 40% faster than my old 3.6GHz 1090T in pure CPU tests, upto 4 threads - doing 4 vs 6 they came out even.

the more modern ones are faster still.

i7-4790K, Quad Core, 4.00GHz. Looks like the fastest one by far.
It's K though.. Is it bad? I probably won't be doing overclocking, but it seems to be much faster than other ones.
 
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i7-4790K, Quad Core, 4.00GHz. Looks like the fastest one by far.
It's K though.. Is it bad? I probably won't be doing overclocking, but it seems to be much faster than other ones.

K is not bad, it just allows overclocking. If you are not going to overclock (it is not a necessity for gaming), then buy the non-K version that is cheaper. They have boost clocks anyway that improve speeds by themselves.
 

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K is not bad, it just allows overclocking. If you are not going to overclock (it is not a necessity for gaming), then buy the non-K version that is cheaper. They have boost clocks anyway that improve speeds by themselves.
If I understand you correctly, there must be same version without K? There is 4790, 4790S and 4970T, 3.6Ghz, 3.2Ghz, 2.7Ghz respectively.. No 4.0Ghz.

EDIT: Seems that it is the fastest.. http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/389068/intel-releases-fastest-ever-core-i7-clocked-at-4ghz

And there is that i5 4690k you recommended.
 
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If I understand you correctly, there must be same version without K? There is 4790, 4790S and 4970T, 3.6Ghz, 3.2Ghz, 2.7Ghz respectively.. No 4.0Ghz.

EDIT: Seems that it is the fastest.. http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/389068/intel-releases-fastest-ever-core-i7-clocked-at-4ghz

And there is that i5 4690k you recommended.

The 4790 is basically the same, it just has a minimal clock speed reduction, it makes intel able to change prices of processors with varying clockspeeds to fit different margins.
 
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@GreiverBlade what CPU would your recommend for online games? (mmo's primarily). Something with more "physical" cores rather than APU's?

well my i5-4690K does more than fine ... i mean in crowded zone in mmo i get 40-60fps but i could care less for my fps in a crowded zone ... unless pvp ... ofc, and the mobo i use is pretty cheap for what she offer.

so any of the RCoon recommendation are fine (OC or not )

Crysis 3 runs on 25fps... :(
what the... i played Crysis 3 on a 760K +270 then 270X then A10-7700K + 270X and finally on the FX6300+290 ... how do you get 25fps where i never went under 45
 

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well my i5-4690K does more than fine ... i mean in crowded zone in mmo i get 40-60fps but i could care less for my fps in a crowded zone ... unless pvp ... ofc, and the mobo i use is pretty cheap for what she offer.

so any of the RCoon recommendation are fine (OC or not )


what the... i played Crysis 3 on a 760K +270 then 270X then A10-7700K + 270X and finally on the FX6300+290 ... how do you get 25fps where i never went under 45

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Got it... Now it's clear what is needed.

I don't know. I guess I shouldn't use 16x FSAA (or whatever it's called) in Crysis 3? When played on 2x, fps are 50-60, dropping to 35-40 sometimes. Maybe motherboard is terrible?
(and it is)

Off topic... Why in the world I don't see full text of the post unless I reply directly??
I'm discovering that people wrote more than I see without replying...
 
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Either AMD 8 core or intel quad... I get a bottleneck on twin 290's with a 4790K unless I run it at 4.8ghz

But then again I always push it beyond the norm, but for stock AMD has the best bang for the buck.
 
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I guess I shouldn't use 16x FSAA

Yeah, you wanna turn that stuff down. Bare in mind a lot of people can't play Crysis 3 on max settings, and they have beastly hardware.
 

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Yeah, you wanna turn that stuff down. Bare in mind a lot of people can't play Crysis 3 on max settings, and they have beastly hardware.

I see... In Metro Last Light it's the same case.. When it's 16x it drops from ~40 to 20fps immediately.
 
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I see... In Metro Last Light it's the same case.. When it's 16x it drops from ~40 to 20fps immediately.

Can't you use a more basic setting like 4 or 8x AA. MSAA and other forms tend to cause a great deal of performance loss. MSAA literally halves frame rates. It renders the image at double the resolution and then downscales to smooth the edges. I never use MSAA, even on my system.
 

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Can't you use a more basic setting like 4 or 8x AA. MSAA and other forms tend to cause a great deal of performance loss. MSAA literally halves frame rates. It renders the image at double the resolution and then downscales to smooth the edges. I never use MSAA, even on my system.

Hm.. But it was testing.. I think none of the MMO's have these MSAA settings, gladly.
 
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Just saw this thread and I have a question. Don't know if already done and answered.
Why buy a 7850K if you are going for a 290X? I can understand the option of 750K. You save money that you can keep in your pocket or spend them on a faster graphics card compared to going for an eight core FX or a four core Intel, but WHY pay for the most expensive APU that will offer you an integrated GPU that you are NOT going to use?
 
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Just saw this thread and I have a question. Don't know if already done and answered.
Why buy a 7850K if you are going for a 290X? I can understand the option of 750K. You save money that you can keep in your pocket or spend them on a faster graphics card compared to going for an eight core FX or a four core Intel, but WHY pay for the most expensive APU that will offer you an integrated GPU that you are NOT going to use?

That topic has already passed, it's since been changed to a different user's problems.
 
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The differences aren't that big anyways. For example, my ancient i7 920 hardly gets any less FPS than 4770. And we're talking like 5 years difference. It's the graphic card that brings the most, serious bottlenecks only happen when running SLi/CrossX on a PCIe 2.x mobo.
 
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Hm.. But it was testing.. I think none of the MMO's have these MSAA settings, gladly.


Create a new thread. Because people will get confused and read page 1 only and then answer the OPs question.
 

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Create a new thread. Because people will get confused and read page 1 only and then answer the OPs question.

It's okay.. I've got the answer.



The only help I need now is this - I'm buying i7 4790k and Asus Z97M-PLUS (thought it might be worth to overclock a little. Why not?)
Will this PSU handle it? http://www.fsp-europe.com/professional/fsp700_50arn_88plus.php
It's the current one.

For those who missed other hardware - 16 GB RAM, Asus R9 290x, current CPU - A10-7850K, current motherboard - GA-F2A88XM-DS2.

Please let me know if PSU needs upgrade too.
 
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It's okay.. I've got the answer.



The only help I need now is this - I'm buying i7 4790k and Asus Z97M-PLUS (thought it might be worth to overclock a little. Why not?)
Will this PSU handle it? http://www.fsp-europe.com/professional/fsp700_50arn_88plus.php
It's the current one.

For those who missed other hardware - 16 GB RAM, Asus R9 290x, current CPU - A10-7850K, current motherboard - GA-F2A88XM-DS2.

Please let me know if PSU needs upgrade too.

Yes, but for what its worth, you only need a 550-600W PSU. It may be worth investing in a quality gold rated 550 or 600W PSU instead. 600W will be enough to allow for OC room (which you said you won't be doing). 750W is more for crossfire/SLI purposes. It's probably better to get efficiency if you don't intend on running multiple GPUs.

Seasonic's G series 550W would be my first choice, but there's always the Seasonic made XFX XTR 550W, or the EVGA G2 series (again, gold rated), or the Corsair RM series. Depends entirely on budget.
 
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