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Will I be able to upgrade to ivybridge in my laptop?

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i know in desktops its seems the ivy requirement is z77 although im not 100% sure.

wondering if the same is true on laptops?

i have only had my SB lappy for a few months. would be nice to just upgrade cpu if the price isnt as much as a new laptop.
 
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No. SB laptop chipsets/sockets will not support Ivy.
 
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For a 5-10% bump in CPU power?:banghead:
 
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And why not? :rolleyes: + Ivy will have a lot lower power consumption.
Where are you basing these magic assumptions off of? While the die shrink and 3d transistors do increase performance, the thermal envelope won't recede in laptops. The rule of thumb is that a laptop will always push the thermal envelope, so as to get closer to desktop performance. The effect is having the same thermal envelope, with a 5-10% (numbers based upon transistor count increase) increase in overall capacity.


On topic, when have laptops even been upgradeable? The engineering challenges of fitting everything into such a small profile are huge, let alone making parts interchangeable. I'm still rocking a core 2 quad in a laptop, that suits its purpose well. It doesn't play the latest games, but it can still do 3d rendering and engineering calculations well (despite being 4+ years old). Don't hawk what isn't broken...
 
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Where are you basing these magic assumptions off of? While the die shrink and 3d transistors do increase performance, the thermal envelope won't recede in laptops. The rule of thumb is that a laptop will always push the thermal envelope, so as to get closer to desktop performance. The effect is having the same thermal envelope, with a 5-10% (numbers based upon transistor count increase) increase in overall capacity.


On topic, when have laptops even been upgradeable? The engineering challenges of fitting everything into such a small profile are huge, let alone making parts interchangeable. I'm still rocking a core 2 quad in a laptop, that suits its purpose well. It doesn't play the latest games, but it can still do 3d rendering and engineering calculations well (despite being 4+ years old). Don't hawk what isn't broken...
I couldn't find the article here on techpowerup but I am pretty sure I read an article where even ivy laptop chips had a lower tdp. It was here on techpowerup though.
 

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Where are you basing these magic assumptions off of? While the die shrink and 3d transistors do increase performance, the thermal envelope won't recede in laptops. The rule of thumb is that a laptop will always push the thermal envelope, so as to get closer to desktop performance. The effect is having the same thermal envelope, with a 5-10% (numbers based upon transistor count increase) increase in overall capacity.
There are no magic assumptions there, it is industry standard logic. Yes, Ivy Bridge will still push the thermal envelope, Mobile Sandy Bridge processor go up to 55w. However, there are also 45w, 35w, 25w, and 17w processors. There will be Ivy Bridge processor at 55w as well, but they will perform better than the 55w Sandy Bridge. Likewise there will be 45w, 35w, 25w, and 17w Ivy Bridge processors as well. What does that mean? Well it means you can likely take a 45w Ivy Bridge and replace your 55w Sandy Bridge and get the same or better performance(heck, you might even be able to go to a 35w and get the same performance, we don't know yet). Either way, Ivy Bridge will consume a lot less power when performance is the same, or it will consume the same amount of power with greater performance.

On topic, when have laptops even been upgradeable? The engineering challenges of fitting everything into such a small profile are huge, let alone making parts interchangeable. I'm still rocking a core 2 quad in a laptop, that suits its purpose well. It doesn't play the latest games, but it can still do 3d rendering and engineering calculations well (despite being 4+ years old). Don't hawk what isn't broken...
Laptops have been upgradeable for as long as I can remember, as long as you are willing to take them apart to do it. Over the years the process has been made easier in a lot of models, some only require removing the keyboard. I've got a Pentium III laptop that I upgrade the processor on that I bought in 2001, had a Celeron 900 and I put a Pentium III 1200 in it. And that is a perfect example of what will happen with the Sandy to Ivy transition, the Pentium III actually consumed less power due to a die shirnk, and performed way better. Some processor packages are soldered onto the motherboard and aren't upgradeable, but if you get a socketted one you can upgrade it, and most are socketted at this point.
 
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Where are you basing these magic assumptions off of? While the die shrink and 3d transistors do increase performance, the thermal envelope won't recede in laptops. The rule of thumb is that a laptop will always push the thermal envelope, so as to get closer to desktop performance. The effect is having the same thermal envelope, with a 5-10% (numbers based upon transistor count increase) increase in overall capacity.
The Tri gate transistors do not improve performance (the performance increase comes from more transistors and tweaked/optimized design of the chip). It allows you to run the chip at lower V.
You can forget the rule of thumb here because Intel has no competition on CPU segment and thus does not require to push the TDP to the limit. They will rather have the same performance but push down the power consumption.

And here are my magical sources which contain the magic words and graphs:

Tri-gate explained: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4313/...nm-3d-trigate-transistors-shipping-in-2h-2011

35W Quad: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4773/ivy-bridge-will-bring-a-35w-quadcore-i7

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4764/ivy-bridge-configurable-tdp-detailed

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4378/ivy-bridge-a-tick-with-configurable-tdp

Mobile lineup:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5192/ivy-bridge-mobile-lineup-overview
(Note: the 35W quad is missing from the lineup: explained in the article)

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